posted on July 15, 2004 01:08:46 PM new
Yes, I see a difference alright.
The dems don't want any administration comparisons/policy similarities/disagreements made with the clinton administration but have absolutely NO problem with others bringing up other Republican administrations or now...even things done in President Bush's childhood.
It's funny. I don't think how he treated animals in his childhood will change many voters minds on the current issues.
posted on July 15, 2004 02:54:43 PM new
Lets see...George Bush, President of the US, most powerful man on earth.
Gary Trudeau...second class cartoonist, that couldn't get a "real" job, so he sits around belittling his obviously better classmate.
"The natural family is a man and woman bound in a lifelong covenant of marriage for the purposes of:
*the continuation of the human species,
*the rearing of children,
*the regulation of sexuality,
*the provision of mutual support and protection,
*the creation of an altruistic domestic economy, and
*the maintenance of bonds between the generations."
[ edited by Bear1949 on Jul 15, 2004 02:57 PM ]
posted on July 15, 2004 05:18:21 PM newI don't think how he treated animals in his childhood will change many voters minds on the current issues.
It says a lot about the type of person he is. Funny thing about many neo-cons: sex bothers the hell out of them, but killing or brutality doesn't bother them a bit. Childhood torture or killingof animals is one of the keys profilers look at for serial killers. No, Bush hasn't killed with his own hands, but you can look at his record as governor of Texas regarding the death penalty, as well as statements he made a few years ago about a woman facing the death penalty to see that in other circumstances he could well have.
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posted on July 15, 2004 05:49:10 PM new
lol...right. No, it's only the lefties here who keep saying the righties make everything about sex....when in truth it's almost always brought up here by the left....not those of us on the right.
And on that woman in Texas....if the dems are defending what she did....that's sick. She committed those crimes....not Bush. And it is the people of the state of Texas who have decided on their death penalty laws....not their previous governor.
If anyone deserved the death penalty it was that case.
At least the voters voices in Texas get heard. In CA when we voted in the death penalty.... what happened? The liberals on the courts overruled the voters decision.
Liberals don't listen to what the people want - they have their own agenda. Just like kerry has shown by his previous votes in the Senate...he isn't in touch with the majority of Americans on most of the issues. He's too far left.
posted on July 15, 2004 05:59:24 PM newAnd on that woman in Texas....if the dems are defending what she did....that's sick
No, I (and presumably the democrats) don't defend what she did. SHE didn't defend what she did, never denying her guilt. But I do abhor what Bush did: during an interview he mocked her, clutching his throat and whimpering "please don't kill me."
This is a man who was running for president of the US & calling himself a "compassionate conservative"?!? Just chalk that up as another one of his lies.
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We are not afraid to entrust the American people with unpleasant facts, foreign ideas, alien philosophies, and competitive values. For a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people. -- John F. Kennedy
posted on July 15, 2004 06:13:52 PM new
The bleeding heart liberals wanted liniency for her....she had reformed herself they claimed. And made Gov. Bush into the bad guy. He wasn't....she did the crimes....she deserved to be punished.
But I do find it laughable after all the things the left and some Independents have called this President to be saying HE shouldn't have said something he did.
Like just who's value system is that judgement being made with? The people saying, doing and accusing him of terrible actions - when their behavior is just as bad if not worse. Like that means anything.
posted on July 15, 2004 08:14:48 PM newThe people saying, doing and accusing him of terrible actions - when their behavior is just as bad if not worse.
So tell me, what did Garry Trudeau do that was so bad?
posted on July 15, 2004 10:12:20 PM newshe deserved to be punished.
Yes,she did. But that in no way excuses Bush's behavior in the matter.
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We are not afraid to entrust the American people with unpleasant facts, foreign ideas, alien philosophies, and competitive values. For a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people. -- John F. Kennedy
posted on July 16, 2004 12:23:47 PM new
Re the woman (Karla Faye Tucker)in Texas on death row - Bush acted like a high school freshman in his mimicking of her- bad taste to the max.
However, as Governor he COULD NOT pardon her or reduce her sentence - only delay it by 30 days or so for further judicial review. The courts had reviewed her case to all ends (including a Supreme Court refusal to intervene the day of the execution) so a delay was meaningless.
The fact that she (or any other convict facing death)"found God" is irrelevant to me. Her punishment was for what she had done, pickaxing 2 people to death, not what or who she was - and her "awakening" did not bring her victims back to life.
In this case let's not paint Bush as a monster insensitive to the plight of some innocent - he knew as I do that Religion is the last refuge of scoundrels,salesman, and politicians.
posted on July 16, 2004 12:30:52 PM new
OH BOB YOU DON'T KNOW HOW RIGHT YOU ARE WHEN YOU SAY,
"In this case let's not paint Bush as a monster insensitive to the plight of some innocent - he knew as I do that Religion is the last refuge of scoundrels,salesman, and politicians."
YUP! Bush should know since he found(and talks to) god! And he certainly is a scoundrel , a saleman, and a politician! And it will be his last refuge!
posted on July 16, 2004 12:46:31 PM new12hole is a plagiarizing thief !! He stole Bear's ideas, AND DID PRESENT IT AS HIS OWN, and gave bear no credit !!
I. Bear have previously granted Twelvepole the editorial right to use any and all of my postings as he sees fit, thus absolving him of the accusation of plagiarizing.
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Bob to beg your pardon, Gov Bush could have commuted Karla sentance if recommended by the Texas board of Pardons.
In Karla's case the board did not make the recommendation.
WHAT IS EXECUTIVE CLEMENCY?
Executive Clemency is the power of the Governor to grant a full or conditional pardon, full pardon based on innocence, commutation of sentence, remission of a fine or forfeiture resulting from a criminal conviction, emergency medical reprieve, or 30 day reprieve of execution. In accordance with the Texas Constitution, the Governor may only grant executive clemency upon the recommendation of the Board (with the exception of a reprieve of execution, as described below). The Board is limited to recommending clemency and to setting minimal eligibility requirements for clemency applicants.
WHAT IS A COMMUTATION OF SENTENCE?
Commuting a sentence is changing or reducing the penalty assessed by the court. Under the rules of the Board of Pardons and Paroles, sentence commutations must be supported by a majority of the applicant's trial officials. Even with trial official support, a commutation will only be granted if recommended to the Governor by the Board and if the Governor concurs with the recommendation.
"The natural family is a man and woman bound in a lifelong covenant of marriage for the purposes of:
*the continuation of the human species,
*the rearing of children,
*the regulation of sexuality,
*the provision of mutual support and protection,
*the creation of an altruistic domestic economy, and
*the maintenance of bonds between the generations."
So YOUR point is? what I stated was correct in the situation I referred to - go back to your cut and paste- you won't embarass yourself nearly as much.
