posted on July 17, 2004 09:39:58 PM new
The Democrat's war record evades media scrutiny
Sunday, May 09, 2004
The hypocrisy, double standards and political bias of most in the major news media was evident in the meager coverage given a remarkable press conference held in Washington, D.C., on May 4.
Jack Kelly is national security writer for the Post-Gazette and The Blade of Toledo, Ohio ([email protected], 412-263-1476).
A group calling themselves "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" declared John Kerry to be "unfit to be commander in chief." The group includes 19 of the 23 officers who served in Kerry's swift boat squadron during the time he was in Vietnam, and every officer in his chain of command, up to Rear Adm. Roy Hoffman, who oversaw all swift boats in Vietnam at the time Kerry was there.
Most of their ire was directed at Kerry's false accusation that servicemen routinely committed war crimes. But Kerry's shipmates also accused him of having "withheld and/or distorted material facts as to your own conduct in this war."
Lt. Cmdr. Grant Hibbard, Kerry's immediate superior, said he doubted Kerry deserved the first of the three Purple Hearts he was awarded during his four months in Vietnam:
"The briefing of some members of the crew the morning after revealed that they had not received enemy fire," Hibbard said. "And yet Lt. j.g. Kerry informed me of a wound, he showed me a scratch on his arm and a piece of shrapnel in his hand that appeared to be from one of our own M-79s [grenade launcher]. It was later reported to me that Lt. Kerry had fired an M-79 and it had exploded off the adjacent shoreline."
Hibbard's doubts are shared by Louis Letson, the physician who treated Kerry for his wound at the Cam Ranh Bay medical facility:
"The story he told was different from what his crewmen had to say about that night. According to Kerry, they had been engaged in a fire fight. He said that his injury had resulted from this enemy action.
"Some of his crew confided that they did not receive any fire from shore, but that Kerry had fired a mortar round at close range to some rocks on shore. The crewman thought that the injury was caused by a fragment ricocheting from that mortar round when it struck the rocks. That seemed to fit the injury which I treated."
Customarily, service members are recommended for decorations by their immediate superior. But Hibbard said he didn't recommend Kerry for that Purple Heart, and doesn't know how he got it.
The controversy is important not just because Kerry may have gotten a combat decoration to which he was not entitled, but because he used it (along with his two unchallenged Purple Hearts) to leave Vietnam nearly eight months before the end of his tour. And it may explain why Kerry has been unwilling to disclose his medical records.
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But who can trust the word of those who were there, serving along side kerry, OR his commanding officer....over what kerry wants you to believe.
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"The War on Terror will not be won until America is united. And as long as Democrats target the Bush administration -- not the terrorists -- as the enemy, we are in trouble." --Oliver North
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posted on July 17, 2004 09:45:31 PM new
I just can't believe how some who say they're Americans and then don't "Support Our Troops" !
To try to tear down the record of someone WHO ACTUALLY WAS IN A WAR unlike Bush who was too scared or drunk to go is so UN-AMERICAN I can't believe it.
That's right, belittle the soldiers who fought ....that ought to help the enemy! You traitor!
posted on July 17, 2004 09:53:53 PM new
May 14, 2004
Report: Kerry was Thrown Out of Vietnam
Military Historian John B. Dwyer interviewed Commander Wright, one of Kerry's Commanding Officers on the Swift Boats. His article at The American Thinker is revealing.
Some excerpts :
Thomas Wright was one of John F. Kerry's fellow Swift boat officers in Vietnam. Since Wright outranked Kerry, he was Kerry's sometime boat group Officer-in-Charge, so Wright had occasion to observe Kerry's behavior and attitudes, and the circumstances surrounding his early departure from the war zone. The intervening years have not dimmed his memories.
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boat captains adopted distinctive, often humorous call signs for identification purposes. Eldon Thompson was "Mary Poppins," William Schachte was "Baccardi Charlie," James T. Grace was "Twiggy," and Tom Wright was "Dudley Do-Right." When John Kerry radioed another Swift boat, he used the call sign, "Boston Strangler."
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Working with call sign "Boston Strangler" became problematical. "I had a lot of trouble getting him to follow orders," recalls Wright.
"He had a different view of leadership and operations. Those of us with direct experience working with Kerry found him difficult and oriented towards his personal, rather than unit goals and objectives. I believed that overall responsibility rested squarely on the shoulders of the OIC or OTC in a free-fire zone. You had to be right (before opening fire). Kerry seemed to believe there were no rules in a free-fire zone and you were supposed to kill anyone. I didn't see it that way."
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It got to a point where Wright told his divisional commander he no longer wanted Kerry in his boat group, so he was re-assigned to another one. "I had an idea of his actions but didn't have to be responsible for him."
Then Wright and like-minded boat officers took matters into their own hands. "When he got his third Purple Heart, three of us told him to leave. We knew how the system worked and we didn't want him in Coastal Division 11. Kerry didn't manipulate the system, we did."
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"One thing is for sure: the extremists have faith in our weakness. And the weaker we are, the more they will come after us." --Tony Blair
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"The War on Terror will not be won until America is united. And as long as Democrats target the Bush administration -- not the terrorists -- as the enemy, we are in trouble." --Oliver North
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posted on July 17, 2004 09:57:05 PM new
Helen said on page 1 The terrorists and Osama bin Laden's organization responsible for 9/11 are not located in Iraq.
Wanna bet, then tell me exactly what Abu Zarqawi is doing in Iraq? I suppose he's just in Iraq on a humanitarian mission. Who really knows how long him and his associates have been in Iraq??
Curious though that even Bob9585 realises that it was/is low of Crowfarm to post that the conservatives et al are pleased by the deaths or injuries of US servicemen. and I agree. Only an asss would post just such a thought.
Let me ask you a question Crowfarm, is your first name Cosmo?? That would make you Cosmo Crowfarm.
posted on July 17, 2004 09:58:49 PM new
I just can't believe how some who say they're Americans and then don't "Support Our Troops" !
To try to tear down the record of someone WHO ACTUALLY WAS IN A WAR unlike Bush who was too scared or drunk to go is so UN-AMERICAN I can't believe it.
That's right, belittle the soldiers who fought ....that ought to help the enemy! You traitor!
OH! and Linda, if you're so busy tearing down Kerry where is your "cut and paste" support for Bush's war record?????????????????????????????????????????
WHERE IS IT!
posted on July 17, 2004 10:10:01 PM new
Linda wasn't trying to tear down anyone she only was posting factual information about a "vietnam vet". Now if we could only see the medical records that he so highly protects. Is he hiding something?
I will tell you one thing I am an American and I stand up for my rights. I support the President no matter if a Republican or Democrat. That person is elected and so be it who wins but support has to be given. Or we will be the 3rd world country. Just look around at the people who own the business and you will see a changing face.
Do liberals really see Kerry as the great savior? Do they believe that in 4 years, unless something unforseen happens, he can get everything he wants completed? Remembering he is promising everything but will it happen?
Now I asked the questions first so I don't want any followups until these are answered.
[ edited by Libra63 on Jul 17, 2004 10:13 PM ]
posted on July 17, 2004 10:11:34 PM new
When in doubt blame Linda. Well Helen she didn't bring it up I did and I still believe the physician who treated him.
posted on July 17, 2004 10:29:56 PM new
"YOU'RE COSMO CROWFARM THE ASSMAN"
HEE HEE!Oh, lordy,try and say THAT with a large amount of good Canadian Windsor under your belt!
Hey yellowstoned, don't ya find it hard to type when the chair starts rolling away from the computer?. Gonna have to tie myself in if I wanna tie one on!
Admit it...you've a wee drop or two tonight yourself haven't ya?
OH geez, you weren't SOBER when you wrote that post were you???
Let's get back to Patricia Nixon broodmare to G (the stud) Bush........oh there goes the damn chair again,,...,.,.
[ edited by crowfarm on Jul 17, 2004 10:32 PM ]
[ edited by crowfarm on Jul 17, 2004 10:48 PM ]
posted on July 17, 2004 11:19:02 PM newTo try to tear down the record of someone WHO ACTUALLY WAS IN A WAR unlike Bush who was too scared or drunk to go is so UN-AMERICAN I can't believe it. That's right, belittle the soldiers who fought ....that ought to help the enemy! You traitor!
What do you know of fighting in Vietnam, crowbait? How much time in counrty did you serve. What do you know of supporting American troops. Have you been listening to the resident expert Helen on what bravery in Vietnam was?
The majority of men who served along side kerry will tell you he was no hero. He was a glory seeking dare devil that needlessy endangered those around him. If kerry had been anywhere but on a boat he would have been fragged by his own men for his reckless actions. His grandstanding was his first attempt to further his preplanned political career.
I was in Nam and can tell you kerry is no hero. True heros came home in body bags. The real heros are still MIA. The real hero's are the ones that did their duty, came home & didn't consort and provide comfort to the enemy. A true hero doesn't throw his military record and decorations in everyones face at any opportunity. A true hero doesn't have to endlessly remind people (like kerry does) he was in Vietnam.
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"John Kerry abandoned our husbands, sons, fathers, and brothers in favor of trade and normalization of relations with Vietnam. His actions paved the way for the further abandonment of POWs and MIAs from World War II, the Korean War, and the Cold War.
John Kerry, as chairman of the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs, ordered the destruction of committee documents, blocked avenues of investigation, and misrepresented progress on the POW/MIA issue to justify lifting of the trade embargo against Vietnam."
Its a dam good thing todays American troops aren't like kerry. They are the new true American heros.
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Dear Senator Kerry:
Since it has become clear that you will probably be the Democratic nominee for President, I have spent a great deal of time researching your war record and your record as a professional politician. The reason is simple, you aspire to be the Commander in Chief who would lead my sons and their fellow soldiers in time of war. I simply wanted to know if you possess the necessary qualifications to be trusted in that respect.
You see, I belong to a family of proud U.S. veterans. I was a Captain in the Army Reserve, my father was a decorated Lieutenant in World War II; and I have four sons who have either served, or are currently serving in the military. The oldest is an Army Lieutenant still on active duty in Afghanistan after already being honored for his service in Iraq. The youngest is an E-4 with the military police. His National Guard unit just finished their second tour of active duty, including six months in Guantanamo Bay. My two other sons have served in the national guard and the navy.
* In looking at your record I found myself comparing it not only to that of my father and my sons, but to the people they served with.
My father served with the 87th Chemical Mortar Battalion in Europe. They landed on Utah Beach and fought for 317 straight days including the Cherbourg
Peninsula, Aachen, the Hurtgen Forest, and the Battle of the Bulge.
* You earned a Silver Star in Vietnam for chasing down and finishing off a wounded and retreating enemy soldier.
My father won a Bronze Star for single handedly charging and knocking out a German machine gun nest that had his men pinned down.
* You received three purple hearts for what appears to be three minor scratches. In fact you only missed a combined total of two days of duty for these wounds.
The men of my father's unit, the 87th, had to be admonished by their commanding officer because: "It has been brought to our attention that some men are covering up wounds and refusing medical attention for fear of being evacuated and permanently separated from this organization..." It was also a common problem for seriously wounded soldiers to go AWOL from hospitals in order to rejoin their units.
* You used your three purple hearts to leave Vietnam early.
My oldest boy came home from Iraq with numerous commendations and then proceeded to volunteer to go to Afghanistan and from there back to Iraq again. My sons and father have never had anything but the highest regard and respect for their fellow soldiers.
* Yet, you came home to publicly charge your fellow fighting men with being war criminals and to urge their defeat by the enemy. You even wrote a book that had a cover which mocked the heroism of the U.S. Marines who raised the flag on Iwo Jima.
Our current crop of soldiers has a philosophy that no one gets left behind; and they have practiced that from Somalia to the battlefields of the Middle East.
* Yet, as chairman of a Senate committee looking into allegations that many of your fellow servicemen had been left behind as prisoners in Vietnam, you chose to defend the brutal Vietnamese regime.
* You even went so far as to refer to the families of the POWs and MIAs as Professional malcontents, conspiracy mongers, con artists, and dime-store Rambos.
As a Senator you voted against the 1991 Gulf War, and have repeatedly voted against funds to supply our troops with the best equipment, and against money to improve our intelligence capability. I find this particularly ironic since as a Presidential candidate you are highly critical of our pre-war intelligence in Iraq.
*However, you did vote to authorize the President to go to war, but have since proceeded to do everything you can to undermine the efforts of our government and our troops to win.
Is this what our fighting men and women can expect of you if you are their Commander in Chief? Will you gladly send them to war, only to then aid the enemy by undermining the morale of our troops and cutting off the weapons they need to win?
Our country is at war Senator, and as has been the case in every war since the American Revolution, a member of my family is serving their country during the war. Now you want me to trust you to lead my sons in this fight.
Sorry Senator, but when I compare your record to those who have fought and died for this nation, and are currently fighting and dying, the answer is not just no, but Hell No!
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posted on July 17, 2004 11:40:24 PM new
Swift Boat Quotes about John Kerry
"We resent very deeply the false war crimes charges he made coming back from Vietnam in 1971 and repeated in the book "Tour of Duty." We think those cast an aspersion on all those living and dead, from our unit and other units in Vietnam. We think that he knew he was lying when he made the charges, and we think that they're unsupportable. We intend to bring the truth about that to the American people. We believe, based on our experience with him, that he is totally unfit to be the Commander-in-Chief."
-- John O'Neill, spokesman, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth
"I do not believe John Kerry is fit to be Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces of the United States. This is not a political issue. It is a matter of his judgment, truthfulness, reliability, loyalty and trust -- all absolute tenets of command. His biography, 'Tour of Duty,' by Douglas Brinkley, is replete with gross exaggerations, distortions of fact, contradictions and slanderous lies. His contempt for the military and authority is evident by even a most casual review of this biography. He arrived in-country with a strong anti-Vietnam War bias and a self-serving determination to build a foundation for his political future. He was aggressive, but vain and prone to impulsive judgment, often with disregard for specific tactical assignments. He was a 'loose cannon.' In an abbreviated tour of four months and 12 days, and with his specious medals secure, Lt.(jg) Kerry bugged out and began his infamous betrayal of all United States forces in the Vietnam War. That included our soldiers, our marines, our sailors, our coast guardsmen, our airmen, and our POWs. His leadership within the so-called Vietnam Veterans Against the War and testimony before Congress in 1971 charging us with unspeakable atrocities remain an undocumented but nevertheless meticulous stain on the men and women who honorably stayed the course. Senator Kerry is not fit for command."
-- Rear Admiral Roy Hoffman, USN (retired), chairman, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth
"During Lt.(jg) Kerry's tour, he was under my command for two or three specific operations, before his rapid exit. Trust, loyalty and judgment are the key, operative words. His turncoat performance in 1971 in his grubby shirt and his medal-tossing escapade, coupled with his slanderous lines in the recent book portraying us that served, including all POWs and MIAs, as murderous war criminals, I believe, will have a lasting effect on all military veterans and their families. Kerry would be described as devious, self-absorbing, manipulative, disdain for authority, disruptive, but the most common phrase that you'd hear is 'requires constant supervision.'"
-- Captain Charles Plumly, USN (retired)
"Thirty-five years ago, many of us fell silent when we came back to the stain of sewage that Mr. Kerry had thrown on us, and all of our colleagues who served over there. I don't intend to be silent today or ever again. Our young men and women who are serving deserve no less."
-- Andrew Horne
"In my specific, personal experience in both coastal and river patrols over a 12-month period, I never once saw or heard anything remotely resembling the atrocities described by Senator Kerry. If I had, it would have been my obligation to report them in writing to a higher authority, and I would certainly have done that. If Senator Kerry actually witnessed or participated in these atrocities or, as he described them, 'war crimes,' he was obligated to report them. That he did not until later when it suited his political purposes strikes me as opportunism of the worst kind. That he would malign my service and that of his fellow sailors with no regard for the truth makes him totally unqualified to serve as Commander-in-Chief."
-- Jeffrey Wainscott
"I signed that letter because I, too felt a deep sense of betrayal that someone who took the same oath of loyalty as I did as an officer in the United States Navy would abandon his group here (points to group photo) to join this group here (points to VVAW protest photo), and come home and attempt to rally the American public against the effort that this group was so valiantly pursuing. It is a fact that in the entire Vietnam War we did not lose one major battle. We lost the war at home... and at home, John Kerry was the Field General."
-- Robert Elder
"My daughters and my wife have read portions of the book 'Tour of Duty.' They wanted to know if I took part in the atrocities described. I do not believe the things that are described happened. Let me give you an example. In Brinkley's book, on pages 170 to 171, about something called the 'Bo De massacre' on November 24th of 1968... In Kerry's description of the engagement, first he claimed there were 17 servicemen that were wounded. Three of us were wounded. I was the first..."
-- Joseph Ponder
"While in Cam Rahn Bay, he trained on several 24-hour indoctrination missions, and one special skimmer operation with my most senior and trusted Lieutenant. The briefing from some members of that crew the morning after revealed that they had not received any enemy fire, and yet Lt.(jg) Kerry informed me of a wound -- he showed me a scratch on his arm and a piece of shrapnel in his hand that appeared to be from one of our own M-79s. It was later reported to me that Lt.(jg) Kerry had fired an M-79, and it had exploded off the adjacent shoreline. I do not recall being advised of any medical treatment, and probably said something like 'Forget it.' He later received a Purple Heart for that scratch, and I have no information as to how or whom. Lt.(jg) Kerry was allowed to return to the good old USA after 4 months and a few days in-country, and then he proceeded to betray his former shipmates, calling them criminals who were committing atrocities. Today we are here to tell you that just the opposite is true. Our rules of engagement were quite strict, and the officers and men of Swift often did not even return fire when they were under fire if there was a possibility that innocent people -- fishermen, in a lot of cases -- might be hurt or injured. The rules and the good intentions of the men increased the possibility that we might take friendly casualties."
-- Commander Grant Hibbard, USN (retired)
"Lt. Kerry returned home from the war to make some outrageous statements and allegations... of numerous criminal acts in violation of the law of war were cited by Kerry, disparaging those who had fought with honor in that conflict. Had war crimes been committed by US forces in Vietnam? Yes, but such acts were few and far between. Yet Lt. Kerry have numerous speeches and testimony before Congress inappropriately leading his audiences to believe that what was only an anomaly in the conduct of America's fighting men was an epidemic. Furthermore, he suggested that they were being encouraged to violated the law of war by those within the chain of command. Very specific orders, on file at the Vietnam archives at Texas Tech University, were issued by my father [Admiral Elmo Zumwalt] and others in his chain of command instructing subordinates to act responsibly in preserving the life and property of Vietnamese civilians."
-- Lt. Col. James Zumwalt, USMC (retired)
"We look at Vietnam... after all these years it is still languishing in isolated poverty and helplessness and tyranny. This is John Kerry's legacy. I deeply resent John Kerry's using his Swift boat experience, and his betrayal of those who fought there as a stepping-stone to his political ambitions."
-- Barnard Wolff .
"In a whole year that I spent patrolling, I didn't see anything like a war crime, an atrocity, anything like that. Time and again I saw American fighting men put themselves in graver danger trying to avoid... collateral damage. When John Kerry returned to the country, he was sworn in front of Congress. And then he told my family -- my parents, my sister, my brother, my neighbors -- he told everyone I knew and everyone I'd ever know that I and my comrades had committed unspeakable atrocities."
-- David Wallace
"I served with these guys. I went on missions with them, and these men served honorably. Up and down the chain of command there was no acquiescence to atrocities. It was not condoned, it did not happen, and it was not reported to me verbally or in writing by any of these men including Lt.(jg) Kerry. In 1971, '72, for almost 18 months, he stood before the television audiences and claimed that the 500,000 men and women in Vietnam, and in combat, were all villains -- there were no heroes. In 2004, one hero from the Vietnam War has appeared, running for President of the United States and Commander-in-Chief. It just galls one to think about it."
-- Captain George Elliott, USN (retired)
"During the Vietnam War I was Task Force Commander at An Thoi, and my tour of duty was 13 months, from the end of Tet to the beginning of the Vietnamization of the Navy units. Now when I went there right after Tet, I was restricted in my movements. I couldn't go much of anyplace because the Vietcong controlled most of the area. When I left, I could go anywhere I wanted, just about. Commerce was booming, the buses were running, trucks were going, the waterways were filled with sampans with goods going to market, but yet in Kerry's biography he says that our operations were a complete failure. He also mentions a formal conference with me, to try to get more air cover and so on. That conference never happened..."
-- Captain Adrian Lonsdale, USCG (retired)
"I was in An Thoi from June of '68 to June of '69, covering the whole period that John Kerry was there. I operated in every river, in every canal, and every off-shore patrol area in the 4th Corps area, from Cambodia all the way around to the Bo De River. I never saw, even heard of all of these so-called atrocities and things that we were supposed to have done. This is not true. We're not standing for it. We want to set the record straight."
-- William Shumadine
"In 1971, when John Kerry spoke out to America, labeling all Vietnam veterans as thugs and murderers, I was shocked and almost brought to my knees, because even though I had served at the same time and same unit, I had never witnessed or participated in any of the events that the Senator had accused us of. I strongly believe that the statements made by the Senator were not only false and inaccurate, but extremely harmful to the United States' efforts in Southeast Asia and the rest of the world. Tragically, some veterans, scorned by the antiwar movement and their allies, retreated to a life of despair and suicide. Two of my crewmates were among them. For that there is no forgiveness. "
-- Richard O'Meara
"My name is Steve Gardner. I served in 1966 and 1967 on my first tour of duty in Vietnam on Swift boats, and I did my second tour in '68 and '69, involved with John Kerry in the last 2 1/2 months of my tour. The John Kerry that I know is not the John Kerry that everybody else is portraying. I served alongside him and behind him, five feet away from him in a gun tub, and watched as he made indecisive moves with our boat, put our boats in jeopardy, put our crews in jeopardy... if a man like that can't handle that 6-man crew boat, how can you expect him to be our Commander-in-Chief?"
-- Steven Gardner
"I served in Vietnam as a boat officer from June of 1968 to July of 1969. My service was three months in Coastal Division 13 out of Cat Lo, and nine months with Coastal Division 11 based in An Thoi. John Kerry was in An Thoi the same time I was. I'm here today to express the anger I have harbored for over 33 years, about being accused with my fellow shipmates of war atrocities. All I can say is when I leave here today, I'm going down to the Wall to tell my two crew members it's not true, and that they and the other 49 Swiftees who are on the Wall were then and are still now the best."
-- Robert Brant
"I never saw, heard of, or participated in any Swift boat crews killing cattle, poisoning crops, or raping and killing civilians as charged by John Kerry, both in his book and in public statements. Since we both operated at the same time, in the same general area, and on the same missions under the same commanders, it is hard to believe his claims of atrocities and poor planning of Sea Lord missions. I signed this letter because I feel that he used Swift boat sailors to proclaim his antiwar statements after the war, and now he uses the same Swift boat sailors to support his claims of being a war hero. He cannot have it both ways, and we are here to ask for full disclosure of the proof of his claims."
-- James Steffesg
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"One thing is for sure: the extremists have faith in our weakness. And the weaker we are, the more they will come after us." --Tony Blair
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"The War on Terror will not be won until America is united. And as long as Democrats target the Bush administration -- not the terrorists -- as the enemy, we are in trouble." --Oliver North
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posted on July 18, 2004 05:38:07 AM new
What TRAITORS to the country Bear and Linda are for trying to besmirch the reputation of someone who actually went and fought for our country.
That's how much they REALLY appreciate and support our troops!
So we have "witnesses" on both sides. I wonder which side shows the comments collected by the "private detective" hired by a rich Republican contributor?
Sorry, you two slanderous traitors, but again, John Kerry had the Patriotism and backbone to go and fight.
WHERE WAS BUSH?
He was AIDING the ENEMY by staying home and NOT fighting....HOW can you DEFEND THAT?
In your blind hate YOU support a TRAITOR, a COWARD, A DRUNK, an INCOMPETANT, a CHEAT!
posted on July 18, 2004 05:44:38 AM new
BDS nothing more... you have BDS crowfarm...
Kerry is a loser... had to marry money to get anywhere, is not a "hero" by any stretch of the imagination.... Bush was right here at home honing his skills to be a great leader of this country, not some " I volunteered" and then comes home like a true traitor and defiles those that gave their all there...
Kerry was a traitor to his unit, the Navy and his country... I would expect nothing less from him in the future when things get tough...
His catering to the UN is enough for any true American not to vote to him, don't need any other reason than that.
posted on July 18, 2004 05:54:58 AM new
Smear Boat Veterans for Bush
The authors of this smear effort, posted by lindak, against Kerry, identified here as "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth are actually known as the Smear Boat Veterans for Bush. These "swift boat" veterans attacking John Kerry's war record are led by veteran right-wing operatives using the same vicious techniques they used against John McCain four years ago.
Arguments about the war in Vietnam seem destined to continue forever. For now, however, the lingering bitterness and ambiguity of those days provide smear material against an antiwar war hero with five medals on behalf of a privileged Guardsman with a dubious duty record. The president's Texas allies -- whose animus against his Democratic challenger dates back to the Nixon era -- are now deploying the same techniques and personnel they used to attack McCain's integrity four years ago. Bush's "independent" supporters would apparently rather talk about the Vietnam quagmire than about his deadly incompetence in Iraq.
posted on July 18, 2004 08:34:52 AM new
The right keep saying military experience and political experience is not important when selecting a candidate for President.
Perhaps we should just let Fox do a reality show and let the American people pick our next President from the blue collar working people of this country. If that doesn't suit them perhaps we have an election between Michael Jackson, Brittney Spears, Roger Clemens, Joe Montana, or Bill Murray.
I am sure any of the above people could do just as good of a job as Bush has done during the past three years.
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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posted on July 18, 2004 08:40:01 AM new
These groups are people who want their voices heard in regards to just why they believe kerry should NOT be the Commander-in-Chief of Nation.
The voices of those who have served this country, and their families, should be equally heard before the November elections.
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"One thing is for sure: the extremists have faith in our weakness. And the weaker we are, the more they will come after us." --Tony Blair
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"The War on Terror will not be won until America is united. And as long as Democrats target the Bush administration -- not the terrorists -- as the enemy, we are in trouble." --Oliver North
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posted on July 18, 2004 09:03:31 AM new
It's a contemptible, unpatriotic and anti-American act to attempt to smear a good American Veteran's distinguished military record. Political differences should not lead anyone to such dishonorable indignity.
With a candidate such as Bush without military distinction of any kind it's suprising that you pursue this avenue of smear attack. It must be embarrassing to be left with only this embarrassing stretch.
posted on July 18, 2004 09:04:20 AM new
Crowfarm you will never outsmart Linda or 12
They are way out of your league.
You can come back with any of your dumb statements but Linda and 12 will respond with factual information.
You can use all the bad language but Linda and 12 will still respond with factual information and in a manor becoming a republican. 12 might get a little testy but being a male he can get by with it. Linda will stay calm and respond in her usual manor with factual statements...You seem to call her every possible name to get her riled up, but then again Linda as a lady, she will respond with factual information.
posted on July 18, 2004 09:16:32 AM new
Linda says,"These groups are people who want their voices heard in regards to just why they believe kerry should NOT be the Commander-in-Chief of Nation. "
Maybe they should quit slandering a WAR VETERAN and start researching just why Bush, the NON-WAR veteran, SHOULD be the "commander-in-chief" !
No, they won't because it's so much easier to tear apart Kerry, A WAR VETERAN, than find anything good about Bush!
Oh, that's right, bush was busy during the war...."honing his skills".
posted on July 18, 2004 09:54:39 AM new
My new SIL (new son in law that is ) RE ENLISTED in the Reserves. I asked him why, after doing his 6 years, he said he wanted to go to Iraq, his brother is there, and he said he felt it the right thing to do.
My brother ENLISTED for Vietnam AFTER they stopped the draft, now go figure that one.
Ok I'm gone, Sunday and all, I'm going out, plus I'm gonna get smacked again
posted on July 18, 2004 10:32:27 AM new
Linda K- you don't know who I am, or what I have done in my life. For your information, I served at NAS Jacksonville for 4 years. I have every right to speak out against our government and our President, whether I served in the military or not. You have alot of nerve to attempt to criticize someone when you have no ground to stand on.
posted on July 18, 2004 10:36:10 AM new
So, is Iran next? Is that where Bush plans on taking us? While concentrating so much on Iraq when it has been shown that they didn't act with bin Laden this is what is now revealed:
It's funny that "following the events of Sept. 11, American and Iranian interests found much in common. Iran immediately denounced the attacks in New York and Washington and offered to assist in the rescue of downed American pilots." - from an article written in 2002 (http://www.cdi.org/terrorism/menukes.cfm)
So, maybe there will be another war for the neocon cheerleading squad. I'm sure Bush will jump right on it. Then Iraq can be left in the same shambled mess that Afghanistan is in.
posted on July 18, 2004 10:47:21 AM new
Oh and Linda, I wanted to let you know: I am probably old-fashioned like Libra, that we should at least respect the office of the presidency regardless of who is holding it. So I dont think I have said anything too insulting other than georgie-boy. But I do have a hard time with GWB because I feel the office is supposed to look out for the interests of ALL Americans, not just the wealthy. I have a sneaking suspicion he and Chaney do not particularly care about the middle class very much. And I question his sincerity on values, which has alot of middle class christians kinda snowed in relation to his policies. But I am still open to 'he might' have room for growth. The funny thing is as well off as they were...I didnt have the same trouble believing in his mother's and father's sincerity, at least at that time. (And its worth mentioningthat I do not feel much different about Kerry at this point either.) But that is probably just me. How and where I grew up, I dont trust any of them. (Maybe that is a shame for me, though? )
- A man of great position should do great things and have a hard conscience.
jmo!
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[ edited by neroter12 on Jul 18, 2004 10:52 AM ]
) RE ENLISTED in the Reserves. I asked him why, after doing his 6 years, he said he wanted to go to Iraq, his brother is there, and he said he felt it the right thing to do.