posted on July 23, 2004 07:07:39 PM new
Kraft, secular just means non religious. Although it could have a connotation for "not sacred", if that is what bothers you?
I dont think you really get to see the view from a christian's stand point. Where as many christians have seen it from the non-christian place where you might be at. I may be wrong, but I think that is what CC meant by secular.
Bunni, many christians or other religious groups think doing something kind or giving is God inspired - not humanly motivated. I could see why you felt annoyed at his amazement, but they do believe God moves them in all things. ::shrug::
posted on July 23, 2004 07:36:20 PM new
You make good points Nero and I understand what you're saying. Secular, to me, means non-spiritual. If a person says they have to conform to a non-secular group, which ChristianCoffee has know way of knowing, just to be able to communicate with them, it makes me wonder what he's talking about. If I went to A Christian board, would I have to talk Jesus language to be understood?
posted on July 24, 2004 01:47:12 AM new
I agree with logan and his statement on the marriage license being a piece of paper. I know a gay man who also considers himself to be married, (here in Michigan).
Marriage is a relationship based on love, devotion, trust, and commitment. It is a mind set and NOT a piece of paper. The piece of paper is what grants the benefits of being married, primarily monetary.
Let's take the example of John and Mary. A young couple who got married in the traditional manner in a ceremony in a church.
In the first few years of the marriage, things went well, then John started to cheat on his wife. He became a heavy drinker and often emotionally and physically abused Mary. They have a traditional marriage, right? {B}WRONG!{/B}
There is no love, trust, devotion or commitment in their relationship. But they are married and they support the societal role of the traditional couple, no matter how rotten their life and the marriage is. So you see, the idea of marriage is about the things that I sited and not about the sex of both parties. It seems that the majority of the American population is ignorant to that simple idea.
About so called Christians. I wouldn't give you a buck for 100 of them. They are the MOST self centered, pushy, controlling, intrusive group in existence. You are OK if you see things their way, but are on a one way train to hell if you don't. If you don't believe me, then ask one.
The only christians that I like are the Amish. They keep their nose in their own business!
True Americans do not exclude anybody. They recognize that everyone should have the same rights. Bigotry, intolerance and hatred are cancers of the mind.
posted on July 24, 2004 05:31:11 AM new
There is no love, trust, devotion or commitment in their relationship. But they are married and they support the societal role of the traditional couple, no matter how rotten their life and the marriage is. So you see, the idea of marriage is about the things that I sited and not about the sex of both parties. It seems that the majority of the American population is ignorant to that simple idea.
Forty years ago divorce was a no-no in the Catholic Church and heavily frowned upon. That is until the divorce lawyers came up with the quickie no fault divorce. I guess the lawyers cared more about making a buck, but then again isn't that what our society is based upon these days.
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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posted on July 24, 2004 05:34:07 AM new
Hey the lets charge homosexuals $50,000 for a marriage license... make it an add on sort of like a deer stamp or trout stamp... I could probably live with that knowing that city govts would be getting out of debt....
posted on July 24, 2004 10:29:08 AM newHey the lets charge homosexuals $50,000 for a marriage license... make it an add on sort of like a deer stamp or trout stamp... I could probably live with that knowing that city govts would be getting out of debt....
Hey Forest....
Why dont we charge stupid breeder couples that want to get divorced a $1 million dollars? Maybe then they will not get married the next day after meeting someone in a brothel. Maybe then they will learn they should stay together for the sake of the children and it will help society instead of leading to the destruction of family values. This way Bush can continue his stupid war for another 4 years without causing the national debt to qaudruple.
Why charge woman that want an abortion $50,000? This way they will think twice about having kids they will not be able to raise. The money that is raised could go to education and help those struggling kids in school get a better education. Perahps this is another way for Bush to fund his No Child Left Behind Act.
Better yet Forest, if you feel your idea is so great why don't you write your congressmen so they can propose amending the constitution to add a cost to marriage liceneses.
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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All Things Just Keep Getting Better
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We the people, in order to form a more perfect Union....
.....one Nation indivisible, With Liberty and Justice for ALL.
[ edited by logansdad on Jul 24, 2004 01:29 PM ]
[ edited by logansdad on Jul 25, 2004 07:12 AM ]
posted on July 24, 2004 02:38:39 PM new
LoL Kraft, I bet if you did go to a christian board and didnt throw around a couple of amens or be blessed, or didnt know current christian music, you'd be looked at a little strangely. So maybe there is a difference? And then the question becomes, why would a Christian want to hang on a board that 70% isnt christian? I dont know!
posted on July 24, 2004 08:21:51 PM new
Here's an idea.
We could pay off the national debt of this country if a certain person on this board was forced to pay a dime for every stupid comment he made.
True Americans do not exclude anybody. They recognize that everyone should have the same rights. Bigotry, intolerance and hatred are cancers of the mind.
posted on July 24, 2004 08:45:06 PM new
Nero, I'd probably be kicked off a Christian board! I find if you're not receptive to listening about what they think the Bible says, they're not interested.
posted on July 24, 2004 08:59:04 PM newbreader couples
What's a "breader couple"? A couple that makes bread?
So what kind of bread? Wheat, Rye? Sourdough?...
I am just going to see where this new bill goes... I think the senate will pass it, as it will squelch this issue an let the states "handle it" as what the homosexual community had wanted...
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
Homosexuality is a choice that can be corrected...
posted on July 24, 2004 09:24:01 PM new
No, it's Jewish Rye!
True Americans do not exclude anybody. They recognize that everyone should have the same rights. Bigotry, intolerance and hatred are cancers of the mind.
Do you know the difference on how to tell when you hurt the feelings of a man and a woman. This is true and no joke.
The difference is, when you hurt the feelings of a woman, she cries. When you hurt the feelings of a man, he becomes angry at you.
You seem to be so competitive and angry at logan. Did he do something to hurt your feelings?
True Americans do not exclude anybody. They recognize that everyone should have the same rights. Bigotry, intolerance and hatred are cancers of the mind.
posted on July 24, 2004 10:08:25 PM new
Not at all, I just plain do not think homosexuality should be accepted anymore than child molestation or other deviant behaviors...
Why is that so hard for you to understand... that homosexuality is wrong and it was not the correct choice in their life to make.
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
Homosexuality is a choice that can be corrected...
posted on July 24, 2004 10:53:38 PM new
The fact is that it is NOT a choice and that gay people are wired that way. Just as some people are right handed and some are left handed. Its just that way. That's all.
Also, how do you know what is a good choice for another person to make on any issue? Who makes the standard of choice, please don't say society, in the fact that society also has gay men and women. If you do, they you are deomstrating that the majority should contain and control the minority. Even though it doesn't affect the majority.
Also, every country has gay men and women, including countries like Iraq. Of course, in these countries you would NEVER see anyone demanding gay rights. They would be jailed and then executed. However, there are still gay people there. This should show you that even though the penalty for being homosexual is death, there still are gays. So, with this in mind, it should very easily show you that being gay is NOT a choice.
Personally, I don't think when a person is gay he/she has made a choice. I have a gay friend who says that he HATES being gay.
Also, have you ever been paralized? If you haven't, please don't make statement about that subect. On a comparitive note, if you aren't gay, then don't make statements about that either. Nobody can make true statements about anything unless they have experienced it. I state this in the fact you say being gay is a choice. Do you really even know one gay person?
True Americans do not exclude anybody. They recognize that everyone should have the same rights. Bigotry, intolerance and hatred are cancers of the mind.
posted on July 25, 2004 08:30:58 AM new
And I'll bite... who is Pat?
Go do your own homework
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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