posted on August 26, 2004 01:41:42 PM new
Libera63, It sounds like you are riding the fence. On one hand its O.K. for gay unions but not O.K. for gay marriage. Why not be 100% one way or the other that is the issue. If you are voting for Bush than you are telling the gays well I'm kinda for you but not all the way. Bush is the only candidate that wants to change the Constitution to make Federal laws against the gays to marriage.
My views are, this is the same kind of issue republicans brought up a few years ago. Remember the marriage of blacks and whites issue. I guess they called it racially mixed marriages back then. I heard the same religious right crap back then as I am hearing now. My Grandfather told me he remembered when up north the guys in white hoods (for religious reasons) were burning crosses against Catholics and Jews. To me all this crap about gay marriage is just another WEDGE ISSUE the republicans and the religious right is using to divide and conquer all the people of this great country. If gays marry and have a happy marriage I am happy for them and it does not bother me one bit. I am hoping by the time the election comes you will just stop and think real hard about who you vote for. That's all anyone can ask.
posted on August 26, 2004 01:49:11 PM new
Libra, in your opinion what is the difference betwen "gay marriage and gay union"
I am not trying to turn this in to another big debate, but I would like to know why you favor one but not the other. Is it because "marriage" is a religious ceremony while "union" is the "civil (non-religious)" ceremony?
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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posted on August 26, 2004 05:14:08 PM newLibera63, It sounds like you are riding the fence. On one hand its O.K. for gay unions but not O.K. for gay marriage. Why not be 100% one way or the other that is the issue.
bigpeepa, you must be dense. This is the exact same thing YOUR CANDIDATE says on this issue and on abortion!!! What is the difference here? He's catholic, he cannot come out and say he personally is for this!
He can only say he believes in seperation of Church and State and he will govern for all the people.
Logans, I tried to talk to you with honest feelings about this before. I cant speak for Libra, but I will say again from my pov, I think the concept of giving the term "marriage" to gay unions... corrupts it, that very word, "marriage" as they know it becomes now corrupt to them (straights). I wonder if you understand that? Probably not because you see through different eyes. Personally I am almost at such an indifference to the issue that now I take the comedic line, if they want to experience the hell life of being married, let them.
And before the three blind mice come in with their adolescent teenage twisters, I will state unequivocally I have nothing against gay people. But I dont like butch bullies in any shape, way, or form and I've been around enough to know when I'm being butch-rolled. I dont like it. Never did, and never will. I am one person who is very seldom at a loss for being charitable, cordial or kind to anyone, but I dont go for people who's constant is that of being uncharitable to everyone else, and expect graciousness in return.
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posted on August 26, 2004 06:07:52 PM new
Neroter: I think the concept of giving the term "marriage" to gay unions... corrupts it, that very word, "marriage" as they know it becomes now corrupt to them (straights).
Let me know if I missed your point here. You are against "gay marriages" because of the wording because you feel "marriage" is between a man and a woman? Does this mean you are also against the act of two people of the same sex being "joined together" for a lifelong commitment?
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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We the people, in order to form a more perfect Union....
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posted on August 26, 2004 06:35:39 PM new
No offense to logansdad or anybody else. I personally don't have a problem with gay marriage. But I really have to wonder how truly important this issue is to the majority of American voters. I bet even if they have strong feelings, in a presidential decision, most won't vote the issue. I wouldn't.
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posted on August 26, 2004 06:55:30 PM new
Bigpeepa, logansdad, I really can't come up with an answer. I had no problems with the black and white issue, because living in the north we saw no segregation. I feel, and maybe it is my religion, that Marriage is for male and female. Marriage produces children of that marriage, Not adopted children, but children of the male and female. I guess you could say blood lines and that means a lot to me. I know the gay and lesbian community want to share their significant other with their lives, they want equal rights, i.e. health insurance but does the employer of one of the partners want to give it to them. I think that is one consideration we have to give to the corporations and something that is to be considered. Do you agree? Will the corporation that doesn't want this drop the insurance for everyone... Many things to be considered before we jump into the fire. It should not be decided overnight. Well that is about all I can think of and as I said I have many gay friends and it doesn't bother me at all except what I stated.
posted on August 26, 2004 06:58:45 PM new
What really bothered me was Rosie O'Donnell and her significant other traveled to California for their "Marriage" just to defy Bush and that is not what this is about. It is about two people who love each other. We have to do it right or not at all.
posted on August 26, 2004 07:08:37 PM new
NEROTER12, John Kerry will not change our Constitution to make Federal laws against gay marriage. ONCE AGAIN NEROTER12. ONLY BUSH WANTS TO CHANGE OUR CONSTITUTION TO MAKE FEDERAL LAWS AGAINST GAY MARRIAGE. That is the truth and my bottom line and my last words to you on this post.
DEMOCRATS WE ARE WINNING!!! I STARTED THIS POST BY ASKING ALL DEMOCRATS TO WORK HARD TO DEFEAT BUSH IN NOVEMBER. THAT IS MY ISSUE AND I REFUSE TO ANSWER ANY MORE REPUBLICANS THAT ARE TRYING TO DEFLECT THIS ISSUE.
posted on August 26, 2004 07:48:49 PM new
Quote:" DEMOCRARS WE ARE WINNING BUT NEED TO WORK HARD"
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I thought that's why the 'Democrars' loved unions so much, so they wouldn't have to work hard.
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posted on August 26, 2004 09:59:03 PM newI thought that's why the 'Democrars' loved unions so much, so they wouldn't have to work hard.
Since there's no smiley attached, I'll assume you're serious. Wrong again. I'm a Democrat, and I don't "love unions". Then again, I don't hate them either.
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posted on August 26, 2004 11:47:10 PM new
Libra says, "Marriage produces children of that marriage, Not adopted children, but children of the male and female. I guess you could say blood lines and that means a lot to me."
You mean like dogs, horses,and prize cattle?
Oh, and , by the way, not all women are breeders but we feel free to marry ANYWAY!
posted on August 27, 2004 03:22:24 AM new
etexbill, DEMOCRATS WE ARE WINNING!!! I STARTED THIS POST BY ASKING ALL DEMOCRATS TO WORK HARD TO DEFEAT BUSH IN NOVEMBER. THAT IS MY ISSUE AND I REFUSE TO ANSWER ANY MORE REPUBLICANS THAT ARE TRYING TO DEFLECT THIS ISSUE.
posted on August 27, 2004 07:01:23 AM new
peepa is having a senior moment... he can't answer the questions, jut like kerry he has no answers, just accusations and BS
posted on August 27, 2004 07:15:07 AM new
All well and good bigpeepa: Follow your own advice. Why did you come into my post on another thread with a statement that had nothing to do with the subject of my post!!
What works for one should work for all.
posted on August 27, 2004 07:30:11 AM new
Libra63: I agree with you nearly all the time, but I want to comment on one of your statements. "Living in the north we saw no segregation". On the contrary, from my experience, parts of the north were much more segregated than the south. In the middle sixties, I was transferred from Texas to Newark, New Jersey to manage a warehouse there. The first day, I went across the street to a restaurant and bar to eat lunch. When I returned to the warehouse, the employees told me not to go back to that place because it wasn't for my race (white). In trying to find housing, I saw more discrimination in Newark than I ever saw in Texas. By that time, the schools where I lived in Texas were fully integrated. Not so, the schools in New Jersey. The north was as segregated or more so than the south.
posted on August 27, 2004 10:03:05 PM new
[I]You are against "gay marriages" because of the wording because you feel "marriage" is between a man and a woman? Does this mean you are also against the act of two people of the same sex being "joined together" for a lifelong commitment? {/I]
I am not against gay marriage, logans. That was an attempt to explain the way I see how many straights feel about it. When a word for centuries has clearly meant, man and woman joined together and you want to change the meaning of that word, it no longer has the substance it one did.
What is the benefit to straights in accepting this? Nothing, right? So why should they even want to accept the change of a meaning of a word that many base their whole idea of our society's culture on?
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