posted on August 31, 2004 03:09:43 PM new
testing to post a picture lemme see if it works!
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posted on August 31, 2004 05:08:15 PM new
If this had the promise some believe it has....private industry would be working feverishly away so they could make all that money from providing what many need.
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President Bush's 2001 statements on stem cell research:
As a result of private research, more than 60 genetically diverse stem cell lines already exist. They were created from embryos that have already been destroyed, and they have the ability to regenerate themselves indefinitely, creating ongoing opportunities for research. I have concluded that we should allow federal funds to be used for research on these existing stem cell lines, where the life and death decision has already been made.
Leading scientists tell me research on these 60 lines has great promise that could lead to breakthrough therapies and cures. This allows us to explore the promise and potential of stem cell research without crossing a fundamental moral line, by providing taxpayer funding that would sanction or encourage further destruction of human embryos that have at least the potential for life.
I also believe that great scientific progress can be made through aggressive federal funding of research on umbilical cord placenta, adult and animal stem cells which do not involve the same moral dilemma. This year, your government will spend $250 million on this important research.
I will also name a President's council to monitor stem cell research, to recommend appropriate guidelines and regulations, and to consider all of the medical and ethical ramifications of biomedical innovation. This council will consist of leading scientists, doctors, ethicists, lawyers, theologians and others, and will be chaired by Dr. Leon Kass, a leading biomedical ethicist from the University of Chicago. This council will keep us apprised of new developments and give our nation a forum to continue to discuss and evaluate these important issues. As we go forward, I hope we will always be guided by both intellect and heart, by both our capabilities and our conscience.
I have made this decision with great care, and I pray it is the right one.
Thank you for listening. Good night, and God bless America.
[ edited by Linda_K on Aug 31, 2004 05:11 PM ]
posted on August 31, 2004 11:13:09 PM new
Isn't funny that I've had two death threats, one threat to mess with my auctions and one charming ding-a-ling wishing I'd break my leg......all this from those charming neocon Republicans....
and these violent neanderthals are what we want running our country?????
They are such flip-floppers!
They're against abortion , but are for war, torture and and killing anyone who disagrees with them.
posted on August 31, 2004 11:13:51 PM new
Isn't funny that I've had two death threats, one threat to mess with my auctions and one charming ding-a-ling wishing I'd break my leg......all this from those charming neocon Republicans....
and these violent neanderthals are what we want running our country?????
They are such flip-floppers!
They're against abortion , but are for war, torture and and killing anyone who disagrees with them.
posted on August 31, 2004 11:35:06 PM new
bunni-here is information on Stem Cell
In an exclusive interview from his vacation home in Crawford, Texas, Bush told ABCNEWS' Claire Shipman, "I made the decision I thought was the right decision.
"And that's what a president does," Bush continued. "He makes tough decisions. At least a good president makes tough decisions."
By letting federal funds be used for research on existing lines of stem cells — which were derived from human embryos that already have been destroyed — Bush said he has "laid the framework" to "find out whether or not embryonic stem-cell research will yield treatment and cure."
But asked whether his decision to allow any such research effectively condoned the destruction of embryos, Bush said, "Not at all."
"I don't think that. Otherwise, I would not have gone forward with the decision," Bush said. "I know the life-and-death decision has been made. The fundamental question is, Are we going to destroy more embryos as we go into the future? And my answer to that is, We shouldn't."
'A Moral Decision'
Bush insisted that he'd "absolutely" kept his campaign promise to oppose government funding for research that involves destroying living human embryos.
"I think a president ought to stick to principle," Bush said. "And the statement I made during the campaign which is consistent with my decision was based upon principle."
The decision, he said, "was not a political decision," but "a very moral decision … I think this is the kind of decision where it does require prayer. Prayerful consideration. And I'm very comfortable with the decision I made."
His belief that life begins at conception influenced his decision, he said, "and the truth of the matter is, if you really think it through, you know that's a decision that only the Great Creator could come and explain to us. Or an answer the Great Creator could explain to us."
posted on September 1, 2004 06:22:20 AM new
posted on August 31, 2004 11:54:09 PM
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Ya, and he also believes it's lots of fun to sentence people, guilty or innocent, to death.
He REALLY respects life and his use of god to back him up is insulting to god.
First off, crowfarm, President Bush, when he was Governor of Texas, NEVER decided if anyone was guilty or innocent. He never sat on a jury, he never tried a case, nothing. Heck, he couldn't even MAKE a law: it takes state legislation to do that. And if you are referring to the face he would not "call in a stay of execution", why don't you research that fact a little with ALL Governors in all states where there has been/is a death penalty. I do believe it is less then 5% of all executions received a stay or were commuted to life imprisonment.
Second, with your view of God, I find it comical that you would even opinion-ate that President Bush's stand for life would be an insult to God. An opinionation like this has little or no sanding with most sensible people.
I agree with President Bush's view on stem cell research. i don't think we need to kill any more babies to cultivate stem cells. I believe we should continue using adult stem cells as well. As Dr. James Dobson pointed out in June of this year:
"Contrary to ongoing research with adult stem cells, which do not cause death and are supported by President Bush and unimpeded federal funds, not one human being is being treated with embryonic stem cells anywhere in the world. No clinical trials are in progress using this approach. No studies with human embryonic stem cells are even being contemplated. None! And why not? Because these cells are unpredictable and tend to create tumors in animals being treated with them."
Cheapening life is not a way to prolong it. it is amazing what abortion on demand has come to: now, human life is so cheap that some people will kill any human to try to further their cause. If we "need" these stem cells, then we should use what we have. Not kill to get more of them.
In Christ,
Rick
Philippians 3:7-9
"I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: "I'm ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I do not accept His claim to be God." That is one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic....or else he would be the devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to."
C.S. Lewis: "Mere Christianity"
posted on September 1, 2004 06:38:19 AM new
Anyone interested in telling all of us just how much the clinton administration allocated for stem cell research in his 8 years?
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"The War on Terror will not be won until America is united. And as long as Democrats target the Bush administration -- not the terrorists -- as the enemy, we are in trouble." --Oliver North
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Those are only two reasons why we need to:
posted on September 1, 2004 08:25:52 AM new
I hate to point it out, but you are wrong again, crowfarm.
Previous administrations set precedents: they show what direction they want the country to go. It's just like looking at someone's voting record in congress (or the Senate, in John Kerry's case): if you vote for/against something often enough, you can set up enough roadblocks to prevent, or at least make it very difficult, for the next guy to institute changes.
What Clinton did or didn't do has a lot to do with "moving foreword now". You cannot move foreword if things are not set up in the past. To make effective change, not only does an individual (or nation) want to effect the change, but they have to have the "machinery" in motion to do it. You also have to have the courage to change: which President Bush happens to have. No matter what you think of him, you pretty well know where he stands on issues.
And using your constant personal attacks when you cannot give proper answers shows how misinformed you really are on some things.
In Christ,
Rick
John 5:24
"I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: "I'm ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I do not accept His claim to be God." That is one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic....or else he would be the devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to."
C.S. Lewis: "Mere Christianity"
posted on September 2, 2004 03:18:27 AM new
I don't understand why the bible thumpers are so against using stem cell research to bring forth a break though in medical science to help people live a better life. It's like they believe, let's not do anything to progress in the medical field, and let's let them suffer until their last breath. Now, does that make any sense? These same people that are against stem cell research are now benefiting from research that was considered immoral and unethical 50 years ago.
Of course, whatever Bush wants, the bible thumpers want, and whatever that bible thumpers want, bush wants. A matched pair.
Bigots are miserable people. Prevent Bigotry through Education.
posted on September 2, 2004 07:43:48 AM new
Bible thumper-What does that mean?
If that means going to church than JK does it. He also takes communion.
No how much has JK promised for Stem Cell reasearch? He doesn't even talk about it so go ahead a vote for him. It is a free country. Nobody is holding a gun to your head to vote for Bush.
posted on September 2, 2004 08:06:27 AM new
Stem cell research on what they already have is fine, there is nothing we can do about it, so we may as well use it.
However, to fund stem cell research in such a way that the unborn will be murdered, that is wrong.
Oh yes, I almost forgot: the unborn are not people, so we can abort (murder) them anytime we want.
In Christ,
Rick
Psalm 139
"I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: "I'm ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I do not accept His claim to be God." That is one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic....or else he would be the devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to."
C.S. Lewis: "Mere Christianity"
posted on September 2, 2004 08:09:23 AM new
I don't care if JK or GW goes to church once a day or once a year. Neither one should use the office to push religion down the throats of the public. Bush is a bible thumper. He tries to garner the religious right vote by promising them what they want. He has close ties to them.
From dictionary.com
Bible thumper
n. Offensive
Used as a disparaging term for a Christian, especially a fundamentalist or evangelical Christian, considered to be overly zealous in haranguing or censuring others.
It might be an offensive term to some, but I really don't care. It seems Bush, the King of bible thumpers doesn't care who he offends.
Since the bible has so many interpretations to every one reading it, it has no concrete meaning. This passage means blah, blah, blah, and the next person say it means, this that, and the other thing. Makes no real sense. Now, on a very simple example, we can both read a speed limit sign and know exactly what it means. Pretty easy to understand the difference in interpretation.
Bigots are miserable people. Prevent Bigotry through Education.
posted on September 2, 2004 08:16:19 AM new
Sad you think that, yeager. So, since you would prefer to insult people who believe that the Bible is the truth (of which there is plenty of evidence to support what I have just stated), then I guess you need to look to your signature line. Here, I will copy and paste it for you:
Bigots are miserable people. Prevent Bigotry through Education.
Seems to me you are behaving like a bigot, yeager.
In Christ,
Rick
Philippians 4:4-7
"I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: "I'm ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I do not accept His claim to be God." That is one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic....or else he would be the devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to."
C.S. Lewis: "Mere Christianity"
posted on September 2, 2004 08:29:28 AM new
It seems like most every Monday we read in the paper about JK going to some obscure Catholic Church and takes communion. So who is the "Bible Thumper"?
posted on September 2, 2004 08:40:43 AM new
Libra, Senator Kerry has to keep up appearances, doesn't he? At least when President Bush says he believes in the Bible, there is truth to that. Senator Kerry has a habit of saying/doing one thing, and then saying/doing the opposite. whatever it is to suit his needs.
In Christ,
Rick
Psalm 19:13
"I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: "I'm ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I do not accept His claim to be God." That is one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic....or else he would be the devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to."
C.S. Lewis: "Mere Christianity"
Tell me if you will. What written material did people use for religious guidance before the printing of the bible? They used nothing, isn't that correct. There were religions long before the bible came along. Right?
Bigots are miserable people. Prevent Bigotry through Education.
posted on September 2, 2004 11:24:03 AM new
"Christian" says, "At least when President Bush says he believes in the Bible, there is truth to that. Senator Kerry has a habit of saying/doing one thing, and then saying/doing the opposite. whatever it is to suit his needs. "
Bush first said we could win the war on terror , then he said we couldn't, then he said we could.
He first was against the 9/11 commission and then he was for it!
He was for "No Child Left Behind" and then he was against funding it.
He was for the Homeland Security act and then against it.
He's for cleaner air and water but lowers pollution standards!!!
posted on September 2, 2004 11:32:46 AM new
Libra says, "It seems like most every Monday we read in the paper about JK going to some obscure Catholic Church and takes communion. So who is the "Bible Thumper"?
No, Libra going to church and following your faith is not "bible thumping"
Pushing your religion down people's throats, claimimg that you talk directly to god, thinking YOUR religion is the only true religion and hating those that have other beliefs, starting wars in the name of religion, forcing your religion on the public(like having religious monument on the grounds of a PUBLIC building)......
all those, aand more, are bible thumping.
John Kerry did NOT request church leaders to provide a list of the names and political affiliations of their parishioners and RULES for how to get them to vote Republican.....BUSH DID.
That's a bible thumper of the most insidious, vile, nasty, kind.
posted on September 2, 2004 11:37:52 AM new
crowfarm,
You got that right!! Just think, Bush will try to cram that down everyone's throat too. Enough to make you vomit. As citizens of the US, our government is supposed to be free of a religious affiliation. Seems lately that it isn't.
Bigots are miserable people. Prevent Bigotry through Education.
posted on September 2, 2004 11:51:30 PM new
It ISn't hard to believe that the present leaders of this "free" society of ours want to make it less free by trying to force their personal beliefs on us but more control IS more control.
Religion is nothing more than control of the masses.
Prevent Bigotry through Education.
