posted on September 5, 2004 08:31:48 AM new
I don't know why a positive thread has to turn negative. But that is the way most threads go and it seems to be one person in here that does it. I can understand a democratic and republic threads negative but one like this that might help someone.
Ya, here go those oh-so kind hearted Righties with THEIR "facts" and Figures.
Well they are right so get over it. You can't understand that there are people out there that want to help someone.
Her answer to poor seniors....get over it , it a fact of life[/b]. She's not that old ,SHE's not that poor so F--- the elderly...such a kind American way of thinking......
Do you know me? Are you related to me? Then back off. I am 68 years old and yes on SS with no other income. Very small savings and yes I work 2 days a week to help myself get along. I work for $5.75 an hour and that was the same pay I got when Clinton was in office. I have received no raises. You complain about your 9% loss of wages well it is time you get over that and start turning your brain in to positive thinking.
You come in here and sprew your venum. Use language unbecoming a lady, which I assumed you were until that statement. I have a better American way of thinking than you every will.
YUP, the world's "greatest Country" can't take care of it's elderly.....shameful.
Well then I guess you are going to have to pay more taxes to help.
Oh, I'm ever so sorry this wasn't a POSITIVE message but I'm not going to apologize for CARING for somebody besides myself.
You are never sorry as you never give a positive contributation to any threads in this round table.
Now start you own thread on negativity in the round table and it should make you feel better. I can't understand how the posters in this group cannot understand where crowfarm comes from. This should be an awaking for all of you. Notice how many times she corrects spelling, punctuation but when she does it it's okay. Notice how many times she swears at people, tells them they should be taking their meds, if you haven't figured her out yet then reading this informational thread should give you a wake up call.
I have been wanting to write this for quite some time and I think this is the proper time to do it as Bear and I try and help. This would not have turned to a negative thread if one of the "lefties" had given the information. I hope you agree. Sorry I used the word "lefties" but I guess it goes with "righties".
Everyone have a great Holliday. Soon it will be winter and where did our summer go?
posted on September 5, 2004 08:41:02 AM new
Stop-because the drug company Astra-Zendica stopped making Priolsec.
With every drug that is made there is a time limit to when other drug companies can make a generic. The time limit ran out on Prilosec so then they made Nexium. Prilosec is not drug physicians can prescribe because of that. OTC prilosec does not work for me as I tried that. Some days I had to take two. I have no idea what is missing and they won't tell us.
It was the same with Tagement. Don't know the names to the other OTC druge as I didn't take those.
The reason the clinics don't have generic drugs is because the drug companies that make generic drugs have no reps. The clinics do get quite a few drugs and the clinic I worked at they were given to the patients that couldn't afford them.
posted on September 5, 2004 08:51:20 AM new
I'm not quite sure how anyone believed that this was not going to happen. The one thing that all of us that are not yet on the programs should accept and plan for now is, it is only going to get worse.
When the system was put into place, there were 40 people paying in for every person collecting and the average person collected for 7 to 8 years. Once the baby boomers start collecting (which they are trying to delay as much as possible by pushing back eligibility ages) there will be more along the lines of a dozen people paying in and the average person collecting for nearly 15 years.
It does not take a mathemetician to see that the math does not work. Now, factor in falling birth rates and those of us that are the children of baby boomers are being downright niave if we think that SS is going to pay for any more than dinner and a movie in our retirement.
We do need to do something to find a way to help our elderly today, and it certainly is going to cost, we just have to figure out who it is we think should be paying.
BTW - I think some prescription drug price reform measures are called for but with their lobby I don't see it happening anytime soon. Put it this way.... their money was enough to get Bush to say he was vetoing a bill to provide acces to low cost drugs because it was a terror risk, and do it with a straight face.
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If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
posted on September 5, 2004 08:56:29 AM new
One other reason... Prilosec wqs generally prescribed in conjunction with Propulsid. Remember, once you turn of the acids, you still have to find a way to get the undigested food out of the stomach and Propulsid was the drug used to accomplish that... until it was yanked from the market for causing heart damage and death.
The OTC versions of these drugs just dial down the acid content, the prescription versions shut it down completely.
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If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
posted on September 5, 2004 09:34:56 AM new
a friend of mine works for sherwin williams,the paint people.
He lied to his doctor and said he has no health insurance,the doc gave him 6 months worth of lipitor and now his problem is licked,thanks to sample lipitor.
here,one month supply is 34 dollars!! i think,could be more.
-sig file -------we eat to live,not live to eat.
Benjamin Franklin
posted on September 5, 2004 09:42:49 AM new
Stop- if you could see the amount of drugs given to clinics you would be surprised. Usually the physicians will give 1 months worth and then if they come back they will give another one. I guess it all depends on the clinic. But patients shouldn't be afraid to ask the worse thay can say is NO.
Police crack down on Americans who buy medications without local prescriptions.
Latimes
By Chris Kraul
Times Staff Writer
September 5, 2004
TIJUANA — Californians shopping for cheaper prescription drugs may have gotten a break when the Legislature voted to ease access to low-cost medicines from Canada, but south of the border, bargain-hunters can pay an unexpected, traumatic cost — time in a Mexican slammer.
Since early last year, at least 67 Americans have been jailed here for buying medicines without a prescription from a Mexican doctor. Most recently, a 53-year-old U.S. woman was arrested here in July and spent a day in jail after buying 90 Valium tablets, a standard prescription amount, without the requisite Mexican doctor's order.
Drug shoppers in Mexico are on the same quest for discounts that has driven many Californians to buy mail-order medications from Canada, where prices also can be dramatically lower.
Late last month, days after a group of elderly Southern Californian protesters chartered a train called the "Rx Express" to buy medicines in Vancouver, the California Legislature gave final approval to a package of bills allowing cheaper drug imports from Canada. The legislation is still being considered by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger.
To the south, thousands of Americans, mostly senior citizens, cross the border daily to buy prescription drugs at places such as Tijuana and Algodones on the California border, Nogales south of Arizona and Ciudad Juarez opposite El Paso. They are pursuing savings of up to 75% on medicines ranging from antibiotics and antidepressants to heart medication and chemotherapy agents.
Mexican druggists who sell to Americans without a prescription are also breaking the law, but the police more frequently target the customers, knowing they are easy arrests and in many cases will be only too willing to pay bribes of hundreds of dollars to avoid jail.
Facing a sharp decline in tourism in recent months, some Tijuana pharmacists are mounting a campaign to warn visitors of the hazards of buying drugs without prescriptions — and to repair Tijuana's image.
"Americans come here with no idea that they need a prescription, a Mexican prescription, to get their medicines," said Ignacio Romo Calderon, president of the Tijuana Pharmacists Assn.
"We are trying to educate the tourists because [the arrests] have given the city a bad name."
Pharmacies have multiplied here to more than 1,300 — three times the number in San Diego, with roughly the same population — as Mexico becomes known as an alternative to cost-conscious U.S. consumers.
Law-abiding druggists along Pharmacy Row will either refuse to sell the drugs or send consumers to one of the many doctor's offices here where physicians are known to write prescriptions for $40.
Some of the buyers arrested here obviously intended to traffick the suspiciously large quantities of drugs they bought, officials at the U.S. Consulate here said.
A Seattle man was arrested in September 2003 after allegedly buying more than 6,000 pills of medications, including controlled substances. Two clerks at Tijuana's Trip Pharmacy, where the purchases were made, were also jailed.
But most trans-border consumers are elderly Americans who simply are buying medicines for their own ailments or those of family members. Most walk into the Mexican pharmacies with a U.S. prescription or with none at all.
Alfonso Gonzalez, a San Diego retiree, drives to Tijuana every month to buy eyedrops for his glaucoma. He pays $20 for the same monthly supply of drops that in San Diego costs $90. That's a considerable savings for 70-year-old Gonzalez and his wife, who subsist on the $1,100 a month they receive in Social Security benefits.
"We retirees are the ones who suffer the most because the drug business is so controlled in the United States. It's why you never see a price reduction," said Gonzalez, who said that Medicare did not cover the cost of his drops, which he said were vital in keeping his eyesight.
He said the Tijuana pharmacy he patronized sold him his drops without a prescription.
Although police are likely to look the other way a case such as Gonzalez's eyedrops, they can come down hard on those who buy controlled substances, such as those known by their U.S. brand names Valium, Ritalin, Percodan and Darvon.
The average length of jail time is 48 hours.
Although most of those arrested are released after producing documentation proving a medical need, those who can't or who are suspected of buying drugs with trafficking in mind can be sentenced to lengthy terms.
In the most highly publicized case here, Dawn Marie Wilson, 48, received a five-year term for buying a variety of prescription drugs in Baja California last year, including anti- epilepsy medication and Valium.
Through her lawyer, she said she did not buy all the drugs listed by Mexican authorities in her court papers. Wilson is now in an Ensenada jail but is scheduled to be transferred to U.S. custody this month.
Raymond Lindell, 66, of Phoenix was held in a Nogales jail for eight weeks this year after being caught with 270 Valium pills he had bought for his wife. Lindell argued that he went to Mexico to buy the drugs after his insurer stopped reimbursing him and his wife for the cost of the tranquilizer.
In a notorious case, an Iowa woman was raped while in custody late last year after Mexican police arrested her and her husband for possession of Ritalin they had bought in Tijuana for their 9-year-old son.
The arrests of U.S. shoppers have contributed to Tijuana's dubious status as the place where more Americans are arrested — an average of more than seven a day — than in any other foreign city with a consular presence. Most arrests are for drunkenness and disorderly conduct.
Baja California accounts for 20% of all arrests of U.S. nationals on foreign soil each year.
posted on September 5, 2004 10:17:49 AM new
::The arrests of U.S. shoppers have contributed to Tijuana's dubious status as the place where more Americans are arrested — an average of more than seven a day — than in any other foreign city with a consular presence. Most arrests are for drunkenness and disorderly conduct.
Baja California accounts for 20% of all arrests of U.S. nationals on foreign soil each year. ::
That was a rather strange ending to the article, especially at least twice that many people are arrested within 100 yards of the American side of the border for DUIs, public drunkness, etc.
The article also seems to demonize the Tijuana officials yet forgot to mention that it came as a result of some US strong arming. US officials put pressure on TJ officials to start cracking down on trafficers or they were going to be forced to start searching every car came thru the gates which would cuse boggling delays that would inhibit Bja residents that work in the US and further damage tourism.
BTW - About the only thing you may get called on for not having a mexican prescription for are frequently trafficed drugs.
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posted on September 5, 2004 06:00:08 PM new
Correct me if I am wrong. It is illegal to buy Controlled substance without a prescription in Mexico. Darvacet, Vallium, well, any drug that is a pain medication. The other drugs like Priolsec, zoloft can be purchased without prescriptions. Jail time is certainly given if the Mexican police arrest them and I understand it is difficult to get out of those jails.
a poster from here buys all her medication from Mexico and I guess has no problems. I don't remember the user ID as I try and forget things about a day after they are posted.
posted on September 5, 2004 06:50:28 PM new
I wonder if you who have insurance through your workplace have any idea of the true cost of your prescription drugs? I know that I never paid any attention because everything but $10 or $15 was covered by our insurance. Then we retired, and I saw one prescription for a month go to $150, most of which we had to pay. Etc. We're very healthy seniors; my husband has no prescriptions, and I have 4. We now have Medicare AND AARP insurance, and we're still paying half the cost each month. It does add up. We're grateful that we can afford it, but what about all those who can't??
