posted on September 18, 2004 06:20:07 AM new "Hi Robin - You don't know how very nice it is to be able to disagree with someone on the issues...without making the arguments personal."
Linda, Hang on tightly to those who are willing to indulge your propaganda because they will be few. I don't JUST disagree with you, I believe that your opinions personify all that is wrong with this country and the world. YOU don't hesitate to make the arguments personal when you believe that it's advantageous to do so and then, hypocritically thank Robin for NOT making them personal when you might be the target. Typical!
posted on September 18, 2004 07:01:11 AM newYou don't know how very nice it is to be able to disagree with someone on the issues...without making the arguments personal.
I couldn't help but notice that statement, Linda_K. Too bad you can never contain yourself when I disagree with you. Each time you feel you are losing the argument you make it personal by bashing Canada and then calling me anti-American as well as other lies. Or does this mean you've finally changed your tactics and would like to try to discuss things without making it personal.
BTW, very good posts by Rawbunzel...... someone who seems to have a grip on reality.
posted on September 18, 2004 07:10:54 AM new
Yes, kiara...I totally understand how you and helen can't see the difference between asking someone if they're have sex with their son as totally appropriate.
You always appear overly sensitive when anything's mentioned about Canada...but fault me when I do the same.
It's that ol' double standard you lefties are so great at.
posted on September 18, 2004 07:25:24 AM new
Nowhere to Go. taken from townhall.com yesterday
WASHINGTON --
If the election were held today, John Kerry would lose by between 58 and 100 electoral votes. The reason is simple: the central vulnerability of this president -- the central issue of this campaign -- is the Iraq War. And Kerry has nothing left to say.
Why? Because, until now, he has said everything conceivable regarding Iraq. Having taken every possible position on the war, there is nothing he can now say that is even remotely credible.
If he had simply admitted that he had made a mistake in supporting the war, he might have become an antiwar candidate. But having taken a dozen positions, he has nowhere to go.
He now calls Iraq ``the wrong war in the wrong place at the wrong time.´´ But of course he voted to authorize the war. And shortly after the fall of Baghdad he emphatically repeated his approval of the war: ``It was the right decision to disarm Saddam Hussein. And when the president made the decision, I supported him.´´
When Don Imus asked him this week, ``Do you think there are any circumstances we should have gone to war in Iraq, any?´´ Kerry responded: ``Not under the current circumstances, no. There are none that I see. I voted based on weapons of mass destruction. The president distorted that.´´ But just last month he said that even if he had known then what he knows now, he would have voted for the war resolution.
Is Iraq part of the war on terror or a cynical distraction from it? ``And everything (Bush) did in Iraq, he´s going to try to persuade people it has to do with terror, even though everybody here knows that it has nothing whatsoever to do with al Qaeda and everything to do with an agenda that they had preset, determined.´´
That was April 2004. Of course, shortly after 9/11, Kerry was saying the opposite. ``I think we clearly have to keep the pressure on terrorism globally," he said in December 2001. ``This doesn´t end with Afghanistan by any imagination. ... Terrorism is a global menace. It´s a scourge. And it is absolutely vital that we continue (with), for instance, Saddam Hussein.´´
So then Saddam was indeed part of the war on terror -- a ``for instance´´ in fighting ``terrorism globally.´´
Kerry temporarily returned to that position last week when he marked the one-thousandth American death in Iraq by saying they have ``given their lives on behalf of their country, on behalf of freedom, in the war on terror.´´
How did Kerry get to this point of total meltdown? He started out his political career voting his conscience on national security issues. During the 1980s he was a consistent, dovish liberal Democrat: pro-nuclear freeze, anti-Star Wars, against the Reagan defense buildup, against the war in Nicaragua. And then he joined the overwhelming majority of his party in voting against the Gulf War.
That turned out to be a mistake. And Kerry suffered for it. The very next year, he had to watch as Al Gore, who got the Gulf War right, was chosen for the 1992 Democratic ticket, a spot for which Kerry had been on the short list.
Kerry learned his political lesson. Or thought he did. So when the Iraq War came around, he did not want to be caught on the wrong side of another success. He voted yes.
But then things went wrong both for the war and for him. What did he do? With Howard Dean rocketing to the Democratic nomination, Kerry played to his deeply antiwar party by voting against the $87 billion to fund the occupation.
Two months later, with Saddam caught and the war looking better, Kerry maneuvered again, slamming Dean with: ``Those who doubted whether Iraq or the world would be better off without Saddam Hussein, and those who believe today that we are not safer with his capture, don´t have the judgment to be president or the credibility to be elected president.´´ [sorry but that does make me laugh]
Kerry is now back to the ``wrong war in the wrong place at the wrong time,´´ a line lifted from Dean himself. So we are not better off with Saddam deposed after all.
These dizzying contradictions -- so glaring, so public, so frequent -- have gone beyond undermining anything Kerry can now say on Iraq. They have been transmuted into a character issue.
When Kerry went off windsurfing during the Republican convention, Jay Leno noted that even Kerry's hobbies depend on wind direction.
Kerry on the war has become an object not only of derision, but of irreconcilable suspicion. What kind of man, aspiring to the presidency, does not know his own mind about the most serious issue of our time? Washington Post Writers Group
Contact Charles Krauthammer |
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"The War on Terror will not be won until America is united. And as long as Democrats target the Bush administration -- not the terrorists -- as the enemy, we are in trouble." --Oliver North
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Those are only two reasons why we need to:
Yes, kiara...I totally understand how you and helen can't see the difference between asking someone if they're have sex with their son as totally appropriate
Well, I can't let that insinuation slide.
WHERE did that statement come from? Neither I nor Kiara asked you such a vile question.
posted on September 18, 2004 07:43:07 AM new
Linda_K, I have never been involved in any discussion about anyone having sex with their son so I don't know where you're dragging that one from except to say that you will sink to any level to stir the sh*t around here.
I seldom bring Canada into the conversation or compare it to the US but you seem fascinated or perhaps a bit jealous of the country. Seems that you don't peek too far out of your box to see things on a worldwide scale but for some of us what happens in the US and the rest of the world affects our future. Corporate North America is selling out to China and all of those jobs will never come back now.
Here is a site that shows all the employers in each community that are exporting US jobs.
I was looking forward to an interesting campaign since there are such vital issues that need to be discussed. I'm disappointed that it's turned into such a mud-slinging mess. Where is all the money going to come from for Bush's plan of a future of war? Do you think they can just keep printing it?
The question from Logansdad was inappropriate in my opinion but not nearly as vile as your twist on it and your attempt to associate it with kiara and I who were not even posting about that topic.
posted on September 18, 2004 08:00:13 AM newOur troops are overstretched because clinton cut our military by 45-50% in his eight years.
I always wonder why Republicans completely ignore Cheney's role in this area:
"We have to get on with the business of cutting…We have to cut out those things we don't need. We have to cut out those things that we can do without in the military area, that we can do without in terms of the complex that is the Department of Defense…Over the course of the last year, since I've been Secretary, I've recommended terminating, canceling, shutting down 20 separate weapons programs." - Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney, 4/30/90
"The F-14B, of course, we're terminating in '90. There's no new money in it for '91. The AHIP, the Phoenix missile, the F-15 aircraft, et cetera -- all of those are being terminated in '91…The Apache helicopter, of course, ends in '91. The M1 tank, we're proposing to shut down the M1 tank production lines in '91.” - Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney, 2/1/90
Defense Secretary Cheney tried "to reduce active-duty troop strength" from 2.2 million to 1.6 million while making "deep cuts in the Reserves and National Guard." - NY Times, 8/4/91
If President Reagan "doesn't really cut defense, he becomes the No. 1 special pleader in town…The president has to reach out and take a whack at everything to be credible [meaning] you've got to hit defense." - U.S. Rep. Dick Cheney, 12/16/84
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posted on September 18, 2004 08:18:18 AM new
ahhh the liar crowfart chimed in... can't even keep her own word and has the gall to question others.... how amusing.
I have gotten no response...
Now will you keep your word and quit posting to the boards or you just like being a liar?
posted on September 18, 2004 08:39:54 AM new
ignore is a joke here, that is why I use that response... and will continue to give that POS that response.
posted on September 18, 2004 08:50:30 AM newYou don't know how very nice it is to be able to disagree with someone on the issues...without making the arguments personal.
Give it some time and Linda will be shooting her venom as well to Robin.
DICK CHENEY SUPPORTS MY RELATIONSHIP: People ought to be free to enter into any kind of relationship they want to
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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posted on September 18, 2004 08:57:14 AM newThe question from Logansdad was inappropriate in my opinion but not nearly as vile as your twist on it and your attempt to associate it with kiara and I who were not even posting about that topic.
Linda what's the matter trying to associate everyone you don't like with me. You are the sicko. First off it was you that brought up the example of you marrying your son, not me. Hey but what you do in the privacy of your own home is none of my business.
DICK CHENEY SUPPORTS MY RELATIONSHIP: People ought to be free to enter into any kind of relationship they want to
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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posted on September 18, 2004 09:08:30 AM new
helen and her tag-a-long, kiara.
I said what I did because you accuse me of actions that you never mention nor bring up when those like cf and logansdad make such inapproiate filthy statements. That's allowed because they are lefties.
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I always wonder why Republicans completely ignore Cheney's role in this area:....
I've addressed this question many times. First of all it was a recommendation...not a vote that DID change the course of spending. Secondly because the recommendation for cutting expenses during 'peace times' are normally done.
The recommendation was over the upcoming years to cut by a total of 20-25%. clinton cut 45-50%. HUGE difference. And he was over-cutting in order to reduce our deficit. Shows that having the ability to defend this country wasn't as important to him as it should have been.
I've posted urls from military commanders who spoke to their concern that we wouldnt' be able to defend this Nation, if need be, because the cuts were TOO large and they weren't even able to pay for repairs on our equipment...let alone keep up with technological advances.
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"The War on Terror will not be won until America is united. And as long as Democrats target the Bush administration -- not the terrorists -- as the enemy, we are in trouble." --Oliver North
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Those are only two reasons why we need to:
posted on September 18, 2004 09:15:53 AM newGive it some time and Linda will be shooting her venom as well to Robin.
Goes to show how often what you say is so totally off base as to be funny.
Robin and I go back a long way. And while we don't agree on most political positions I admire her character.
What I was saying to her was that I do admire her character and the way she's willing to discuss the issues without all you and others throw into the mix during discussions.
See, it is possible to hold totally different political views and still be civil with other posters. Something your sick statements show you're just not capable of doing.
posted on September 18, 2004 09:24:33 AM new"helen and her tag-a-long, kiara. I said what I did because you accuse me of actions that you never mention nor bring up when those like cf and logansdad make such inapproiate filthy statements. That's allowed because they are lefties"
lindak...you are so transparent. Calling Kiara my tag a long is just another technique of yours to attempt to diminish Kiara's comments and discourage her from commenting on your vile nastiness. It will not work, lindak because Kiara has a mind of her own.
So, you expect us to defend you from logansdad and cf???? That's hilarious!
posted on September 18, 2004 09:35:35 AM new
Iraqis' loss of faith has put a new spin on the 1,001 nights.
". . . this week Iraqis sat down to watch a wicked television satire updating the legend of the genie and the lamp. Summoned to a darkened flat to grant his customary wishes, the hapless blue-bearded genie is asked to repair the electricity supply, but can only attach the wires to the neighbours' generator, which promptly breaks down.
Beseeched to improve the nation's security, he disappears only to reappear bruised and battered, having been run over by US tanks. The message is clear. In the land of the Arabian Nights, even the genie can't fix Iraq. "
posted on September 18, 2004 09:36:35 AM new
LOL at defend.
No...I don't expect that from you helen, you've shown your true nature in the past. You cheerlead posters like cf, tell her how much you enjoy her posts, no matter how horrific her statesments are because she agrees with your political positions. Same thing on commenting on what I, calling me on my statements, but all the while totally ignoring anything foul that logansdad posts.
So, no I would never expect you to hold a leftie and a rightie to the same character standards. That would be a joke.
"Those who doubted whether Iraq or the world would be better off without Saddam Hussein, and those who believe today that we are not safer with his capture, don´t have the judgment to be president or the credibility to be elected president." - john kerry
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"These dizzying contradictions -- so glaring, so public, so frequent -- have gone beyond undermining anything Kerry can now say on Iraq. They have been transmuted into a character issue."
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"What kind of man, aspiring to the presidency, does not know his own mind about the most serious issue of our time?" - Charles Krauthammer
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posted on September 18, 2004 09:47:02 AM newFirst off it was you that brought up the example of you marrying your son, not me.
Nope...I didn't.
"Those who doubted whether Iraq or the world would be better off without Saddam Hussein, and those who believe today that we are not safer with his capture, don´t have the judgment to be president or the credibility to be elected president." - john kerry
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"These dizzying contradictions -- so glaring, so public, so frequent -- have gone beyond undermining anything Kerry can now say on Iraq. They have been transmuted into a character issue."
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"What kind of man, aspiring to the presidency, does not know his own mind about the most serious issue of our time?" - Charles Krauthammer
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posted on September 18, 2004 12:15:19 PM newhelen and her tag-a-long, kiara.
I said what I did because you accuse me of actions that you never mention nor bring up when those like cf and logansdad make such inapproiate filthy statements.
Linda_K, I did not cheerlead posts by crowfarm or logansdad so don't associate me with that or try to drag me into it. Nor do I defend you as it's not my job to do so..... you're not the innocent victim you always claim to be.
posted on September 18, 2004 12:39:06 PM new
Helen, kiara, and logansdad, add your names to the list of posters who "twist" linda's statements. Gee, it seems to be happening more and more ..........
Linduh's Rules:
1. Everyone else is "sick" except her.
2. Every one's insulting except her.
3. Linduh is the sweet, innocent, poor widow lady who never said a nasty thing in her life.
4. Linduh does not need to think when C&Ping is so much simpler.
5. Linduh can sit at her computer laughing hysterically and constantly and still not be hauled away in a straight jacket. ??????????
6.Linda laughs at the death report from Iraq but's that OK, she never called anyone a name.
But Kiara said it best, "you're not the innocent victim you always claim to be."
posted on September 18, 2004 12:50:13 PM new
kiara - Is this a new trend with you lefties? Taking a statement made to another person and then arguing I directed it to you? My statement you posted was to helen.
But here we go again with your game playing.
For helen to deny how much she said she enjoys cf's post...would be a lie.
And the reason I see you as a 'tag-a-long' is because almost everytime helen has a 'bit$c' with me...you're always right there...tagging along to repeat and support whatever her complaint-of-the-day-is.
"Those who doubted whether Iraq or the world would be better off without Saddam Hussein, and those who believe today that we are not safer with his capture, don´t have the judgment to be president or the credibility to be elected president." - john kerry
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"These dizzying contradictions -- so glaring, so public, so frequent -- have gone beyond undermining anything Kerry can now say on Iraq. They have been transmuted into a character issue."
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"What kind of man, aspiring to the presidency, does not know his own mind about the most serious issue of our time?" - Charles Krauthammer
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posted on September 18, 2004 12:58:51 PM new
Linda says, "And the reason I see you as a 'tag-a-long' is because almost everytime helen has a 'bit$c' with me...you're always right there...tagging along to repeat and support whatever her complaint-of-the-day-is. "
And, of course, it's Ok for Linda to add meaningful statements like, "Oh, funny LOL"(slobber)LOL!to support every dorky post against Kerry. Linda you are very guilty of adding stupid comments to support a statement when it really isn't necessary and that's fine but don't accuse other of doing it like it's a crime.
Besides, how DO you walk with Neroter's nose up your butt?
posted on September 18, 2004 01:42:19 PM new
Linda_K, the past few threads where you've started to get personal with me and lied about me didn't even have Helen posting on them so think again about your tag-along comment. You're using it just to stir more crap.
Yes, kiara...I totally understand how you and helen can't see the difference between asking someone if they're have sex with their son as totally appropriate.
You made that stupid comment and you put my name on it and linked it with Helen's. At least I can fend for myself and I don't need a lapdog yipping for me like you've had on many an occasion.
posted on September 18, 2004 02:25:51 PM new
Yes kiara - I understand it upsets some lefties here when ANYONE agrees with anything I say. Then they're accused of being lap-dogs.
But, of course, it's okay when lefties agree with each other.
How immature you appear to me at times.
"Those who doubted whether Iraq or the world would be better off without Saddam Hussein, and those who believe today that we are not safer with his capture, don´t have the judgment to be president or the credibility to be elected president." - john kerry
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"These dizzying contradictions -- so glaring, so public, so frequent -- have gone beyond undermining anything Kerry can now say on Iraq. They have been transmuted into a character issue."
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"What kind of man, aspiring to the presidency, does not know his own mind about the most serious issue of our time?" - Charles Krauthammer
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posted on September 18, 2004 02:53:49 PM new "Yes kiara - I understand it upsets some lefties here when ANYONE agrees with anything I say. Then they're accused of being lap-dogs."
I haven't accused anyone of being your lap dog. I said that Theresa Kerry would not be anyone's lap dog.
When has any Democrat approved of any political position that you hold lindak?
Your idea that I approve of every comment of every poster who leans left is nutty, ding b.
