posted on September 19, 2004 04:52:48 PM new
Actually Linda, I had the privledge of attending a Kerry Town Hall Meeting on Friday (friends I came out to visit for the weekend got us tickets). Although the main topic of the meeting was affordable health care, he did speak about the situation with Iraq and said many of the same things I did (although he did not mention the Palaces which I think is a small effort that sends a huge signal).
I liked what he said about healh care but to be honest what I liked the most was that he did explain how things would be paid for. I think that part of what he said was somewhat unrealistic, but then that's to be expected in a campaign, but he made strong valid points, expressed them well and thought quickly on his feet. When people asked how his plans would apply to their specific situation (one woman had not 1 but three major medical situations in her immediate family) he was able to say exactly how his proposals, which are multi teared, wouls apply to each one. The fact that he was able to do this quickly and with details without benefit of a teleprompters or notes tells me that he has a clear plan, something that he has thought about and knows well as opposed to just a a bunch of political retoric.
I think that people do not really know where Kerry stands on issues and what his specific plans are because he has been mired in a unfocused campaign as opposed to being because he is an unfocused candidate. Quite honestly Linda, if the Kerry that I saw speak on Friday shows up for the debates, you are going to see a turn in polling trends.
The person I went with, and the friends that joined are all undecided. They are not happy with Bush but at the same time, have a little of that "better the devil you know" leaning. All agreed that they were much more impressed with Kerry than they expected to be and leaning a little more towards the Kerry side of the ballot.
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posted on September 19, 2004 06:18:48 PM new
Thanks fenix for sharing your experience with us.
[shaking head here] I just can't get past how he keeps changing his positions. How he's presenting himself as a moderate whose the most left liberal in the Senate. I fear it's all for show..all for the campaign. Then he'll go back to the ultra-liberal that his voting record shows hi m to be. That's why I asked you and bunni to help me understand just how all his reversals don't bother you two....how you've come to terms with how he changes so often.
On the cost of his programs...and his mention of them...everything I've read, by economists who specialize in the costs of all political 'promises' have said the reversing the tax cut [on the so-called wealthy] won't even pay for his health plan alone. Let all the hundred other items he's promised. So those promises only make me see MUCH higher tax increases. And we all will be voting our own pocketbooks too.
I know he's articulate...much more than President Bush could ever hope to be.
And I know, from listening to him and reading his quotes he's excellent when speaking to a crowd. It's when he's asked questions that he goes on and on and on [kind of like me ] and never really answers the question at all. Or the reversals I often mention. Good speech givers are a dime a dozen....character can't be bought one developes it over time. I don't trust kerry's character as far as I could throw him.
I've always believed people have different strenghts in different areas and we all have weaknesses. But I like where this President's strength lie/lays?? He's steadfast...consistant...willing to fight the terrorists....go after them. I know..all the things the left don't want done. But I do.
Anyway...thanks again for sharing your experience - seeing him 'up close and personal'.
posted on September 19, 2004 06:35:07 PM new
fenix: I think that people do not really know where Kerry stands on issues and what his specific plans are because he has been mired in a unfocused campaign as opposed to being because he is an unfocused candidate. Quite honestly Linda, if the Kerry that I saw speak on Friday shows up for the debates, you are going to see a turn in polling trends.
Fenix, I am hoping most of the issues will be cleared up at the debates bewteen Kerry and Bush. I think Kerry does know what he wants to do and has a good plan on most issues. His deliverance has not been very good.
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posted on September 19, 2004 06:42:54 PM new
Here's Mr. Consistancy:
Social Security Surplus
BUSH PLEDGES NOT TO TOUCH SOCIAL SECURITY SURPLUS... "We're going to keep the promise of Social Security and keep the government from raiding the Social Security surplus." [President Bush, 3/3/01]
...BUSH SPENDS SOCIAL SECURITY SURPLUS The New York Times reported that "the president's new budget uses Social Security surpluses to pay for other programs every year through 2013, ultimately diverting more than $1.4 trillion in Social Security funds to other purposes." [The New York Times, 2/6/02]
2. Patient's Right to Sue
GOVERNOR BUSH VETOES PATIENTS' RIGHT TO SUE... "Despite his campaign rhetoric in favor of a patients' bill of rights, Bush fought such a bill tooth and nail as Texas governor, vetoing a bill coauthored by Republican state Rep. John Smithee in 1995. He... constantly opposed a patient's right to sue an HMO over coverage denied that resulted in adverse health effects." [Salon, 2/7/01]
...CANDIDATE BUSH PRAISES TEXAS PATIENTS' RIGHT TO SUE... "We're one of the first states that said you can sue an HMO for denying you proper coverage... It's time for our nation to come together and do what's right for the people. And I think this is right for the people. You know, I support a national patients' bill of rights, Mr. Vice President. And I want all people covered. I don't want the law to supersede good law like we've got in Texas." [Governor Bush, 10/17/00]
...PRESIDENT BUSH'S ADMINISTRATION ARGUES AGAINST RIGHT TO SUE "To let two Texas consumers, Juan Davila and Ruby R. Calad, sue their managed-care companies for wrongful denials of medical benefits ‘would be to completely undermine' federal law regulating employee benefits, Assistant Solicitor General James A. Feldman said at oral argument March 23. Moreover, the administration's brief attacked the policy rationale for Texas's law, which is similar to statutes on the books in nine other states." [Washington Post, 4/5/04]
3. Tobacco Buyout
BUSH SUPPORTS CURRENT TOBACCO FARMERS' QUOTA SYSTEM... "They've got the quota system in place -- the allotment system -- and I don't think that needs to be changed." [President Bush, 5/04]
...BUSH ADMINISTRATION WILL SUPPORT FEDERAL BUYOUT OF TOBACCO QUOTAS "The administration is open to a buyout." [White House spokeswoman Jeanie Mamo, 6/18/04]
4. North Korea
BUSH WILL NOT OFFER NUCLEAR NORTH KOREA INCENTIVES TO DISARM... "We developed a bold approach under which, if the North addressed our long-standing concerns, the United States was prepared to take important steps that would have significantly improved the lives of the North Korean people. Now that North Korea's covert nuclear weapons program has come to light, we are unable to pursue this approach." [President's Statement, 11/15/02]
...BUSH ADMINISTRATION OFFERS NORTH KOREA INCENTIVES TO DISARM"Well, we will work to take steps to ease their political and economic isolation. So there would be -- what you would see would be some provisional or temporary proposals that would only lead to lasting benefit after North Korea dismantles its nuclear programs. So there would be some provisional or temporary efforts of that nature." [White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan, 6/23/04]
5. Abortion
BUSH SUPPORTS A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE... "Bush said he...favors leaving up to a woman and her doctor the abortion question." [The Nation, 6/15/00, quoting the Lubbock Avalanche-Journal, 5/78]
...BUSH OPPOSES A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE "I am pro-life." [Governor Bush, 10/3/00]
6. OPEC
BUSH PROMISES TO FORCE OPEC TO LOWER PRICES... "What I think the president ought to do [when gas prices spike] is he ought to get on the phone with the OPEC cartel and say we expect you to open your spigots...And the president of the United States must jawbone OPEC members to lower the price." [President Bush, 1/26/00]
...BUSH REFUSES TO LOBBY OPEC LEADERS With gas prices soaring in the United States at the beginning of 2004, the Miami Herald reported the president refused to "personally lobby oil cartel leaders to change their minds." [Miami Herald, 4/1/04]
7. Iraq Funding
BUSH SPOKESMAN DENIES NEED FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR THE REST OF 2004... "We do not anticipate requesting supplemental funding for '04" [White House Budget Director Joshua Bolton, 2/2/04]
...BUSH REQUESTS ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR IRAQ FOR 2004 "I am requesting that Congress establish a $25 billion contingency reserve fund for the coming fiscal year to meet all commitments to our troops." [President Bush, Statement by President, 5/5/04]
8. Condoleeza Rice Testimony
BUSH SPOKESMAN SAYS RICE WON'T TESTIFY AS 'A MATTER OF PRINCIPLE'... "Again, this is not her personal preference; this goes back to a matter of principle. There is a separation of powers issue involved here. Historically, White House staffers do not testify before legislative bodies. So it's a matter of principle, not a matter of preference." [White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan, 3/9/04]
...BUSH ORDERS RICE TO TESTIFY: "Today I have informed the Commission on Terrorist Attacks Against the United States that my National Security Advisor, Dr. Condoleezza Rice, will provide public testimony." [President Bush, 3/30/04]
9. Science
BUSH PLEDGES TO ISSUE REGULATIONS BASED ON SCIENCE..."I think we ought to have high standards set by agencies that rely upon science, not by what may feel good or what sounds good." [then-Governor George W. Bush, 1/15/00]
...BUSH ADMINISTRATION REGULATIONS IGNORE SCIENCE "60 leading scientists—including Nobel laureates, leading medical experts, former federal agency directors and university chairs and presidents—issued a statement calling for regulatory and legislative action to restore scientific integrity to federal policymaking. According to the scientists, the Bush administration has, among other abuses, suppressed and distorted scientific analysis from federal agencies, and taken actions that have undermined the quality of scientific advisory panels." [Union of Concerned Scientists, 2/18/04]
10. Ahmed Chalabi
BUSH INVITES CHALABI TO STATE OF THE UNION ADDRESS...President Bush also met with Chalabi during his brief trip to Iraq last Thanksgiving [White House Documents 1/20/04, 11/27/03]
...BUSH MILITARY ASSISTS IN RAID OF CHALABI'S HOUSE "U.S. soldiers raided the home of America's one-time ally Ahmad Chalabi on Thursday and seized documents and computers." [Washington Post, 5/20/04]
11. Department of Homeland Security
BUSH OPPOSES THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY..."So, creating a Cabinet office doesn't solve the problem. You still will have agencies within the federal government that have to be coordinated. So the answer is that creating a Cabinet post doesn't solve anything." [White House spokesman Ari Fleischer, 3/19/02]
...BUSH SUPPORTS THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY "So tonight, I ask the Congress to join me in creating a single, permanent department with an overriding and urgent mission: securing the homeland of America and protecting the American people." [President Bush, Address to the Nation, 6/6/02]
12. Weapons of Mass Destruction
BUSH SAYS WE FOUND THE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION..."We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories...for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them." [President Bush, Interview in Poland, 5/29/03]
...BUSH SAYS WE HAVEN'T FOUND WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION "David Kay has found the capacity to produce weapons.And when David Kay goes in and says we haven't found stockpiles yet, and there's theories as to where the weapons went. They could have been destroyed during the war. Saddam and his henchmen could have destroyed them as we entered into Iraq. They could be hidden. They could have been transported to another country, and we'll find out." [President Bush, Meet the Press, 2/7/04]
13. Free Trade
BUSH SUPPORTS FREE TRADE... "I believe strongly that if we promote trade, and when we promote trade, it will help workers on both sides of this issue." [President Bush in Peru, 3/23/02]
...BUSH SUPPORTS RESTRICTIONS ON TRADE "In a decision largely driven by his political advisers, President Bush set aside his free-trade principles last year and imposed heavy tariffs on imported steel to help out struggling mills in Pennsylvania and West Virginia, two states crucial for his reelection." [Washington Post, 9/19/03]
14. Osama Bin Laden
BUSH WANTS OSAMA DEAD OR ALIVE... "I want justice. And there's an old poster out West, I recall, that says, 'Wanted: Dead or Alive.'" [President Bush, on Osama Bin Laden, 09/17/01]
...BUSH DOESN'T CARE ABOUT OSAMA "I don't know where he is.You know, I just don't spend that much time on him... I truly am not that concerned about him."[President Bush, Press Conference, 3/13/02]
15. The Environment
BUSH SUPPORTS MANDATORY CAPS ON CARBON DIOXIDE... "[If elected], Governor Bush will work to...establish mandatory reduction targets for emissions of four main pollutants: sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxide, mercury and carbon dioxide." [Bush Environmental Plan, 9/29/00]
...BUSH OPPOSES MANDATORY CAPS ON CARBON DIOXIDE "I do not believe, however, that the government should impose on power plants mandatory emissions reductions for carbon dioxide, which is not a 'pollutant' under the Clean Air Act." [President Bush, Letter to Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE), 3/13/03]
16. WMD Commission
BUSH RESISTS AN OUTSIDE INVESTIGATION ON WMD INTELLIGENCE FAILURE... "The White House immediately turned aside the calls from Kay and many Democrats for an immediate outside investigation, seeking to head off any new wide-ranging election-year inquiry that might go beyond reports already being assembled by congressional committees and the Central Intelligence Agency." [NY Times, 1/29/04]
...BUSH SUPPORTS AN OUTSIDE INVESTIGATION ON WMD INTELLIGENCE FAILURE "Today, by executive order, I am creating an independent commission, chaired by Governor and former Senator Chuck Robb, Judge Laurence Silberman, to look at American intelligence capabilities, especially our intelligence about weapons of mass destruction." [President Bush, 2/6/04]
17. Creation of the 9/11 Commission
BUSH OPPOSES CREATION OF INDEPENDENT 9/11 COMMISSION... "President Bush took a few minutes during his trip to Europe Thursday to voice his opposition to establishing a special commission to probe how the government dealt with terror warnings before Sept. 11." [CBS News, 5/23/02]
...BUSH SUPPORTS CREATION OF INDEPENDENT 9/11 COMMISSION "President Bush said today he now supports establishing an independent
posted on September 19, 2004 06:47:10 PM new
Linda Lies:
"willing to fight the terrorists....go after them. I know..all the things the left don't want done. "
Where did your tiny brain deduct that because we don't want to create WWIII we don't want to go after terrorists ????
You're very confused and misleading as usual. Have you never read where "bushy the dim" has never changed his mind.
posted on September 19, 2004 06:49:42 PM new
::It's when he's asked questions that he goes on and on and on::
Actually Linda, the thing that impressed me the most about him is that he did not do that. I fully expected it, I was listening for him to do just that and I was pleasantly surprised that he really did give direct questions to issues presented to him regarding health care reforms, medicaid reforms, etc.
BTW -he also tlked about going after terrorists and how he would attack that situation (we were 15 minutes from an Air Force Base listed as one of the top strategic strike points in the nation - you had to know someone was going to ask). He spoke about the realism of fighting a shadow war and that it is not something that is done with an abundance of combat troups but rather thru increased intelligence capabilities, increased special forces/ops personel, and creating a worldwide intelligence net with other countries rather than relying simply upon our own resources. He did not talk about getting permission of other coutries, just about taking advantage of the simple fact that it is in he best interest of the world for our intelligence organizations to communicate and work together.
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posted on September 19, 2004 07:19:42 PM new
Thanks for those views, fenix.
I believe that Kerry is more focused and much less of a flip-flopper than many choose to blindly believe, especially if they have a habit of tuning into very selective news sources. I blame some of Kerry's lack of success in this compaign on the media who catch hold of a certain image and beat it to death.
Kerry should have been more forceful in his messages much earlier on but hopefully he will now have a chance to let the public know where he stands. Voters are looking for strength and so far that's not an image he is portraying.
And for those who think the issues in the US should never be discussed by those living elsewhere or that it doesn't affect them, perhaps this will enlighten them. Please note that I don't know if these stats are exact or not but this is from a recent web page and similar data was also related on the news one evening when they discussed American voters residing here.
With an estimated 600,000 American expatriates living north of the 49th, Canada has a higher population of Americans living within its borders than either the District of Columbia or Wyoming. Which explains why John Kerry’s younger sister has been making the rounds addressing hundreds of Democratic supporters in Calgary and Vancouver this week to try and drum up support for her brother’s run for presidency.
BC Stats estimates nearly 60,000 US expats live in the province. An officer with the U.S. consulate general in Vancouver puts the number much higher: an estimated 250,000 Americans living in B.C. and the Yukon, with the vast majority of that total living in B.C. There are at least 5 million U.S. citizens living overseas, according to U.S. State Department figures based on two or three years ago, Diana Kerry said.
posted on September 19, 2004 07:55:06 PM new
I don't think we'll hear from linda again. Whenever I post the truth about that flip-flopper bush she never addresses it and/or disappears.
That's ok, neocons are known for not being able to face the truth.
posted on September 19, 2004 08:01:48 PM new
I am sorry if this is a bit off the topic, but it is election related.
For those American/Candian citizens that have dual citizenship, do you get to vote in both Canadian elections and the US elections? Or can you only vote in the country that you claim as your "residence"?
DICK CHENEY SUPPORTS MY RELATIONSHIP: People ought to be free to enter into any kind of relationship they want to
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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YOU CAN'T HAVE BULLSH** WITH OUT BUSH.
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posted on September 19, 2004 08:27:02 PM new
fenix - Well it does appear you were impressed.
He spoke about the realism of fighting a shadow war and that it is not something that is done with an abundance of combat troups but rather thru increased intelligence capabilities that would be those same intelligence agencies that he's voted against funding though.
increased special forces/ops personel, and creating a worldwide intelligence net with other countries which this administration has already done. I find many things kerry says he'll do are things that have already been put into action by this President.
He did not talk about getting permission of other coutries...no he most likely wouldn't. What he says changes according to the group he's speaking to...near a military base I don't think they'd appreciate here he wouldn't go without UN permission...as he HAS stated in the past.
That will always be one of my problems with him....not consistant nor trustworthy...plus I still hold old grievances from his actions against our soldiers and country.
I believe he's a fake politician...who tells people what they want to hear and change a lot of his so called positions should he be elected. First one will be a HUGE tax increase.
But I do appreciate hearing it from your take.
"Those who doubted whether Iraq or the world would be better off without Saddam Hussein, and those who believe today that we are not safer with his capture, don´t have the judgment to be president or the credibility to be elected president." - john kerry
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"These dizzying contradictions -- so glaring, so public, so frequent -- have gone beyond undermining anything Kerry can now say on Iraq. They have been transmuted into a character issue."
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"What kind of man, aspiring to the presidency, does not know his own mind about the most serious issue of our time?" - Charles Krauthammer
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posted on September 19, 2004 08:35:50 PM new
Look how nice and proper and polite the "Insufferable Prig" can be when she is sucking up to someone who gives her the time of day... do you hear the huge SUCKING NOISES? Watch your A$$ Fenix.. your apt to wake up with some really huge hickeys on both cheeks in the morning.. Maggie
posted on September 19, 2004 08:51:12 PM new
Well, linda's biggest problem is her tunnel vision brain.
She AGAIN says Kerry is not consistant. Obviously reading is a big problem for her, too. Just couldn't read a post that might upset her tight little apple cart.
She just can't admit that bushy changes, too!
What a stubborn , and rather stupid stance.
But we knew she wasn't a thinker, just a C&P-er and a chanter, saying the same thing over and over again and then it becomes her "truth".
posted on September 19, 2004 08:53:38 PM new
Do you think Bushie will be able to get through one sentence without saying uh..er..uh...er.. with those embarrassing halts and silent moments while he looks stunned and searches for his lost thoughts.. oh...and how long will he be able to control that sneer? Maggie
posted on September 19, 2004 09:06:07 PM new
That's a good question about dual citizenship, logansdad and it was me that strayed off topic first. It's just that I would like to inform some of the neocons that there are US citizens that live in other countries for many reasons...... jobs, education, marriage, family or perhaps just because they visited another country and fell in love with it but can still love the US and care about what happens there.
Years ago if you were a US citizen and voted in a foreign country you would lose your US citizenship but that changed in 1978. Your question and many others can be answered here.
posted on September 19, 2004 09:11:26 PM new
kiara, do you have, or do you know where I can find, information on the immigration laws of Canada? Something that would simplify them for this old brain.
posted on September 19, 2004 09:15:17 PM new
Linda - I really was. In fact more so than I expected to be. If you recall I said that I am not so much a Kerry supporter as I am against Bush. I thought that much of what Kerry said was absolutely logical which is something that you can very rarely say about politicians.
BTW - The meeting was during the day at a local high school where he was invited by the civics teacher. I think the main reason he accepted had more to do with Colorado being a swing state this year and the school being in the same city he was born than the base.
On a humorous note, the last woman to speak turned out to be a real nut case speaking of prophesies and who knows what else. She did say that she predicted his presidency a few yers ago. As a collective groan from the crowd went up as she went on about other predictions and the sound people tried to figure out which control was to the mic she had, Kerry recovered the moment quickly telling the crowd that there were worse ways to end the day than with a prophesy of his win
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posted on September 19, 2004 10:08:15 PM new
"if you were in charge of this mess, what would you do at this point"
Glad you ask!. First I would start with Fallujah. The city would be surrounded with grids of cone of fire five mile inboard. I cut all water, gas, electricity and food to the city. Then open up with artillery and air support in each cone of fire grid for 20 min. Fire would be concentrated on city exits. Then one grid at time would be leveled six mile inboard. This would continue until the complete city was leveled.
I would do this to each problem city in Iraq. I bet by time I get to the next problem city, the insurgents will be hung and all weapons will be in stock piles.
posted on September 19, 2004 11:21:51 PM new
Congrats Fred. You are officially hired as head of recruitment for the Arab Peninsula headquarters of Terrorist Temps. Your solution show that you have a clear understanding of the proper way to support and even spread the radical Muslim message that America is evil and wishes the death and destruction of all arabs.
Unfortunately for the US you have proven a complete lack of understanding of the enemy. From a peace keeping point of view, you have done nothing but convinced a whole new group of people that they should join the fight against the western world and that we are nothing but liars worthy of distrust and destuction.
The trick is to fight the insurgents with methods that do not end up creating more.
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If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
posted on September 20, 2004 06:19:08 AM new
Linda, I'm sorry you got tired and had to get off the computer after reading the long post about Bush and his flip-flopping.
I was SO interested in your thoughts.
posted on September 20, 2004 06:22:19 AM new
If Fred and Linda and Twelvepole were in charge their policy would be to destroy the country in order to *save* it. Razing cities, killing tens of thousands of innocent people and reducing the country to rubble is no way to win this war or to achieve the latest stated objective - to bring freedom to Iraq. As U.S. brutality increases, the chances increase that election focus will be against the U.S. and that more Iraqis will join the guerrillas and insurgents.
posted on September 20, 2004 06:40:41 AM new
You are so right fenix and Helen, this is what Kerry meant by being more sensitive, something the Republicans made fun of!
I think they view "strength" as a chest pounding, violent bully. Back to cave man days for them!
The world is WAY too small to start wars on a whim or a guess, diplomacy must rule.
What is happening in Iraq right now is what most of the world SAID would happen. But bush's controllers didn't care and now we will all pay the price for years to come. Except, of course, for Haliburton which will be reaping the profits for years.
posted on September 20, 2004 07:03:10 AM newAs U.S. brutality increases, the chances increase that election focus will be against the U.S. and that more Iraqis will join the guerrillas and insurgents.
Here we go again....more criticizing of her own country's actions....more worried about all those innocent terrorists in Fallujah. Let's don't hurt them....we can stop their violence by doing exactly WHAT, helen? Talking it out? Being nice to them>? Understanding why the continue to be the 'hub' of THE most violent terrorists in Iraq? I vote to send helen over there to negotiate a peace treaty.
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And then there's Hallburton. Yep, it was a-okay to use them, under no bid contracts during the clinton administration...after all they are one of VERY FEW companies that have the ability to do the work that has to be done in these situation. But boy....let a Republican administration do exactly the same, and even with a bid contract....and they'll #*!@ forever.
Typical hypocrates.
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"Those who doubted whether Iraq or the world would be better off without Saddam Hussein, and those who believe today that we are not safer with his capture, don´t have the judgment to be president or the credibility to be elected president." - john kerry
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"These dizzying contradictions -- so glaring, so public, so frequent -- have gone beyond undermining anything Kerry can now say on Iraq. They have been transmuted into a character issue."
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"What kind of man, aspiring to the presidency, does not know his own mind about the most serious issue of our time?" - Charles Krauthammer
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posted on September 20, 2004 07:11:56 AM new
Linda, the talking (it's called diplomacy)should have been done BEFORE we invaded Iraq. And your solution of going in and killing everyone in Iraq.....what does that accomplish?
I still say if these people were white , YOU'D be singing a different tune.
You are brutal and violent but that shouldn't be what MY country stands for!
Haliburton under Clinton was not profiting on a WAR.
And if it was wrong THEN....it's STILL wrong , linda!
Are you saying if Clinton did it it's alright!????????????
Make up your mind!
Have you had the backbone to read my post on bush and his flip-flopping or are you just going to keep up your chant that Kerry flip-flops and hope that it sticks....like a two-year-old learning the alphabet?
"The problem as I see it is we're being too nice. Seeking international approval of our actions...otherwise we'd be clearing the place out....problem over."
If you will reread my statement and incidentally, the statement of your friend, fenix, you will see that we believe that violence such as leveling cities will create more insurgents and more guerillas against the U.S. As you stated, "clearing the place out" is a brutal concept and an action that will NOT bring resolution to the problem in Iraq. Remember your president's stated goal...to bring peace and democracy to the good people of Iraq? Your plan will turn those good people into warriors and enemies of the U.S.
posted on September 20, 2004 07:24:25 AM newHere we go again....more criticizing of her own country's actions....more worried about all those innocent terrorists in Fallujah. Let's don't hurt them....
We are not worried about the innocent terrorists. We (or at least I am) are worried about all the other peaceful Iraqi citizens that got caught up in the middle of all this. I am sure they are glad Saddam is out of power, but I am sure they are in much more fear of being killed everyday just as the troops are. Some innocent are Iraqi are without homes, food, electricity and jobs. At least that had those things under Saddam. How many of these innocent Iraqi's have lost family members. I suppose that is just collateral damage and a price they have to pay so they no longer have to live under Saddam's rule?
Bush even said he miscalculated this war. He has proven to me he is not an effective commander in chief. In my opinion he rushed into Iraq thinking this would be a push over and the war ended in 3 days just like during the First Gulf War.
And then there's Hallburton. Yep, it was a-okay to use them, under no bid contracts during the clinton administration...after all they are one of VERY FEW companies that have the ability to do the work that has to be done in these situation. But boy....let a Republican administration do exactly the same, and even with a bid contract....and they'll #*!@ forever.
But Gore was not employed by Halliburton like Chaney was. That is where the difference ends and the main reason behind the uproar.
DICK CHENEY SUPPORTS MY RELATIONSHIP: People ought to be free to enter into any kind of relationship they want to
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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YOU CAN'T HAVE BULLSH** WITH OUT BUSH.
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] and never really answers the question at all. Or the reversals I often mention. Good speech givers are a dime a dozen....character can't be bought one developes it over time. I don't trust kerry's character as far as I could throw him.
Maggie