posted on December 13, 2004 03:33:48 PM new
"Yes, classic, DECENT people consider that torture but the "moral", "christian", "ethical" Republicans think it's just fine. And the authority to carry out torture goes right up to Dummy Rumsfeld, the evilmiester. "
Well Crowfart, if it were your panties, yes I would consider it torture...in fact unusal and cruel punishment. In any other instance,these slimballs never had it so good,they probably never even seen a clean pair of panties. Then again maybe we should just be-head them like these towelheaded scumbags are doing to the civilians over there.I guess you think this is okay,because Ive never seen you once complain about this-you have a VERY warped sense of justice.
posted on December 13, 2004 08:12:47 PM new
No morals start at home, but if parents don't know what they are how can they teach their children. It has to come from somewhere and I will make a bet that all most all of the posters here have gone to Sunday school and are baptized.
When parents let their children dress like they do in school, in their hip hop clothes that show their butt crack, and girls wear their skirts so high it leaves nothing to the imagination. Those are not values to me. What are the parents teaching their children. It's time someone has to take control and if it isn't the Churches then it has to be the schools.
When young adults can disobey the rules, driving when drunk, with out licenses, drugs in cars then have parents stick up for them. Where are the morals of the parents who are supposed to teach their children morals.
Morals are values that Parents should know and teach their children. And if parents do not know what moral values are then they should be going to church to learn them. Someone tell me where else they can get them.
Evidently moral values are lacking in this discussion board when posters use cryptic letters to swear at people.
"Do onto other as you would have others do unto you" That is one of the first values that children are taught in Sunday school.
You asked about Morality and I am answering what I think it is....
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Okay yeager where did I say hip hop clothes are bad. I only referred to the ones that show butt cracks and parents that allow that sort of dress.
I did say drunk driving I do admit that but when someone has realized that and they haven't taken a drink since then I think that is okay.
I guess you and Kiara must keep all posts so that you can prove people wrong. Go ahead I don't mind and I still stick with all the morals I have said. Now when you correct me be sure that you are right....
Just try and get an argument out of me yeager cuz it ain't gonna happen.....
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posted on December 13, 2004 08:26:05 PM new
Helen said - How about all the lies and deliberate deception that started with the bogus election and has continued on an uninterrupted clip throughout the Bush regime with an internationally opposed and internationally illegal war justified to the American people with lies, violation of the Geneva convention with prisoners of war torture, and now, failure to support the troops with adequate armor. What kind of VALUES are those???
Get over it helen. Let go and move on ahead. It does no good to dwell in the past. The liberals keep bringing up the bogus election. What about Gore when he didn't want to count the servicemen & Women's absentee ballots. There is many things Gore did wrong when asking for a recount, but losing the election was the best thing that could have happened.
No on to the violation of the Geneva Convention, Did Pres. Bush torment the prisoners. No. Someone else took it upon herself to do it and she was punished. Now about the armour. Check to see who voted for the war but not the armour. With out the uninamous vote by the senate nothing could be done. Thank your senators Kerry and Edwards for that. I hope they can sleep good knowing that their vote contributed to that.....
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posted on December 13, 2004 08:47:59 PM newI guess you and Kiara must keep all posts so that you can prove people wrong.
Why bring me into it again, Libra63? Just because I called you a couple of times on posts you said you didn't make but were still in plain view for all to read on threads on the main topic page from a few days previous?
I'm not an old fumble brain yet and I have no intention of becoming one after viewing a few of them here.
posted on December 13, 2004 11:40:13 PM new
libra,
Again, hip hop clothes, whatever they are to you have NOTHING to do with morals. Clothes are a matter of personal style and NOT personal character. If you recall, I think that I pointed out to you already that the executives who bilked the Enron accounts were not wearing hip hop clothes. They were very likely wearing expensive suits. Are these people moral?
For you to say that people who wear hip hop clothes is a blatantly bigoted statement. It allows anyone reading it that you see everyone who has the same taste in clothing as bad, wrong and immoral.
That would be like me saying that everyone who wears a suit and tie is going to steal retirement accounts like the Enron gang did.
Bigots are miserable people. Prevent Bigotry through Education.
posted on December 14, 2004 04:19:44 AM newI'm not an old fumble brain yet and I have no intention of becoming one after viewing a few of them here.
Yes Libra. She's a free-thinker with all her own ideas, original words and thoughts!(nerorotorooter posted by der-biscotti in the eo, among others.) LOL!!! She can only plagurize from the fumble brains she views!)
Better watch out for her, Libra...she's really on to you! I bet you cant wait for her to offer you one of her very heartfelt bottom lines like Merry Christmas too!
posted on December 14, 2004 06:33:17 AM new
Yeager, why can't you get something right for a change. Where did I say all hip hop clothes were bad? Point that out to me. What I did say and I have now said it 3 times in this thread. Students who wear hip hop clothes that show the butt crack show that the parents who let these children go to school like that have no morals.
I said nothing about men wearing suits or anything related to that. I was talking about parents teaching children morals. Read Read Read yeager and maybe sometime you will get it right. Don't go and put your spin and what I said.
Yes Kiara you are the one who pulls up old posts, you have to admit that...
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posted on December 14, 2004 07:59:05 AM newYes Kiara you are the one who pulls up old posts, you have to admit that...
Yes, I have shown previous posts to refute some of the BS that burbles here all too often....... too bad when I did it, that it came back to bite you in the azz, eh?! I'm not the only one that has done it either but what in heck does that have to do with a topic I wasn't even posting to?
Libra63, you ever notice that you sign off each night bitchin' to someone (usually yeager) and you start in the same way each morning? Hey! it does give me a smile though.
posted on December 14, 2004 08:12:39 AM new
Boy, if clothing were a sign of moral character, those of us that went through the 60's or 70's would be in big trouble. Remember hot pants and swizzle dresses? Halter tops? Skin tight hip huggers? The ones you had to physically lay on your bed to get zipped?
driving when drunk, with out licenses, drugs in cars
This is certainly nothing new. Been going on for years and years even back in the "moral" 1950's.
And if parents do not know what moral values are then they should be going to church to learn them
Oh, ya, church is a great place to start. Want to venture to guess how many times my best friend went to church higher than a kite? What about the child molesting priests? Plenty of people who go to church have no moral values or have limited values. Think no one in church is having an affair? I know of a few. No one there drives while drunk? I know some of them, too. Wears "hip hop" clothes outside of church? Listens to foul music? Within the church's walls, reside the greatest number of hypocrits.
"Do onto other as you would have others do unto you"
Words well heeded by Bush and his team of hypocrits.
Cheryl
"Success in almost any field depends more on energy and drive than it does on intelligence. This explains why we have so many stupid leaders."
-Sloan Wilson
[ edited by CBlev65252 on Dec 14, 2004 08:13 AM ]
posted on December 14, 2004 08:44:33 AM new
The editor of the New Republic was interviewed about his new editorial in this issue. He said that liberalism should abandoned its attachments to people like Michael Moore and organizations like Moveon.org. He said (which I have said) all this hype about "moral values" is just plain wrong. In the last few elections, people giving this as a rationale about a choice is fairly constant. What HAS changed is a TREMENDOUS shift toward security issues.
He called for a liberal declaration of war against totalitarian Islam. He compared it to how liberalism flourished after WWII because part of its platform was how Communism was anathema to the liberal cause. He said the average American is concerned by the consequences of these ignorant savages and that the introduction of liberalist ideas in these regimes is the key.
posted on December 14, 2004 11:40:36 AM new
libra says,
Students who wear hip hop clothes that show the butt crack show that the parents who let these children go to school like that have no morals.
My son goes to school with low hung pants. I have morals. So are you saying that if a student goes to school on Monday with low hung pants the parents have no morals. But on Tuesday if they wear dress pants, the parents will then have morals? Are you saying the clothing choice of the teen rates the parents morals. If you are, then you are in for a big shock. Most teenage boys wear low hung pants. Now you really don't think that all of the parents are immoral, do you?
What about the over 18 crowd that wear low hung pants? The parents have no legal say over them. Are these parents immoral for the clothing that their adult children wear?
Again, clothes have nothing to do with morals.
classis,
"Now we don our gay apparel, fa,la,la,la,la,la..."
How educated are you? Probably not very well if that is the only thing that you can contribute here. You are a moral christian, right?
Another perfect example of our one liner idiots posting here.
Bigots are miserable people. Prevent Bigotry through Education.
posted on December 14, 2004 12:08:02 PM new
They may have morals, they just don't have any damn control over their kids.
I'm so sick and tired of "it's the fashion" or "what are you going to do?"
My niece and nephew do not have piercings, tatoos, mohawks, or various parts hanging out of their clothes. You know why? It just isn't tolerated. More people should try it some time.
Imagine the concept of saying "no".
Maybe then the rest of us wouldn't be confronted with the hordes of surly, ignorant brats being churned out en masse today.
posted on December 14, 2004 12:18:54 PM new
desquirrel
What right do you have to tell anyone how they should dress or what they can and cannot pierce? Up until 2000, this was a free country. If we, meaning the Democrats, have our way it will return to a free country. If you don't like it, don't look.
Cheryl
"Success in almost any field depends more on energy and drive than it does on intelligence. This explains why we have so many stupid leaders."
-Sloan Wilson
posted on December 14, 2004 12:42:44 PM new
"Maybe then the rest of us wouldn't be confronted with the hordes of surly, ignorant brats being churned out en masse today."
Every generation has it's share of these type of people. It's nothing new.
Bigots are miserable people. Prevent Bigotry through Education.
posted on December 14, 2004 12:58:46 PM new
"What right do you have to tell anyone how they should dress or what they can and cannot pierce?"
Do you have kids? You don't reserve the right to tell them no?? If this is true, watch out, Cleveland. Oh, I forgot, it's already number 1 of the top 10,000 worst places in the nation. Yeah, I've been there, (too many times).
posted on December 14, 2004 01:03:29 PM new
Again the great kiara speaks.
What do you care what I say to yeager unless you are him also. If you notice most of the time I do not enter in the day unlike you who hangs around all day waiting to pounce on people. Since I am a full time babysitter I have things to do during the day. I, most of the time only come in in the morning or late at night. The reason I am here now is that I bid on some auctions and I wanted to see if I won. Is that a problem with you. Funny thing is Yeager has some crap he has posted about what I said so of course I am going to answer him. Another one who hangs around all day just to start arguments. I can #*!@, your words, as much as I want to at least I don't swear at the posters like other posters do. I guess when kiara gives the command to speak that is the only time we can. Get over it kiara this is vendio's board not yours and I will post and say what I want and when I want to.....if you don't like it or don't want to read it put me on ignore.
What would you do if most of us left and then your groupies would have this board all to themselves. What a great place this would be. All hugs and kisses....
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posted on December 14, 2004 01:04:32 PM new
"Do you have kids? You don't reserve the right to tell them no?? If this is true, watch out, Cleveland. Oh, I forgot, it's already number 1 of the top 10,000 worst places in the nation. Yeah, I've been there, (too many times)"
posted on December 14, 2004 02:02:40 PM new
etexbill
Yes, I have kids. They're grown. My son wore pants too big until they fell down on him one day during a family birthday party. They learned the hard way. Those lessons are still with them. They both dress quite nicely now. Forbidding a child only makes them want more of what's forbidden. School is hard enough on teens these days without forcing our adult-ish fashion sense on them. EVERY generation had it's own style. If not, women would still be in corsets and men in stiff collars. Someone had to change the "dress code".
I was a teen in the 1960's and 1970's. My parents said the same thing about the way I dressed. But, they allowed it. Many kids I went to school with were ridiculed because their parents dressed them. Their lives were made hell by other kids. One girl became anorexic at the time and eventually committed suicide. Did I want that ridicule for my kids? I think not. I dress just fine now, thank you very much.
BTW, it's #1 in poverty. It's not rated the worst place to live. A product of the current administration. It's a manufacturing town. A steel town. Jobs lost and sent overseas. Don't blame the people here. If you belittle the people here for that, you are also belittling the south because MOST of the people living here had parents or grandparents who migrated up here from the south because of the jobs that were available here. Their roots are there. (PLEASE - I am not insulting the south. The people here who migrated from the south to Cleveland are hard working decent people. Helen, you know what I mean, LOL!!!) At least we didn't produce a president who robs from the poor and gives to the rich. Texas must be sooooo proud.
And here I thought this board was getting a bit more civil. My bad.
Helen
Great pic!
Cheryl
"Success in almost any field depends more on energy and drive than it does on intelligence. This explains why we have so many stupid leaders."
-Sloan Wilson
[ edited by CBlev65252 on Dec 14, 2004 02:04 PM ]
Prevent Bigotry through Education.
I'm not the only one that has done it either but what in heck does that have to do with a topic I wasn't even posting to?
