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 crowfarm
 
posted on December 23, 2004 08:29:48 AM new
So we finally hear from linduh ....I didn't think we would because besides getting on the cover of Time and starting another Vietnam, bush really hasn't accomplished anything constructive.
And, as usual, linduh cannot face the truth so goes after the poster rather than the post.
Her "twelve" excuse(this time) for not addressing my posts or the topic is that I'm not credible.
Well, sorry, linduh, that stupid remark doesn't prove anything except that "twelve" has to do your thinking for you.

Oh, and linduh is SO civil.....but did you notice( I have pointed this out before) her underhanded , deviousness in using someone else's post to do her dirty work ......?

"""And yes, classicrock, your description of cf's use of magazines as napkins, was right on.""""
She

 
 crowfarm
 
posted on December 23, 2004 08:33:49 AM new
linduh posts...."""""""(Reuters) -- U.S. President George W. Bush's bold, uncompromising leadership and his clear-cut election victory made him Time magazine's Person of the Year for 2004, its managing editor said Sunday.


Time chose Bush "for sticking to his guns (literally and figuratively), for reshaping the rules of politics to fit his 10-gallon-hat leadership style and for persuading a majority of voters this time around that he deserved to be in the White House for another four years," Jim Kelly wrote in the magazine.



Bush was also Time's choice to appear on the cover in 2000 after winning the presidential election despite losing the popular vote.


"Obviously many supporters of the president will be pleased, many people who do not support the president will probably sigh," Kelly said.
"But even those who may not have voted for him will acknowledge that this is one of the more influential presidents of the last 50 years." """"





HERE"S ANOTHER ONE SHE WON'T ANSWER......

linduh, WHERE in that blurb does it say one COMMENDABLE, POSITIVE, GOOD, DECENT, thing bush has done.


READ it , linduh

Uh, it's a publicity gimmick created by Time and does not pick the nicest most honorable person for the photo but, for better or worse, the person who has most influenced events in the preceeding year. Bush qualifies as he has killed and maimed so many people, affecting countless more lives.
It does not mean he is a great man or honorable man as we all know the truth of this devil personified

 
 crowfarm
 
posted on December 23, 2004 08:36:55 AM new
linduhtwelve says, "Thought after two manifestio's he/she'd keep his/her word this time....but obviously his/her word holds no absolutely no credibility at all. "



Well, stupid, where did I give my word I wouldn't be back?
PROVE IT !


You were just HOPING I wouldn't be back to spoil your sick adoration of the Butcher from Texas with the TRUTH.


 
 Libra63
 
posted on December 23, 2004 09:09:40 AM new
"Do you really think any of us give a damn what you think for real or otherwise ?????
Crawl off you stinking garbage. You can't handle the heat anyway."

does this sound familiar. Well I think some of us feel the same about you crowfarm.

Yes linda I noticed that about the posters in this thread. All crying liberals can't get over that their candidate lost. The candidate that was a traitor in the Vietman war.

Now again maggie starts her ranting and raving again now that her partner crowfarm as returned. Maggie was civil for a short time and now back to her old postings now that buddy crowfarm has reentered the picture. To bad.




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 Libra63
 
posted on December 23, 2004 09:28:32 AM new
Here's crowfarms exit speech.

Words by crowfarm------------
"Well, stupid, where did I give my word I wouldn't be back?
PROVE IT !"

"So, here's a big boost to their fragile, delicate egos....they've chased me off the RT. They can now grunt and beat their fists on their bony little chests (or beat their wives or whatever they do to celebrate their giant accomplishments in life). I can't take a chance of them messing with my auctions which are part of my income. And, people this low will.
So, it's been entertaining but I won't miss it a bit.
Now let the grunting begin!!!!!!!!!!Bye"

Where does it say you will return??????






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 davebraun
 
posted on December 23, 2004 09:43:45 AM new
Crone number one in support of crone number two. Fortunately at their advanced age there's no certainty they will survive the next year... and that's a good thing

 
 Linda_K
 
posted on December 23, 2004 10:42:25 AM new
Boy....the ultra-ultra left hatefilled posters sure are coming out from under the base-boards. No surprise there. Didn't win? .. take it out on those who supported the WINNER...by a vote of the people.


sore losers and hatefilled is all you are.

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Novak had it right a few months back.....the hate coming from the democrat party is and has been much different than they've EVER shown.


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In the past, liberals made a point of hating hatred. They imagined that the forces of hate were entirely on the other side: "Right-wing hate merchants." Now they have begun publicly to glory in hate, first writing articles explaining why hatred of Bush is okay, then being pleasured by the ferocity of their own hatred, then competing with others to see who can voice the most intense disdain, and who can curl from his lips the most deliciously forbidden insults. The Left has engaged in an orgy of hatred. And enjoyed it, really enjoyed it.


that certainly is shown to be true here from several of the 'lefties' postings.


WHY BUSH?
When one looks at Bush, and then at the hatred nurtured for him, it is very hard to grasp the connection. Why? Why do they hate him so?
There is something so innocent, direct, fresh-faced, open, Tom Sawyerish in George Bush's manner — something so western, Christian, decent, even kind. And there is such candor in his eyes and behavior that the ferocity of the hatred aimed at him seems completely out of proportion. The hatred is a suit that ill fits him. Nevertheless, George W. Bush has been re-conceived and re-wrought into everything that the sophisticated Leftist absolutely hates about Americana: Its innocence. Its boyishness. Its Christianity. Its unpretentiousness. Its heedlessness of all the shibboleths the Left most highly values.
And, in addition, the president exercises unsuspected political skills. The man has actually won most of the political fights he's taken on. And he has turned the country in a far more Reaganite direction than anyone ever imagined under that anodyne term, "compassionate conservatism."
Personalizing Social Security? Cutting the teachers' unions out of total control of the schools? Supplanting the governmental plantation with private charitable initiatives, which actually show better success rates than the welfare state?


The handwriting is on the wall, piercing through the dreams of the big-government Left, foretelling the end of the social-democratic illusion.
How did this hick have the nerve to be so radical in government — he who so barely won the election of 2000? (Stole it, the most bitter partisans still say, despite all the studies disproving it.) How did he have the nerve?
The Right tends to think that the Left is stupid — never learns, keeps repeating the same old errors. The Left is different. The Left tends to think that the Right is mean, narrow, selfish, evil (on top of being stupid). I once had a professor at Harvard who was trying to explain what it was like for Immanuel Kant, the greatest philosopher of his time, to have succeeded in winning a teaching position only in Konigsberg, far from the glittering list of leading universities in Germany. That would be, he said, like winning tenure at...at...at Ohio State. (So superior do Harvard professors feel toward Middle American universities.) In this spirit, the Left also thinks the congenitally evil, conservative Bush is also stupid and second-rate.



Who is Bush to drive the last nails into the coffin of social democracy, and all those big-government dreams? The Left can feel the demography slipping away from them, and the strong currents of the future, too, and the bilious taste of failed ideas rising in their throats. It is now or never for the Left. It is desperation time.



THE GREAT PRETENDERS
The Left has always had to disguise, cover over, be silent about its most dynamic left-wing momentum and ultimate purposes. It has always called its left-wingers (like Ted Kennedy) "moderates." Its socialists are described as "liberals," its liberals as "middle-of-the-roaders" or "pragmatists." Its turbo-charged source of inner energy is not the socialist dream, but only "the vital center."
On the left, there are no "ultra-leftists." "Ultra" is a term reserved for the Right.
At election time, the Left pretends to be more religious than it really is, and more centrist than it has any desire ever to be. It cannot succeed without donning masks. It cannot flourish without telling the most awful lies about its opposition, and even about itself. Learning how to be a (successful) leftist is to learn elaborate codes of speech and instruments of disguise.
Conservatives may be hypocrites, in not living up to standards to which they repair (and more credit to them for holding to standards better than they are, in whose light their own faults are mercilessly made clear). But they almost never harbor any ideology about the future, which they would have to disguise. Most are defending the way things have been, are, and should properly be in America. Marx may call this "false consciousness" in service to an un-admitted ideology, but in fact conservatives are simply people who think their grandparents and earlier ancestors were at least as wise as, even wiser than, they.



Then, too, the Left has developed a tic about neoconservatives. again as stated here so many, many times.



These former leftists (for a former leftist is what a neoconservative is, of the first generation anyway) do have a vision of the future, a bright vision to rival that of the Left. They fight the Left, ideology for ideology, policy proposal for policy proposal, class analysis for class analysis. The neoconservatives side with the conservatives on most issues, but with an attitude, and an aim, and a determination. They are, in the life of the intellect, warriors. Their sharpest weapon is the reality check. That is their comparative advantage over the Left. They have been "mugged by" and won over to reality. The Left has lost argument after argument to the neoconservatives for the past 20 years — has proved to be on the wrong side of reality on issue after issue — and hence reserves for the neoconservatives a special loathing.





George W. Bush turns out to have been far closer to the neoconservatives (though he is not one) than Ann Richards and Al Gore ever believed possible. True enough, he is no intellectual, and would not want to be one. Still, his mind is quicker, of a more tempered steel, and honed to a more acute practicality than lazy-minded leftists before 2001 ever allowed themselves to imagine. They "misunderestimated" him then, and still do.
George Bush wants to change the country's direction. He wants each person to own and to be able to will to his children the unused portion of his Social Security. He wants to make personal responsibility the central principle of our common life. He wants a more compassionate, initiative-taking citizenry, less passive and less dependent upon government. Help for the needy, but not help that is that is condescending and incapacitating.



VOTE FOR HOPE
By contrast, the Democrats love the dependency of citizens on government and wish constantly to increase that dependency, as the key to their own power, the shepherds over the sheep. Listen closely when they talk about health care or education; you will hear "government" and new "dependency" loud and clear. The Democrats are fighting to preserve their big-government state. An old idea, a tired idea, an illusory idea.



With half the presidential race to go, George Bush is still talking about responsibility, bravery, hope, and opportunity as he did before 2000. Following Howard Dean, though, the Democrats have discovered the illicit pleasures of hatred. Hatred has empowered their campaign, lifting it from nowhere to a close race.
The Democrats will try to hide this. As the election proceeds, John Kerry will put new skins on his arms and alter his voice and mimic George Bush on just about everything — conservative values, hope, opportunity, his policies in Iraq: the same as Bush's. He will be the "me, too" candidate. That has already begun.
Beneath the surface, though, everyone will feel the heat of hate. The Democrats cannot help themselves. I am not at all sure that their hatred will defeat them. But it ought to.

http://www.nationalreview.com/novak/novak200407230845.asp


— Michael Novak is the winner of the 1994 Templeton Prize for progress in religion and the George Frederick Jewett Scholar in Religion, Philosophy, and Public Policy at the American Enterprise Institute. Novak's own website is www.michaelnovak.net.
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Four More Years....YES!!! [ edited by Linda_K on Dec 23, 2004 10:49 AM ]
 
 davebraun
 
posted on December 23, 2004 10:52:03 AM new
Linda screw you and your hate filled rhetoric.


 
 classicrock000
 
posted on December 23, 2004 10:54:39 AM new
"Crone number one in support of crone number two. Fortunately at their advanced age there's no certainty they will survive the next year... and that's a good thing"


your right! Whos wants crowfart back in here anyway??

 
 logansdad
 
posted on December 23, 2004 11:10:57 AM new
what's the body count up to now??

1325
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
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"Give it up for George W. Bush, the best friend international jihad ever had."
 
 maggiemuggins
 
posted on December 23, 2004 11:30:44 AM new
Excuse me Libra.. do I not have the right to defend myself?.. I was doing fine until Classic decided to drag my name into his spew. And I might add that you only object to my posts or Crows.. but you let Classic use the C*nt word, the c*M word etc.. and you never say a word about that, now do you.Perhaps you prefer their crude language?
I will continue to defend myself when ever anyone decides to attack me.. whether you like it or not..

Now as far as being sore about my candidate not winning the election goes.. let me once more try to get it through your thick republican skulls...

I am not sore about Kerry losing the election..

I never said that he was my choice to lead the Democrat party...but I am ashamed of you calling a man who fought in a war for his country a traitor.. when your coward candidate hid behind his daddy's money and stayed home, just as his daughters are doing in this war.. deja vu...

what I am sore about, to use your words.. is about having a war monger, re-elected....and feeding our youth to his war,like so many pounds of meat through a meat grinder... a war that he was in such a big hurry to declare...as dumb as dirt.. jumps in before even considering the consequences of such a rash act. So until he sends his own daughters, to be killed along with the rest.. I will continue to disrespect him.

Linda, I do know that a persons word is their honor.. but I also believe a person has the right and the common sense to change their mind, if it is necessary or if they have become enlightened... I am hoping for the latter to happen to you one day.. it is not honorable to hold to your word or convictions when proved to be wrong, or evil.
I can only hope that one day you will see this war for what it is..Bush's evil blood bath.
Maggie
 
 logansdad
 
posted on December 23, 2004 11:33:09 AM new
Linda: Boy....the ultra-ultra left hatefilled posters sure are coming out from under the base-boards. No surprise there. Didn't win? .. take it out on those who supported the WINNER...by a vote of the people.


Get over it Linda. This has nothing to do with the election results. We are over that (or at least I am).

Why time chose Bush I will never know. Why they would pick someone who misled the American people about the war, someone who does not have strategy about the current situation in Iraq other than "stay the course", someone who did not properly support the troops by giving them what they need to fight HIS WAR, someone who had to be persuaded by the majority of Americans before he acts (creating the Homeland security department, establishing the 9/11 commission, creating the CIA Czar just to name a few), someone who has created the biggest deficit in American history and know because he was elected is trying to cut the deficit, someone who is despised across the globe.


Bush is not a leader. He is running this country like he ran his failed businesses, only this time there is no one to help bail him out or can you bankrupt the federal governement?


Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
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"Give it up for George W. Bush, the best friend international jihad ever had."
 
 Linda_K
 
posted on December 23, 2004 12:19:08 PM new
logansdad - I was referring to the hateful comments many [most] on the ultra left spew at posters who hold different political views. They are hatefilled....and supported a loser.


Obviously The Times disagrees with how you and other lefties here see President Bush when they said:
(Reuters) -- U.S. President George W. Bush's bold, uncompromising leadership and his clear-cut election victory made him Time magazine's Person of the Year for 2004, its managing editor said Sunday.
Time chose Bush "for sticking to his guns (literally and figuratively), for reshaping the rules of politics to fit his 10-gallon-hat leadership style and for persuading a majority of voters this time around that he deserved to be in the White House for another four years," Jim Kelly wrote in the magazine.
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It's already clear many here don't support this President's re-election. That is not how the majority of voters felt though. And those who are unhappy with his re-election will be living through it whether they like it or not....and that frustration appears to me to be an effect of why they can't be civil in their postings....why they're hateful. Nothing to do with the Times article.

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maggie says: but I am ashamed of you calling a man who fought in a war for his country a traitor.. when your coward candidate hid behind his daddy's money and stayed home, just as his daughters are doing in this war...




President Bush was given an HONORABLE DISCHARGE for serving, as did many during the VN war, his country. No coward there. Had he been called on to serve he would have...he wasn't. kerry's request for a draft deferment, that was denied, is something you lefties continue to ignore. And he was a traitor to all who served when he returned home. Should have been tried for treason then. But good ol' Carter most likely was responsible for him not being tried. He was no hero - as the left tried so hard to make him appear. He got out of VN within 16 weeks...while other men served their full terms....they weren't cowards like he was.


what I am sore about, to use your words.. is about having a war monger, re-elected

You can be sore all you want...didn't change the outcome of this past election because most were able to see the democratic party doesn't have what it takes to protect this country. President Bush does.



Linda, I do know that a persons word is their honor..but I also believe a person has the right and the common sense to change their mind, if it is necessary or if they have become enlightened... LOL ROFLMHO - and you're applying this to cf? Her/his word has NO HONOR and is filled with vile, vulgarities all the time. You choose to excuse her/his behavior that's all.




I am hoping for the latter to happen to you one day..it is not honorable to hold to your word or convictions when proved to be wrong, or evil.


Don't talk to me about honor when you just finished supporting cf who hasn't a clue what the word even stands for...and you make excuses for him/her. how funny you are.
Please don't hold your breath waiting for change from me. I fully believe I voted the right man into office and I also believe it's going to be a very cold day in 'hel1' before we see another democrat winning the highest office in this country. Especially one as ultra left as kerry was. The majority of people in this country still want a President who is willing to support American values/morals...and defend this Nation too.

I can only hope that one day you will see this war for what it is..Bush's evil blood bath. And I can only hope that one day you will see there are serious threats to our way of life out there....and measures HAVE to be taken to deal with them. We re-elected a man who has the balls to do just that....not a dem who thinks he can 'talk' or 'ignore' the threats and they will just disappear. Or we can bow down to the terrorists threats like Spain did. Yeh...that worked real well for them ....NOT!!!



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Four More Years....YES!!! [ edited by Linda_K on Dec 23, 2004 12:26 PM ]
 
 maggiemuggins
 
posted on December 23, 2004 12:43:00 PM new
to protect this country. President Bush does.


Protect us? From SH and all those WMD?

Protect us by ruining our economy, our reputation, protect our youth as he sends them to their death fighting a war that he started without just cause?

Protect our seniors from those poisonous, unsafe drugs from Canada, protect us from having a government sponsored health care which would allow all to be treated equally.. protects us from what else......? Oh I forgot protects us from the real terrorists, like OBL....oops.. NOT!!

As far as your statement about people being hateful in their postings, being sore losers etc.. may I remind you that your candidate won just a little over half of the entire country's votes...almost half voted against him.. so before you get to cocky about how wonderful he is.. remember half of the entire country does not share your opinions!So don't expect a warm embrace for the man who half the country loathes..

Your posts don't exactly drip with civility and kindness either..
 
 Libra63
 
posted on December 23, 2004 03:21:54 PM new
Maggie you do have to admit, and I did compliment you, when crowfarm left your demeanor changed and changed for the good. You posted many great threads with no offensive language. She returned and you immediately went back to the way you were before she left.

If you look back I honestly don't answer classics threads. Many times I have posted about how I don't like the cryptic ways swear words are written, but why do they have to use those words at all. Is it to show power or ignorance? I honestly don't think a discussion board has to be like that but maybe I am old fashion. There have been very few threads started that haven't ended up in a political fashion even the cooking ones.




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 Libra63
 
posted on December 23, 2004 03:40:05 PM new
Maggie I think you have me confused with someone else. When did I say this? what I am sore about, to use your words.. is about having a war monger, re-elected....and feeding our youth to his war,like so many pounds of meat through a meat grinder... a war that he was in such a big hurry to declare...as dumb as dirt.. jumps in before even considering the consequences of such a rash act. So until he sends his own daughters, to be killed along with the rest.. I will continue to disrespect him.

Well maggie I think you had better read about Mr. Kerry and Jane Fonda when they went in front of the communists in Vietnam.
How their pictures hang in the communist museum. I would consider that a traitor.

Tell me why do the Bush girls have to go to war if the Kerry Girls don't. Kerry voted for the war...

What about when Kennedy called up the entire Wisconsin National Guard 32nd division because of the Bay of Pigs. I guess it is easy to see that you are against administration this time but not back then.

War is ugly and has been ugly since the beginning and men and women have lost their lives for which is sad, but our country is free because of them. The families gave the ultimate sacrifice. Boys age 14 quit school enlisted in the army in WWII just to be part of it. Did you forget Tillman who gave up his millions to protect you and I.



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 davebraun
 
posted on December 23, 2004 03:46:00 PM new
Wasn't Tillman killed by friendly fire, by poorly trained troops.

 
 Libra63
 
posted on December 23, 2004 03:56:07 PM new
Come on maggie, Clinton ran his reelection on National Health Care and it didn't pan out. Bush has said nothing about National Health Care.

It will take longer than 4 years to develop a national health care that will take care of everyone. Right now most states have in place health care for the poor. I think if you go to the website USgovernment.org and click on a state you can see what health care there is available.

If you think we could have a system like Canada you are wrong. There system is adequate and don't you want more than adequate health care. We will see more Physicians taking retirement and less and less students taking medicine. That is a given. Do you think students want to spend thousand and thousands of dollars going to school for 12 years or more to end up with less and less salary.




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 maggiemuggins
 
posted on December 23, 2004 04:26:43 PM new
Libra.. I don't feel like arguing...it is Christmas...time to enjoy the season and pray for peace..

We all are entitled to our opinions here on the RT.. let's just agree to disagree, okay?

The Election is over....let's just get on with getting on and work toward a brighter future...

Happy Holidays! Maggie
 
 logansdad
 
posted on December 23, 2004 04:36:02 PM new
So much for Bush the humanitarian.

WASHINGTON, Dec. 21 - In one of the first signs of the effects of the ever tightening federal budget, in the past two months the Bush administration has reduced its contributions to global food aid programs aimed at helping millions of people climb out of poverty.

With the budget deficit growing and President Bush promising to reduce spending, the administration has told representatives of several charities that it was unable to honor some earlier promises and would have money to pay for food only in emergency crises like that in Darfur, in western Sudan. The cutbacks, estimated by some charities at up to $100 million, come at a time when the number of hungry in the world is rising for the first time in years and all food programs are being stretched.

As a result, Save the Children, Catholic Relief Services and other charities have suspended or eliminated programs that were intended to help the poor feed themselves through improvements in farming, education and health.

The rest of the story is here:
http://www.kintera.org/site/pp.asp?c=irKQL0NSE&b=275581&sid=44002088

Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
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"Give it up for George W. Bush, the best friend international jihad ever had."
 
 Libra63
 
posted on December 23, 2004 05:09:24 PM new
I am not argueing with you Maggie. Just keeping the postings straight as to what I said and didn't say.

I guess you just like to answer the off color posters. But then of course they are men and that is what you like.

So you are telling me you believe in Christmas, if so have a happy one.


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 crowfarm
 
posted on December 23, 2004 05:42:51 PM new
Libra says, "Bush has said nothing about National Health Care. "


For once, Libra, you're right. Isn't it a disgrace that he has said (and done) nothing about one of the biggest problems in America today.


 
 crowfarm
 
posted on December 23, 2004 05:48:22 PM new
LalaLibra says,""""""""""Libra63
posted on December 23, 2004 09:28:32 AM

Here's crowfarms exit speech.

Words by crowfarm------------
"Well, stupid, where did I give my word I wouldn't be back?
PROVE IT !"

"So, here's a big boost to their fragile, delicate egos....they've chased me off the RT. They can now grunt and beat their fists on their bony little chests (or beat their wives or whatever they do to celebrate their giant accomplishments in life). I can't take a chance of them messing with my auctions which are part of my income. And, people this low will.
So, it's been entertaining but I won't miss it a bit.
Now let the grunting begin!!!!!!!!!!Bye"

Where does it say you will return?????? """""






Where Oh Where, old senile one, do I say I will never be back. You and the other neonazicons in here just wish I wouldn't come back Wishing ain't gonna make it true, too bad!


 
 crowfarm
 
posted on December 23, 2004 05:55:31 PM new
LalaLibra's idea of civility........
"""But prof-lets face it Clintons a pig-he shot his wad all over Monicas dress-the least he could have done was cum on her face..the man has no social grace.""""""




By the way we were discussing the NON-honor of bush being on the cover of Time .

Who started the "hate" theme....maybe this....."""""Linda-yeagers right-there are many uses for these old magazines.Crowfart uses the George Bush mags for napkins as she always has diarrhea of the mouth. I have a couple of uses for the old Bill Clinton mags-One is I use them for cat liners for my cats litter box-I love to see her pee on Bill Clintons face and knowing what a disgusting pervert he is, I know he enjoys this.Another one is I use Bill Clinton mags to wipe ass with face up as I mutter eat sh*t and die you mangy piece of crap.""""""



 
 maggiemuggins
 
posted on December 23, 2004 05:58:33 PM new
Libra..why do you feel the need to insult me every time you post? I simply said I wasn't in the mood to argue..
Why do you say guess you just like to answer the off color posters. But then of course they are men and that is what you like"

I think that is very rude of you to say things about me like that. I try to be civil and then you turn around and insult me for no reason... then if I retaliate, you accuse me of being a bad mouth.

you can't insult and make slurs about people and expect them to sit back and take it without responding.

Since you seem to think that I have offended you by not responding to your questions.. let me assure you that is not the case at all.. I am just tired tonight after a long day of shopping, wrapping gifts and delivering goodies to neighbor children who are in need this Christmas..

I am sure you would find fault with my answers anyway..so what's the point..
Oh and of course I believe in Christmas!
Happy Holidays..
 
 classicrock000
 
posted on December 23, 2004 07:09:31 PM new
yea...but do you believe in Santa Claus????








[ edited by classicrock000 on Dec 23, 2004 07:09 PM ]
 
 kraftdinner
 
posted on December 23, 2004 07:32:34 PM new
Libra, the U.S. DOES want a health care system like Canada has because it works. The only ones that poo-poo the idea are republicans because of the big donations they get from insurance companies. Clinton tried to push socialized health care forward but was met with strong opposition because it would have meant a big tax increase.

 
 Libra63
 
posted on December 23, 2004 08:29:26 PM new
There is faults in any health care system and before the US tackles that problem they have to figure out where to get the funding from I agree. Right now with medicaid & medicare it is costing plenty. KD do your taxes compare with the US taxes? I don't have any idea about that. Besides my supplementary my medicare costs me $78.00 a month and I still have to pay some out of pocket expenses. There are some physicians that only take medicare payments. With my medicare I get a mammogram every year, pap smear every two years, colonoscopy every other year free.

Canadian Health Care System

http://www.canadian-healthcare.org/index.html

1 primary care physician for every 1000 patients........
If you don't belong to a private health care provider you might wait months for an MRI.

High taxes is one reason not to rush into a federally funded health care system. The HMO's tried to tell the physicians how to treat patients and those have fallen by the wayside. do you think if we had national health care the government would do the same thing. Physicians need to treat according to the illness and with government involvement would they be able to?

I don't want to start any arguments but a debate would be great.....



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[ edited by Libra63 on Dec 24, 2004 10:10 PM ]
 
 rustygumbo
 
posted on December 24, 2004 12:01:32 PM new
Linduh- once again you can't accept that Bush didn't win a mandate. In fact, he may not have won this election to begin with. I suppose if these recounts in Ohio get done we'll find out for sure.

The intelligent people across this country and the rest of the world know the truth about Bush and stupid lemmings like you. I'm sure you'll be the one proud dumb person when one of your family members are killed in Iraq because we went to war based on a complete fabrication. Only then will you understand what that is like. Until then, you're too stupid to understand what the intelligent, or what you refer to as "liberals" and the rest of the world understand and see.



 
 kraftdinner
 
posted on December 24, 2004 12:44:52 PM new
Libra, yes, our taxes are higher because Canadians decided they would rather pay more money in taxes in order that EVERYONE could be privy to health care. Mr. Big-Shot-Money-Bags gets the same treatment as Mr. Bum - the way it should be, imo.

I'm glad that you're receiving proper health care Libra, but many don't. Many middle class people bring in just enough to live on but not enough for health care insurance. They live in constant fear of getting really sick because they know it could wipe them out financially. So, a middle class person gets very sick - it wipes them out - they go on welfare - then who pays for their health care and housing? Your system makes no sense to me, BUT if I was in the medical insurance business, it would be the only way that does makes sense. Now you know who writes all this crap about how bad the Canadian health care system is. Same as illegal drugs. it's the big drug dealers who contribute the most money to anti-drug propaganda campaigns.



 
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