posted on January 25, 2005 08:16:51 PM new
Classic because medicine isn't an exact science and Physicians are not perfect. Boy if they were that would be a miracle but the public has a choice if you don't like your diagnosis go for a second opinion. If a parent doesn't like the teacher tough. You take what you get....no second opinion there.
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posted on January 25, 2005 08:25:46 PM new
No, stupid Libra doesn't want anything to do with unions.....just SUCK up like a fat pig the benefits like 40 hour work weeks, paid vacation, paid sick days, benefits. Things that we got due to the efforts of UNIONS.
But I'm not surprised at her tired, trite attitude...her dad probably told her that 50 years ago and you know Libra...no new idea will ever enter that fossilized old head.
posted on January 25, 2005 08:31:02 PM newAnd Maggie what does spelling have to do with taking x-rays, well Mammograms.Evidently you are stupid when it comes to that, Oh no did I call Maggie stupid, Yks.
I just don't understand why posters can't keep a civil tongue in their mouth.. when they post..no.. some have to always use naughty words and cryptic writing and call names.. sound familiar loony-tunes? LOL..LOL
uh..seems like you aren't practicing what you are always preaching..Libidoo
This is a case of your words turning around and biting you in the ass!heeheehee
Okay miss X-Ray Tech.. what did the doctors do.. draw a leg to tell you what to x-ray with an x to mark the spot.. so you are telling me that you didn't have to know how to read and write to qualify for your job!
COOL!
Loony-tunes.. do you cackle when you laugh?
Do you dance naked around a cauldron of steaming medimucil anticipating a good cleansing...just curious..
posted on January 25, 2005 08:39:16 PM new
No only people in Mississipp do that.
If you had a ounce of brain in that head of yours maggie you would be dangerous.
When you don't know anything about a profession why not just button you lip. Better yet quit typing.
posted on January 25, 2005 09:12:03 PM new
tsk..tsk.. watch the blood pressure, now loony-tunes..
lOl.. name calling again and making disparaging remarks about the good people of Mississippi.. shame, shame old girl... naughty words, and cryptic messages..
I'm frankly amazed that you didn't have to know how to read and write to get that diploma..LOL..did you learn it all in a song.. the knee bone's connected to the shin bone, the shin bone's connected to the ankle bone..the ankle bone's connected to the foot bone...your skull bone's stuck up your butt bone...la la la
posted on January 25, 2005 09:41:22 PM new
replay - I am currently working on my Bachelors Degree. That's GREAT!! Good for you.
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profe - I haven't seen anyone here saying the ONLY problem with our schools are the teachers. I think you're reading something in somewhere because no one mention that.
But we can't control what parents do...how they raise or neglect their children even though most here, imo, would agree that's a big part of the problem. But we can get accountibility from the schools/teachers/students to see who is being successful and who's failing. I have never been able to figure out why the left is so against that. It wasn't working the way it was....and, imo, at least this is trying something different - long overdue. It may not be the solution either...but it's something new and could work well if given time and IF it got more teacher cooperation rather than some of them digging in their heels and complaining about it. I read a wonderful example from WA state...that said NCLB was VERY successful there. Why would that be, in your opinion?
What we were doing wasn't working....do you think we should have left it that way?
And when I read your post...I feel you'd have a lot of ideas to offer for changes that need to be made - you have an insiders view. Why aren't the teachers associations/unions doing the same thing? No...all they ask for is more money, less hours, less students and less student accountability on their test scores. Too many support this notion that they don't want to make the students feel bad by giving them [say] a well deserved D or F as a grade. Their feelings would be hurt...they'd suffer embarassment from their peers. That's what is discouraging to parents who do care when they read of this nonsense.
And you mentioned about not being about to please parents when 'value' issues are taught. [Like if some are happy, then other's are not. A can't win situation.] So...wouldn't it just be good idea/beginning to just go back to basics and eliminate all the other 'social' stuff while focusing on actually teaching the basics....like they did 40-50 years ago?
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posted on January 26, 2005 04:04:08 AM newprofe - I haven't seen anyone here saying the ONLY problem with our schools are the teachers. I think you're reading something in somewhere because no one mention that.
Sorry, I guess statements like these are what caused me to misunderstand. That and the fact that nobody mentions anything else as part of the problem.
That's the most major roadblock for making any changes in the schools....the teachers unions.
Profe, you have to admitt that the teachers union is one of the strongest in the country. I think tenure needs to be redone and it shouldn't be given after two years. Not every teacher is good and I think evaluations have to be given and if they don't perform up to standard , as in other jobs out they go but with tenure they can't touch that teacher.
OK, but the responsible parties that do set curriculum's are teacher association members and subscribe to a mind set that is in lock-step with many of the major failings in our educational system.
The teachers unions control the schools and everything that goes on there. To believe otherwise is to be denying reality. The unions don't work in the best interests of our school children....they're just like any other business in that they are for the TEACHERS best interests....and that's exactly why the school system has been failing way too many of our young people.
I read a wonderful example from WA state...that said NCLB was VERY successful there. Why would that be, in your opinion?
Beats me. What exactly were you reading? In a study of reading proficiency test results just released by the Rand Corporation, Washington state is pretty close to the bottom of the heap:
Pass rates for middle school students ranged from 21 percent in South Carolina to 94 percent in Massachusetts. Twelve jurisdictions had pass rates below 50 percent for middle school students — Arkansas, California, District of Columbia, Florida, Hawaii, Maine, Missouri, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Vermont, Washington and Wyoming.
Looks like both of your own states are mentioned there too.
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posted on January 26, 2005 05:21:32 AM new
LOL profe....just a little MORE than a little sensitive I'd say....especially coming from one who says his district doesn't even have a union. Taking it so personal when unions are being talked about. We weren't speaking about anything else? So that's what 'lit' your fuse huh?
And the Rand results you posted just go to show where the most help is needed. And it isn't in teachers unions continuing to fight against testing and teacher accountability so we can become aware of who and where the students who need the most help are and get rid of the teachers that aren't helping the situation.
Arkansas is a poor state on the whole....CA is NOT. But we can see by your post that all the money being thrown at the CA schools all these years still doesn't appear to be helping like people might expectd it would. So...given some time...just maybe, making accountability more of an issue WILL improve their ratings.
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posted on January 26, 2005 05:27:53 AM new
Isn't it funny that the neocons think teachers should be held accountable for their performance but not doctors ....what illogical nincompoops!
posted on January 26, 2005 06:01:15 AM new
Where did you see that crowfart? Lots of people should be held accountable, including dishonest internet sellers...
posted on January 26, 2005 06:18:39 AM new
Kathleen Parke, Knight Ridder/Tribune. Kathleen Parker is a syndicated columnist for the Orlando Sentinel, a Tribune newspaper
Published January 26, 2005
Among the many blessings I have failed to fully appreciate is my exemption--thanks to my children's advanced years--from having to know much about SpongeBob SquarePants.
Until recently, I've been only blandly aware of the cartoon character and his underwater cohorts. I've now learned that SpongeBob--an otherwise blithering sea sponge--is really a covert operative for The Homosexual Agenda.
For those otherwise distracted, SpongeBob is the protagonist in both a movie and a television series. Hugely popular among the kindergartene-2nd grade set, he sometimes holds hands with heroes Mermaid Man and Barnacle Boy, which supposedly accounts for SpongeBob's reputed popularity among gays.
And hence the notion that his appearance in a new video, "We Are Family"--aimed at teaching schoolchildren about diversity and tolerance--is really a subterfuge for the pro-homosexual agenda.
The SpongeBob saga has gained plenty of attention--what with gay activists on one side and heaven's gatekeepers on the other. James Dobson, founder of the conservative Christian lobbying group Focus on the Family, said the video promotes a pro-homosexual agenda. The American Family Association's Ed Vitagliano wrote in the conservative Christian "family values" advocacy group's journal that the project's subtext is celebrating homosexuality.
The video, scheduled to be aired next month on networks and distributed to 61,000 schools, was conceived shortly after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks as a way of teaching tolerance in a hate-filled world, say its creators. The idea was that teaching children in their tender years to respect differences would pay off in the long run, leading to a cheerier world in which, presumably, Middle Eastern religious nuts wouldn't fly planes into buildings.
Somehow, I think they've missed their target audience, but never mind. Making the video doubtless made many grownups feel better about their own sorrows and helped move them toward that utopian finale so favored by the bracelet-and-ribbon-wearing population: Healing 'n' Closure.
There's now a We Are Family Foundation, a Web site (wearefamilyfoundation.org), a letter-writing campaign urging that March 11 be declared national "We Are Family Day" and, of course, ways to contribute money.
In fact, SpongeBob plays a minor role in the video and seems to have been unfairly impugned. While I vigorously favor protecting children from phase-inappropriate discussions of sexuality, I don't see it here. That said, there's still plenty to cringe about if you're more sympathetically inclined toward "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest's" Randle Patrick McMurphy than Nurse Mildred Ratched.
What Dobson, Vitagliano and others really are objecting to is that kids viewing the video might be inspired to visit the "We Are Family" Web site and happen upon the Tolerance Pledge, by which one promises to respect all people, even those whose "abilities, beliefs, culture, race, sexual identity or other characteristics are different from my own."
Respecting all people is hardly a radical idea for Christians, but Dobson says on his Web site that inclusion of sexual identity in the pledge "crosses a moral line." Personally, I'm still puzzling over "other characteristics." In any case, the pledge seems unlikely to traumatize children, who probably won't find it interesting, if they find it at all. It isn't mentioned in the video and is available only on the foundation's Web site.
If teachers decide to incorporate the Tolerance Pledge into their class curriculum, then that's a matter for closer scrutiny and Dobson is right. In the meantime, there's no coercion here. We're unlikely to witness droves of brainwashed tykes reciting diversity pledges to the annoyance of their beer-swilling parents.
And it would be annoying, let's be clear.
What the SpongeBob controversy has revealed is that pledging allegiance to diversity and tolerance is religion by any other name--just as irksome to the devout as Dobson and Vitagliano are to the secular. The purveyors of Feel Good Vibes can be just as dogmatic and unyielding as those who condemn from the pulpit. Whether defending literal scripture or advancing bumper-sticker virtue, the self-anointed protectorate are essentially cut from the same cloth.
And they're likely bound for similar rewards. For what we know about human beings is that people tend to resist that which is imposed from on high. By some natural law that we might call "SpongeBob's Ironic Rule of Reverse Effects," channelers of piety usually exact the opposite of what they intend.
There's nothing like a preacher railing against sin to whet one's appetite for iniquity. And there's nothing like force-feeding children a diet of dogma to turn the little darlings into intolerant totalitarian tyrants. Or angry renegades who will seek an outlet for their rage.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
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posted on January 26, 2005 06:54:55 AM new
My loyal groupie, twelve says,
"Where did you see that crowfart? Lots of people should be held accountable, including dishonest internet sellers... "
1)Where did I see that...duh...in here, in the RT....see , twelve, this is where we are...yoohoo twelve....
2)"lots of people should be held accountable" ...duhh...ya, think ?
3)"dishonest internet sellers"....now YOU tell ME where you saw THAT........
posted on January 26, 2005 07:19:31 AM new
"i.e. My sister was a teacher for 40 years. Retired at 55 with some unbelievable benefits"
LOL Libra..okay I guess my math is bad,maybe thats why I dont have alot of money
No,Im not a math teacher...I guess if I was I'd be fired the first day.However I pasted you what said a couple of days ago and tell me what
Im missing here.
You said your sister was a teacher for 40 years-correct??
You also said she retired at age 55-correct??
Now I now my math is bad,but when I subtract 40 from 55 I come out with 15.You had me so convinced that I was wrong,I did the math on my trusty calculator 7 times and darn it, it still came out to 15.Tell what I did wrong before I lose all my money in my checking account.
As far as paying for your masters degree,well I wasnt entirely wrong-in N.Y. you have pay for all the courses you take to earn your masters-and they are expensive to say the least.
posted on January 26, 2005 07:43:24 AM new
"I don't believe in unions, I would never join a union. Unions only protect the workers who don't abide by rules.
and don't do their job. Tough to fire a union worker. I have seen first hand what unions do and I want no part of them. JMHO"
You dont believe in unions???LOL!!
Tell me Libra,what if you were doing a teriffic
job where you work,and for some reason you and your boss had a big fight and he/she deceided to fire you even thou your work was good-what would you do then?? What if your boss was a male and he made unwanted sexual advances upon you-what would you do then?? What if your boss gave you every dirty job in the place to do becuase he/she didnt didnt like you-what would you do then?? You have no one to turn to help you out or complain to. That staement that unions only protect workers who dont abide by the rules and dont do their job is TOTAL HOGWASH.I belonged to a union and I did a fine job for 36 years.When I retired,Im now making more money then when I was working.I also have free health insurance until Im eligable for Medicare.This is what unions are for,to make sure you have benefits and a nice pension when you retire.Then you complain when you retired you had nothing???Hello Mcfly?? if you had a union you this wouldnt have happened to you!
posted on January 26, 2005 08:49:35 AM new
Classic ! YOU are a union supporter ?
Oh, oh....so am I....
""No, stupid Libra doesn't want anything to do with unions.....just SUCK up like a fat pig the benefits like 40 hour work weeks, paid vacation, paid sick days, benefits. Things that we got due to the efforts of UNIONS.
But I'm not surprised at her tired, trite attitude...her dad probably told her that 50 years ago and you know Libra...no new idea will ever enter that fossilized old head."""
posted on January 26, 2005 09:18:25 AM new
Classic if an hospital or organization didn't want me to work for them I would leave. It is hard for union workers to understand that. Union workers can sluff off all day long and they still wouldn't lose their jobs. It's called union protection.
I guess you have never been a Radiologic Technologist most jobs are dirty. Everyday you come in contact with either feces, blood, urine and yes aids. You name it. Also x-ray departments are usually very busy and there is no time for sexual harassment and most of the boses are male. They know their place and leave the females alone.
My father was almost killed by an union worker and from that day on I vowed I would never work where there is a union and I never did. Guess what I worked 45 years no firings.
Oh and BTW Hospitals do have a greviance process as most places do.
posted on January 26, 2005 09:41:26 AM new
Libra63, you sound proud of what you did for a living (as you should be) and you probably worked very hard and did your best.
Your sister must be very intelligent if she finished school and started teaching at the age of 15. Did she have any problems with any of the teachers who thought she may have been too young to be qualified to teach?
posted on January 26, 2005 09:54:55 AM new
kiara-Im glad you said that-Libra had me going for awhile.....damn neocons you just cant trust anything they say!
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posted on January 26, 2005 10:18:19 AM newMy father was almost killed by an union worker and from that day on I vowed I would never work where there is a union and I never did.
posted on January 26, 2005 10:37:13 AM new
Libra really can NOT reason!!!!!
MY GAWD someone this brain dead was doing mammograms and X-rays......maybe one too many X-Rays !!!!
She says, "My father was almost killed by an union worker and from that day on I vowed I would never work where there is a union and I never did. "
What union was this......Trash Haulers and he got thrown in a dumpster by mistake ?
Executioners Local 1A and he was a mass murderer?
Grocery Workers and he slipped on a banana peel ?
Or maybe the Local Chapter of Murderers ?
WHAT the &uck has being a union member got to do with killing someone.....doesn't the stupid twitch realize that there are millions of union members who haven't killed anyone !!?????????
posted on January 26, 2005 10:43:21 AM new
LaLaLibra the Airhead(you don't want her doing YOUR mammogram!)Total Concept Reasoning Program and what I learned:
My uncle died when he fell off a roof and landed on a rake.....I will NEVER live in a house with a roof!
posted on January 26, 2005 11:27:55 AM new
Profe, we are on the same page and understand the problem. The education process has been taken over, at least at higher levels, by liberals that think they will stage a cultural coup one child at a time. It's not working though. Amazingly, all the little brain-washed liberals turn into conservatives after a few years in the real work world being de-programmed. All the liberals are accomplishing is to set the student into an imperfect paradigm that is incongruent with the society they have to function within. Not to mention the touchy-feeley barbra streisand that is producing HS graduates that need pictures on the keys of their mcregister and reach the peter principle if you introduce an alteration to the results on their machine generated instructions. Most of the other problems are chronic in any bureaucracy with cronyism and featherbedding. Most administrators are as necessary as a fireman on a diesel locomotive, and about as hard to do away with.
The dysfunction in the nuclear family is, IMHO, a direct result of feminism. Not to mention the selfish treatment of marriage as a revolving door. Then there are the people hell-bent on further destroying marriage for their own selfish agenda.
Profe is right, this is all being blamed on the teachers that are being held responsible for the end result. The same teachers that are being forced to buy supplies out of their own pockets.........
posted on January 26, 2005 11:48:27 AM new
No.. not just you Krafty...I was thinking the same thing just now about park! It took me by surprise.... and Crow and Classy.. now that's a combination!LOL
posted on January 26, 2005 01:08:38 PM new
Excuse me Kraft and Maggie, do you AGREE with this bunch of crap......
""The dysfunction in the nuclear family is, IMHO, a direct result of feminism. Not to mention the selfish treatment of marriage as a revolving door. Then there are the people hell-bent on further destroying marriage for their own selfish agenda. """
posted on January 26, 2005 01:21:31 PM new
Crowfarm, I agree that his posts are starting to make sense (I hope you've noticed) - didn't say I agreed with them, BUT, I do feel the breakdown of the traditional family was a result of women joining the work force when they traditionally stayed at home to raise children. That part I do agree with. I think if you have a child, you should stay home and raise it until he/she goes to school.
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