kraftdinner
|
posted on January 27, 2005 01:45:03 PM new
"... the left here is NOT representative of the majority of the democratic party."
They're not? Do you think the left here are too liberal?
|
Linda_K
|
posted on January 27, 2005 01:52:53 PM new
LOL logan - Funny how you skipped over his statements on what has been our Nation's policy since it's inception. Funny how you ignore the fact that Kennedy stood up to the Russian's. Was willing to take this Nation to war for what we preceived as a threat from them. No different than the preceived threat the past THREE administrations saw.
Since America is divided, does this mean we as a country will fail?
I doubt it. But the liberals sure aren't doing one thing to help our mission. Those liberals who will be opposing the next funding for our troops....will have their lives on their hands. They will be encouraging our enemies to fight us harder....stay with their fight...because some American's are coming around to being against this cause....just like they did in VN. Aided and abetted our communist enemies. Now some are aiding and abetting the terrorists who would like nothing more than to see this Nation come down.
When did Iraqi people support freedom before we invaded the country?
In 1991 when we left and they fought alone...and saddam won.
I do not feel the Iraqi people wanted it before we invaded nor do they want it now. If they did, they would be doing more to stop the insurgents.
Oh...so according to you they don't want freedom? How sad is that? very. All people want to be free. And they are fighting for what they want. I think reasonable people KNOW that with a people who've been suppressed for 35+ years...it's not an easy task nor happen in short order. They're used to conforming to saddam's demands...for fear of their life.
Again Kennedy is asking both sides to negotiate peace
Of course, I don't take that the same way you do....but none-the-less...13 years were spent by the UN trying to 'negotiate peace'....saddam thought it was a fun game. Now the country will be free and vote for their own representatives. Just as JFK would have wanted it to be.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Four More Years....YES!!!
|
kiara
|
posted on January 27, 2005 01:58:16 PM new
Kraft, you and I have been in agreement on almost all issues across the board. Linda doesn't like me because I haven't shown tolerance when she's twisted my posts and then called me a Communist and anti-American because I don't approve of Bush's policies or the war in Iraq.
She's also tried to be an authority on Canada though she gets her views from 3rd rate rag sheets and doesn't have a clue what the country is truly like and then gets angry when I quote the truth from my experience of living here. I seldom discuss Canada or its policies but she mentions it each time she sees a post by me. 
|
Helenjw
|
posted on January 27, 2005 02:04:11 PM new
It's so ignorant to believe the propaganda that we are fighting for the freedom of 25 million people. But just mention "freedom" or "liberty" or "Democracy" and the brains of Bush sheep become sponges. The truth is that there is absolutely no justification for the death of any soldier in this needless war.
|
kraftdinner
|
posted on January 27, 2005 02:07:00 PM new
LoL Kiara! What names haven't we been called?? And here I thought Americans would be appreciative of 2 people that live in Canada that care very much about the fate of the U.S., to be a bit more open-minded. Oh well. 
|
logansdad
|
posted on January 27, 2005 02:15:00 PM new
When did Iraqi people support freedom before we invaded the country?
In 1991 when we left and they fought alone...and saddam won.
How so Linda, the first Iraq War was about Iraq invading Quait and the US liberating Quait. The first Iraq War was not about giving freedom to the Iraqi people. If what you are saying the US would have removed Sadaam from power back in 1991. Are you trying to rewrite history?
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
----------------------------------
"Give it up for George W. Bush, the best friend international jihad ever had."
|
Linda_K
|
posted on January 27, 2005 02:15:51 PM new
KD - You've been willing, at one point, to share your support of Bush and/or the Afghanistan war.
And kiara...I don't believe I've ever called you a communist. But I do believe you to be a socialist, a pacifists and anti-American. When both of our parties decide our Nation's policies and you are against what our elected officials think is acting in the best intersts of our country....no matter if it's a democratic president or a republican....then in my eyes you are anti-American.
But if you want others to believe you're a communist by making statements like that....go for it.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Four More Years....YES!!!
[ edited by Linda_K on Jan 27, 2005 02:18 PM ]
|
logansdad
|
posted on January 27, 2005 02:18:37 PM new
Funny how you skipped over his statements on what has been our Nation's policy since it's inception.
Linda you are wrong again. Up until World War I the United States followed the Monroe Doctrine. I am sure you can do a google search to see what it means.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
----------------------------------
"Give it up for George W. Bush, the best friend international jihad ever had."
|
Linda_K
|
posted on January 27, 2005 02:21:36 PM new
No logan - not rewriting history at all. Many on the left here have blamed the US for not removing saddam at that time. And I've defended the reasons Bush1 didn't. Thousands and thousands of Iraqi's were slaughtered after we left. Of course, you must believe they weren't interested in being free....nor living for siding against saddam.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Four More Years....YES!!!
|
crowfarm
|
posted on January 27, 2005 02:23:21 PM new
Kiara, I hope you don't mind reposting your post that linduh has so artfully dodged
Yoo hoo linduh...I guess you missed the post....
"""How can some of you try to justify the deaths of the troops by shouting freedom for the Iraqi people when you continue to show disdain and contempt for almost every country of the world but your own?
Do you want us to really believe that the Iraqi people mean that much to you that you’re willing to sacrifice your own countrymen for them?"""
Ya, weasled out so far AS USUAL...whenever you're trapped you sure can dance the Siskyou Two-Step !
|
logansdad
|
posted on January 27, 2005 02:24:34 PM new
When both of our parties decide our Nation's policies and you are against what our elected officials think is acting in the best intersts of our country....no matter if it's a democratic president or a republican....then in my eyes you are anti-American.
As I told you before, speaking out against the government, makes us VERY MUCH AMERICAN. That is what this country was founded on - speaking out against the government. Why do you think it is included in first amendment?
Anti-American, in my opinion, is what the American Taliban did - join forces with the enemy to fight against America and its troops. Anti-American is what Timothy McVeigh did in Oklahoma.
Linda you just can't stand the fact that people actually stand up and speak against Bush. Those that do speak up are American. Those that just want to blindly follow and not question anything are LAP DOGS.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
----------------------------------
"Give it up for George W. Bush, the best friend international jihad ever had."
|
Linda_K
|
posted on January 27, 2005 02:27:04 PM new
logan - Not my words....kennedy's.
And how would you explain clinton's bombing expedition in 1998. Had Iraq bombed us then? Had they come at the US in anyway at that time he spent four days bombing them ....killing their citizens....pre-emptively????
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Four More Years....YES!!!
[ edited by Linda_K on Jan 27, 2005 02:40 PM ]
|
bigpeepa
|
posted on January 27, 2005 02:29:01 PM new
What the Chimp supporters never say is that the majority of American people now disagree with the way the Iraq war is being run. Nor do the Chimp supporters mention the Billions of dollars we are all spending on this poorly run war.
4 MORE MORON YEARS AND ITS JUST THE BEGINNING. WE WILL ALL BE WATCHING AND MAY GOD BLESS AMERICA.
|
Linda_K
|
posted on January 27, 2005 02:33:58 PM new
bigpeepa - But they re-elected him anyway. Goes to show what polls know.
And with 85 for putting Rice in this President's cabinet....when she had such a large part in our going to war.....think that also shows you're in the minority of democrats.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Four More Years....YES!!!
|
Linda_K
|
posted on January 27, 2005 02:37:15 PM new
logan - You're not getting what I'm saying....
I would never say people can't speak out against anything. But they will also have to listen to those who don't agree with what they're hearing...and their own personal judgements of that person.
But to be more clear....I'm talking about our government POLICY. Once that is established...to fight against [say] giving money to our troops that are there...IS anti-American imo.
---------
And if anyone here believes I think we should let what Canada thinks we should do...rule our policies...then I think they're nuts. We have our own government....way of passing our laws...making decisions...etc.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Four More Years....YES!!!
|
kiara
|
posted on January 27, 2005 02:43:45 PM new
Why do you think I'm a socialist, Linda? Because I now live in Canada and they have a different health system than the US? It isn't the first time you've called me that and I'm truly wondering what I've ever said here that makes you think I'm one.
To disagree with a leader who wages an unjust war and to feel empathy for all of the people including the troops who lose their lives is not being anti-American. Many of us that post here are very moderate in our thinking but I think that you overlook it because you are blinded by the fact that we don't agree with Bush's policies.
You keep ranting on about Canada. Just because I live here and post a view on a chat board it doesn't mean that Canada is telling your country what to do. I have very little say in what Canada decides to do..... I am not a politician and I don't represent the country.
|
Bear1949
|
posted on January 27, 2005 02:52:30 PM new
Oh Bear, you old fool , stuff it with that stupidity about HAVING to serve in the military before you can comment on it.
I CAN object to the illegal, unnecessary war that is slaughtering thousands of people .
Just because you neonazi's LOVE war and death doesn't mean DECENT people can't comment on it.
AND, I PAY for the soldiers of this country and will comment all I want .
Crow it would help if you knew what youre talking about.
A word to the wise ain't necessary, it's the stupid ones that need the advice."
- Bill Cosby
|
Linda_K
|
posted on January 27, 2005 02:55:27 PM new
Where's the link to me calling you a communist, kiara? I'd like to see it and you're good at pulling up links to 'prove' what people have said in the past. Some reason you're not doing it this time?
...and hogwash to the rest of what you've said.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Four More Years....YES!!!
|
kiara
|
posted on January 27, 2005 03:01:17 PM new
Oh my, getting a tad touchy because you can't answer my questions, Linda?
|
Helenjw
|
posted on January 27, 2005 03:03:05 PM new
Linda says, "And if anyone here believes I think we should let what Canada thinks we should do...rule our policies...then I think they're nuts. We have our own government....way of passing our laws...making decisions...etc."
Linda, you state a wild assumption that no one has mentioned and then argue against it. Nobody said that Canada should "rule our policies". You made that up.
Then as always, anyone who expresses a viewpoint that you personally don't agree with is labeled a communist or a socialist or anti-American. It's really funny. Maybe you would prefer a despotic regime in which discord is not allowed.
[ edited by Helenjw on Jan 27, 2005 03:05 PM ]
|
crowfarm
|
posted on January 27, 2005 03:05:20 PM new
Yoo hoo linduh...I guess you missed the post....
"""How can some of you try to justify the deaths of the troops by shouting freedom for the Iraqi people when you continue to show disdain and contempt for almost every country of the world but your own?
Do you want us to really believe that the Iraqi people mean that much to you that you’re willing to sacrifice your own countrymen for them?"""
Ya, weasled out so far AS USUAL...whenever you're trapped you sure can dance the Siskyou Two-Step !
|
crowfarm
|
posted on January 27, 2005 03:08:18 PM new
linduh obviously does " prefer a despotic regime in which discord is not allowed."
She would, it's called Communism and linduh positively loves and supports it.
And she's so glad we will have "Four More Years" of it.
|
Linda_K
|
posted on January 27, 2005 03:08:54 PM new
Oh my, getting a tad touchy because you can't answer my questions, Linda?
No, not at all kiara.....just following in YOUR footsteps and doing like you do....rarely addressing questions put to you. Your doublestandard is once again showing loud and clear.
Helen you lying now too. I have NEVER called anyone here a communist. And you know that....but hey it's the new ultra-liberal motto: lie about anything
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Four More Years....YES!!!
|
Linda_K
|
posted on January 27, 2005 03:11:41 PM new
Hey logansdad - Where'd you go? I'm still waiting to hear your answer on why you believe clinton bombed Iraq for four days....preemptively.
Especially since so many ultra liberals here believe saddam presented NO threat to the world or the US.
You seem to have disappeared after that question.
--------------------
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Four More Years....YES!!!
|
crowfarm
|
posted on January 27, 2005 03:12:41 PM new
Right back at ya, linduh....""No, not at all kiara.....just following in YOUR footsteps and doing like you do....rarely addressing questions put to you. our doublestandard is once again showing loud and clear. ""
Who's not answering questions?
And if you want to follow in Kiara's foosteps you'll have to get a hell of a lot smarter
|
Linda_K
|
posted on January 27, 2005 03:23:07 PM new
Linda, you state a wild assumption that no one has mentioned and then argue against it. Nobody said that Canada should "rule our policies". You made that up.
Oh...but helen....Canadian leaders and kiara have had plenty to say about why Canada didn't support us in the Iraq war. kiara...continues to spout her country's stand. And kiara is ALL the time pointing out how we should be 'listening' to what other countries think and feel about our country's decision to go to war. Trying to continue to limit what I say in my posts is a nice attempt to make things looks other than they are. But I do tend to 'sum up' people's posts....not only take what they're saying in any individual thread...but rather their collective postings.
Then as always, anyone who expresses a viewpoint that you personally don't agree with is labeled a communist or a socialist or anti-American. Again, helen...not quite the truth. But I am willing to express my own opinion....too bad if it's only okay for leftie's to post their's, according to some here, but I'm right here posting my own too. And I'll call them as I see them.
It's really funny.
I glad to see you finally find something funny. I used to worry that you were afraid to laugh.
Maybe you would prefer a despotic regime in which discord is not allowed.
No...you're a little mixed up on that one too. I'm the one that supports the Iraqi's being able to enjoy their freedom and liberty...it's you and other lefties here that would have preferred saddam still be in power....and you're the one's I view support all the 'despot's' staying in power.....again...it's that peace-at-ANY-cost mind think you ultra-liberals, socialists support.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Four More Years....YES!!!
[ edited by Linda_K on Jan 27, 2005 03:29 PM ]
|
Helenjw
|
posted on January 27, 2005 03:25:53 PM new
Linda, you use insinuation to cast your nasty aspersions. You know that.
For example, you believed that I used a copy paste from the Moscow Times. You were wrong about that but nevertheless you made the following insinuation. This is just one example, by the way.
You said, "The burning of our flag means nothing and quoting from a columnist who writes for the Moscow News.....what is that? Are you a member of the Communist Party Helen? Or whatever new name they're going under now."
[ edited by Helenjw on Jan 27, 2005 03:39 PM ]
|
kiara
|
posted on January 27, 2005 03:35:09 PM new
kiara...continues to spout her country's stand. And kiara is ALL the time pointing out how we should be 'listening' to what other countries think and feel about our country's decision to go to war.
????????????????
Linda_K, you really love to twist and distort things. I seldom mentioned Canada here except you kept whining that Canada wasn't in Iraq and I pointed out to you that Canada went to Afghanistan ..... the right war at that time.
Admit it, you haven't been able to shut up about Canada. Are you jealous?
|
Linda_K
|
posted on January 27, 2005 03:37:03 PM new
helen, helen, helen.....
From the very beginning of our soldiers being sent to Iraq you have called for them to: "ADMIT DEFEAT - and get out as quickly as possible".
Admitting defeat would not be considered by many who are not anti-American to be in our best interests. That kind of plays into enemy hands and supports THEIR cause...not ours.
That's NOT what I will EVER consider being a Patriotic American.
ever....
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Four More Years....YES!!!
|
Linda_K
|
posted on January 27, 2005 03:46:28 PM new
I'm certainly not jealous...no. If I supported the socialism Canada has.. I'd be living there.
And if you weren't in here constantly harping about how wrong everything that my government does or doesn't do that you approve of...I wouldn't be mentioning Canada at all. But of course, we both have the freedom to post our views.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Four More Years....YES!!!
|
