Frogleg
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posted on August 27, 2000 10:29:13 PM new
Wonder what % of Ebay users are happy?....
...99.9somthing% might be close.
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bhearsch
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posted on August 27, 2000 10:30:39 PM new
Is it really possible that eBay didn't have the foresight to purchase the ebaysucks domain name? Now that's surprising!! Even our own Mark Dodd made sure to cover AW's butt. 
Blanche
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xfmerch
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posted on August 27, 2000 10:32:54 PM new
pareau -
I just looked up http://www.ebay.sugs.com/ - it is currently under construction! LOL
Just thought you'd like to know 
[ edited by xfmerch on Aug 27, 2000 10:33 PM ]
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timeforebaytodie
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posted on August 27, 2000 10:37:37 PM new
Frogleg: Even if that was true you are still overlooking the clear fact that the founder of ebay clearly lied to the community...want to try to refute that? you are having trouble focusing on the topic here
Tuition: I am used to the critics that show up at my site, about 1 in 5 are, the rest are people ticked off at ebay. The people who have nothing but bad things to say and are mean spirited usually have nothing of value to add to the topic either...
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Frogleg
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posted on August 27, 2000 10:39:05 PM new
timeforebaytodie
Lets find out....See my new thread.
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krs
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posted on August 27, 2000 10:39:30 PM new
Tuition,
"It would be nice to hear something constructive for a change!"
and what better place for something constructive than a thread committed to destruction, eh?
Has it occured that maybe something constructive is exactly what your 'regulars' have posted?
You really aren't asking for that. As you said, you're asking for sympathy. Perhaps sympathy is easier for someone who is not directly involved in the day to day of ebay as you have said you are not, but for the rest of us, we are in ebay subject to the user agreement to which we and todie agreed, fair or not, by choice.
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timeforebaytodie
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posted on August 27, 2000 10:45:50 PM new
KRS: once again you make statements with no empiricle proof to back them. What part of the user agreement didn't I follow that lead to my expulsion from ebay? I am not calling for the destruction of ebay, I have not so stated that anywhere in this thread. I have been saying its time for us to stop the ebay monopoly. If you believe that controlling 95% of the online auction market is not a monopoly you need to rethink your thinking...
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Frogleg
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posted on August 27, 2000 10:48:17 PM new
That 95% are there because they WANT to be there....shish..that ain't no monopoly
edited on account of I cant spell worth a cuss.
[ edited by Frogleg on Aug 27, 2000 10:49 PM ]
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tuition44years
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posted on August 27, 2000 10:52:18 PM new
Okay .. so I had to look back I knew I couldn't just go to bed .. I never can!
KRS: We could talk in circles here .. I'm not asking for sympathy .. I'm wishing others would share their own experiences and their feelings around THIS TOPIC! If you've been Naru'd more than once it seems you might have something to say about how you felt about it...or was it clearly justified and you just took what was coming to you?
MY regulars? Huh? and ... I haven't seen too much contructive here.
The only reason I am not currently involved in the day to day of ebay is because I am fed up! After 2+ years of day to day ebay, I AM affected by it!! (I shared my id w/hubby .. got this new one last Sept(?) I WANT to list there, I NEED to list there but when I go there (everyday up till last week) .. something was messed up every single time!! I decided just to stay away for a few weeks and cool my jets! I still check hubbies auctions for him when he calls from work .. I still listen to him b*tch when his auctions won't load or the site goes down, and on and on.
I've said before that I'm sure I'll always list some on ebay but I will never keep all my eggs in one basket again. I am SICK of ebay as it is now. I need to get to a point where I can use it without feeling 'indentured' for lack of a better word from this tired brain!
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I have a memory like a steel trap .. unfortunately it's rusted shut!
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timeforebaytodie
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posted on August 27, 2000 10:52:37 PM new
Frogleg: I beg to differ, over half the people I talk to about this say they are there because its "the only game in town", that sounds like a monopoly to me, the only reason people are stuck at ebay is they are afraid to go to other sites and sell because all the traffic is at ebay...but I respect your opinion
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Frogleg
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posted on August 27, 2000 10:56:25 PM new
timeforebaytodie
The only game in town is the only "proffitable" game in town. Go look at your own site if you want some other choices.
edited to add them cute little " things
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tuition44years
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posted on August 27, 2000 10:58:16 PM new
Hey Frog .. where's your thread? Don't forget how few peeps from ebay actually post here. It won't be a statistically valid pole but it will be an interesting read if you do post a "DO YOU LOVE EBAY?" thread!
GOOD NIGHT FOR REAL
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I have a memory like a steel trap .. unfortunately it's rusted shut!
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timeforebaytodie
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posted on August 27, 2000 10:58:58 PM new
Tuition: Your not the only one who is sick of ebay, my site is attracting record amounts of people every week, I'm now starting to make a mailing list to people who contact me since its becoming such a pain in the neck responding to all the complaints people direct to me (as if I was safeharbor!) and I plan on giving the top 10 ebay transgressions they have committed against their own paying customers. And to the great dismay of a few of the people on this site I won't be going away any time soon, I'm in this till the day the ebay monopoly is broken and my account is reinstated. Thanks for listening to me.
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timeforebaytodie
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posted on August 27, 2000 11:07:43 PM new
Frogleg: So explain why bill gates is a monopoly and ebay is not? Please clarify for us....
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krs
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posted on August 27, 2000 11:13:38 PM new
tuition,
As I suggested, if you would like to see a generalized discussion around the topic of NARU or unfair treatment in ebay, start one. This thread is not about that. This thread is about stopping a monopoly that does not exist, in short, it's about nonsense.
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starlight747
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posted on August 27, 2000 11:15:57 PM new
Frogleg -
I haven't listed at ebay for about two years now. When I left, I certainly was not happy with them (as a seller).
I still love to BUY at ebay, and I still love to hear people like you defend them.
You see, the more sellers who accept " the way things are", and don't complain, the better the bargains I can expect!
NOW GET OUT THERE AND LET 'EM HAVE IT!!!!!!!!
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timeforebaytodie
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posted on August 27, 2000 11:18:34 PM new
KRS: Finish the discussion then for us by explaining how ebay is any less a monopoly than bill gates...
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tuition44years
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posted on August 27, 2000 11:19:46 PM new
Okay .. so I'm seriously 'getting to bed early' impaired!
My OPINION is that this could have been (and still COULD be) a constructive thread if others talked about their experiences as they relate to the topic of the thread!
It is nonsense because most of the posts are nonsense. It didn't HAVE to be! That's my point .. I don't know of any other, clearer, easier to understand way to say this .... it is as much (sometimes more) the replies as the initial post that make a thread what it is!
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I have a memory like a steel trap .. unfortunately it's rusted shut!
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edhdsn
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posted on August 27, 2000 11:27:20 PM new
krs:
(I beg to differ with you. Ebay is and acts like a monopoly.
Try to call them with a concern, thay have a unlisted phone number!
The best auction software on the market, is AAPRO, they bought the company, now the promised upgrade for using it on other auction sites is dead!
If you are vocal with the problems, break a rule, and your are suspended.
Keep a low profile, do what you want as long as the bill is paid.
Ed
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timeforebaytodie
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posted on August 27, 2000 11:30:39 PM new
The following is the websters definition of a monopoly (all words included in () are words I have added to the def.):
Monopoly-Exclusive control of the supply of any commodity or service (ebay's control of the online market industry) in a given market; hence, in popular use (over 95% of people using online auctions), any such control (which ebay has) in a given market as enables the one having this control to raise the price of a commodity or service (and they have in the past and will in the future) materially above the price fixed by free competition.
If ebay raises their listing fees 10% do you think anyone will stop using the site? maybe a couple, do you think the vast majority of people will? no. Ebay has enough people suckered into using them that they can control the prices and we can't really do anything about it.
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krs
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posted on August 27, 2000 11:34:58 PM new
tuition,
Yep, all sweetness and light at the beginning of the thread in
timeforebaytodie posted on August 26, 2000 11:32:03 PM
"This is directed towards Dave: Alright smart guy, what did I do to get terminated from ebay? You seem to have all the answers. How about you shutup if you don't know what your talking about. That way you don't insert your foot in your mouth and everyone is happy, albeit that would look kind of funny!lol"
Regards,
Ben
Conducive of reasoned discussion....Boy Howdy.
It's no monopoly, eddie, it's just where bucks are for most folks. Plenty of choices, and I've made ALL of my biggest sales since February 1999 in other sites, or in Manila.
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timeforebaytodie
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posted on August 27, 2000 11:39:25 PM new
KRS: stop trying to change the subject, I have just posted a definition of what a monopoly is, ebay fits all criteria, open up your dictionary and study and stop trying to act like you know everything, if ebay is not a monopoly then answer the question I will direct to you again, what is the difference between bill gates and ebay as far as a monopoly? what makes ebay any less an evil monopoly than bill gates??? Answer this and shut us all up.
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krs
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posted on August 27, 2000 11:43:44 PM new
Your definition used the word "exclusive" todie, yet anyone can list in Yahoo.
Microsoft went to court over the imposition of software in new systems. It would be as if ebay were able to require that noone would be able to access the net without going through them.
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timeforebaytodie
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posted on August 27, 2000 11:46:06 PM new
Not true, I never stated you could not access the net without using ebay. You are distorting the facts and trying to compare apples with oranges, ebay has a stranglehold on the online market. I clear monopoly, if anyone becomes a fierce competitor of theirs they make all attempts to stop them and buy them out.
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krs
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posted on August 27, 2000 11:47:24 PM new
It worked?!
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krs
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posted on August 27, 2000 11:49:14 PM new
Guess not.
Todie, there cannot be a monopoly if there are choices. And there are choices.
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edhdsn
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posted on August 27, 2000 11:49:40 PM new
timeforebaytodie:
So what were ebays offical reasons for your lifetime termanation? As I have been very upfront on my supension. If I missed it on this thread, sorry,or if you do not to make it public you can email me edhdsn@ ix.netcom.com
Ed
edhdsn
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Frogleg
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posted on August 27, 2000 11:51:05 PM new
A monopoly is when you have NO other choice.
NO other choice as in the telephone co. or power co or water co. But with a choice there is NO monopoly.
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timeforebaytodie
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posted on August 27, 2000 11:58:38 PM new
Frogleg: Untrue, read the definition of monopoly again, also then why was AT&T a monopoly? There were other phone companies at the time, about the equivelant of all the other online auction sites to ebay currently...
Ed: Surely, I thought I posted it above but perhaps I was unclear. I was terminated from ebay due to "auction non-performance". What happened was apparently some other person had purchased something from me and did recieve it for some reason. Ebay claims they emailed be concerning it but I was never able to locate a copy in my inbox. I emailed them 23 times regarding this asking them to forward a copy of this to me so I could resolve it. They refused to answer me. I was finally told "we don't respond to emails that are not ebay registered emails". I called all 3 of their phone numbers that are not listed on their site. I made 6 calls to ebay and was immediately told "we don't take those phone calls here", its almost laughable that anyone in their right mind can sit here and defend them. I could go on but perhaps it would be easier if you just asked specific questions and I answered them. To date ebay has screwed me and on this transaction and the person who is waiting to hear from me since december about something but I cannot contact them since ebay refuses to help us by disclosing this person's email.....
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edhdsn
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posted on August 28, 2000 12:03:03 AM new
Frogleg:
You are right! But we have made it that way. And will enjoy or not, what happens to us when the new profit modes hit us. They are comming. The stock has dropped over 70% at one time, now recovered to just over 50% of the high. They have to do something, as the current Public owned compaines have to have gains. Without regaurd to its employees, and you have to know the sellers on ebay are treated as such.
Ed
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