posted on February 2, 2005 04:10:05 AM new
Why isn't this on the national news?
In my quiet little town, in the wee hours of Sunday morning, someone broke into a local establishment, Ackley's, and removed over $100,000 retail of assault weapons and handguns. (I guess they thought the thousands of rifles and shotguns weren't worth it.) They also took a rack of gloves and a mig welder. The place was completely trashed.
The local police say it was professionals...
Here's what you won't hear on the news....
Professionals would have gone to the rear door, not the front door. It's closer to the guns and you are less likely to be seen.
They wouldn't have climbed a pole to cut the security system, they would have cut it on the building.
They would have known there was no need to smash the cash registers, as they have a lever underneath to open the drawer when there is no power.
The store has an absolutely huge old safe. These "professionals" wouldn't have wasted at least two hours getting it out, tipping it over and beating it with a sledge hammer. The "dial" was completely smashed and you can see where the maul was hitting the ceiling. And can you imagine the noise?
Of course, this is only my opinion of how professionals wouldn't do business.
posted on February 2, 2005 05:02:17 AM new
twig - There is one paper that mentioned this online.
Not too much more info than what you gave though, except they listed the types of fire arms that were taken.
Besides your thoughts on whether it was a professional job or not....what's your own personal theory on who or why this happened? For resale? To prepare for war?
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posted on February 2, 2005 05:51:20 AM new
It wouldn't surprise me at all, libra, with all the Muslim people here. Just look at the number of Iraqi's here that voted for their party choice in the recent Iraq elections, that there might be pockets of terrorists here in the US who need arms.
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posted on February 2, 2005 05:57:36 AM new
As I said in a previous thread awhile ago, the face of America is changing and I personally don't think it is for the good. Walk into your 7/11, Holiday Inns, gas stations. It just goes to prove that they are willing to work and we are the ones that are paying.
"In documents distributed by the Saudi authorities, Muslims living in the U.S. are being urged to "behave as if on a mission behind enemy lines," according to the report by the Center for Religious Freedom, an arm of the U.S. human rights group Freedom House.
And in an echo of recent statements by al-Qaeda terrorists Osama bin Laden and Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the documents also condemn democracy as un-Islamic.
The 89-page report deals with more than 200 pieces of religious literature promoting Saudi Arabia's extremist Wahhabi ideology, produced or provided by various government ministries and other bodies and disseminated to mosques in the U.S.
It concludes that the writings reflect a "totalitarian ideology of hatred that can incite to violence."
The center examined literature, mostly in Arabic, available at mosques and Islamic facilities in Washington, New York, Chicago, Dallas, Houston, Los Angeles and Oakland, Calif.
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[ edited by Linda_K on Feb 2, 2005 06:15 AM ]
posted on February 2, 2005 06:36:03 AM new
The general consensus is whoever did it either is not very bright or wanted it to look like they're not very bright.
There was a huge sale the day before (on Carrharts) and the store was PACKED. So the "fingerprinting" process was probably a nightmare. The thieves were also wearing gloves.
The store had been working hard doing inventory on the guns and the book with the serial numbers was left, opened on the counter on one of the pistol cases. (Wouldn't smart thieves have taken this?)
posted on February 2, 2005 07:59:12 AM new It wouldn't surprise me at all, libra, with all the Muslim people here.
Linda - that's an awfully stereotypical and bigoted thing to say, don't you think? IMO, it was probably the work of either gang members or teenagers looking to make money. You know, that statement makes it seem like you think all Muslims here are theives and are out to harm us. You couldn't be more wrong. God, I can't believe you made that comment!
Cheryl
"No drug, not even alcohol, causes the fundamental ills of society. If we're looking for the source of our troubles, we shouldn't test people for drugs, we should test them for stupidity, ignorance, greed and love of power." ~ P.J. O'Rourke
posted on February 2, 2005 08:11:06 AM new
cheryl - Did you miss the part where they're being instructed to 'act as ememies behind the lines' IN OUR COUNTRY? Or do you just choose to ignore/not believe they're promoting this HATRED?
Appears to me that it's okay with you to scream about things like 'hatred towards gays'....but hatred and a call to violence against your own country is somehow, in your mind, MY PROBLEM?
Think again.
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And I agree it could just be young people or gang related.
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[ edited by Linda_K on Feb 2, 2005 08:14 AM ]
posted on February 2, 2005 08:21:17 AM new
Wording such as "some" or "a select few" implies you don't think all Muslims are bad. Using just "Muslims" implies that you think all Muslims are violent toward the U.S. This I won't back down from. It was an awful thing to say. Maybe you should live somewhere where there isn't so much diversity. Again: NOT ALL MUSLIMS ARE BAD. Just as not all blacks, not all whites, not all Hispanics, not all Jewish, not all Native American, not all Irish, not all British, not all Saudis, not all Indians, not all. . . . . . are bad.
Gangs, on the other hand, usually only have violence on their minds. This sounds more like the work of a gang. Too sloppy for a professional.
Cheryl
"No drug, not even alcohol, causes the fundamental ills of society. If we're looking for the source of our troubles, we shouldn't test people for drugs, we should test them for stupidity, ignorance, greed and love of power." ~ P.J. O'Rourke
posted on February 2, 2005 08:44:16 AM new
cheryl - You and those you support [progressive/socialists] are the ones that scare me. You put your head in the sand and pretend there are no evil people in this world. And anyone that thinks differently than that...has some sort of a problem.
You might not like the way I word my posts....that's too bad. But for you to continue to ignore what they ARE promoting and scold me on how I 'word' my posts and what assumptions YOU make from that is YOUR problem...not mine.
Get a clue...there are threats to our Nation....we ARE at war against those who have proclaimed to want OUR distruction. Worry about the important problems our Nation is facing...not the way I word my posts.
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posted on February 2, 2005 09:15:40 AM new
Yes Linda - there are threats to our nation and people within, the problem is that they vast majority of that threat comes from our own people.
I swear, I think fear of terrorism is the new nuerosis. Since video cameras have resulted in a drastic reduction of alien sitings and abductions people need something new to live in fear of. Nevermind that gang related deaths far out number terrorist related deaths .... we should all live in fear of Muslims because well.... yeah... that's completely logical.
BTW - how have you managed to ignore all of your insistance that terrorist cells consist of well funded individuals (I believe at one time you implied they were well fuinded by Teresa Kerry at that) using patience and meticulous planning in order to credit them with this purely amatuerish crime?
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posted on February 2, 2005 09:38:58 AM new
::Too much bravado, not enough smarts::
What bravado? Did they spray paint their gang name on the building?> The bloods were here!
- And have you ever been to Altoona, PA? oh ya, that place is just rife with gang life!!
I'd also like to know how many years have you all done in law enforcement? (Watching tv shows and reading nancy drew books doesnt exactly count. )
posted on February 2, 2005 10:19:17 AM new
I'll wait for classicrock's reply. I'm sure he can ascribe the difference between "gang bravado" and a botched and mangled burglary. (Or one made to look so.)
Funny thing about that word, bravado, fenidix. The ones usually guilty of it are the ones prognistcating on everything about everything without really knowing a whole lot. They just think they do.
posted on February 2, 2005 10:36:37 AM new
fenix - I thought you had put me on ignore because you hadn't responded to the last couple of questions I put to you.
Do you not believe what bin laden and Abu Musab al-Zarqawi have said in their tapes? Do you not believe the 'instruction' papers I posted ARE being passed out at those Muslim mosques they mentioned? Do you not believe they have plans to attack our country again?
Did you take my post as cheryl did that I was speaking of ALL, each and every Muslim in the world?
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posted on February 2, 2005 10:38:14 AM new
Bravado would be going in the front door and staying for a couple hours.
I don't need to work in law enforcement to understand gang mentality. Do a little research on San Diego gang activity and then assume that as a downtown community member it just might be possible that I know some of the players and recognize the metality.
Sounds like you might think you know a lot about something you don't too.
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posted on February 2, 2005 11:18:11 AM new
Once again I see that questions put to the 'left' go unanswered. How sad. And the right is accused of not answering when they don't hang around to answer or they choose not to? How funny.
It saddens me to see people in our country who are so quick to defend Muslims while putting down their own countrymen. We in the US are not raised with hate towards others....especially not in our school system. But many Muslims are. From K-12...maybe even longer.
And then the left question WHY they hate us this much? The left goes on and on about UNDERSTANDING why they hate us. Could it possibly be because that's the way they were raised....FROM BIRTH?
There are many articles online where it's clearly shown how they're raised to be anti-American...anti-West and how they're programmed to 'change the world...convert the whole world to Islam'. And for those who don't choose to....have you read what they plan for them?
And yet rather than recognize that the ME has raised most of their children this way....it appears or actually is denied by the left. They'd rather blame their own countrymen hatred and for having such bad feelings about them. They'd rather cream all the religious rather than speak out about those who wish us harm and ALSO practice their faith...one that's hateful towards America.
It really does sadden me that so many support their ways and not our ways. See us as the evil ones....and blindly excuse any action that comes from those who teach this hatred to their children...in their schools.
And for me personally, the left's inability to see the threat at all or when asking WHY would they want to harm us....they blame America's actions...it MUST be something we've done, but refuse to see just how this hatred IS being promoted, are what I believe a lot of American think. We can't trust the democratic party to defend this Nation....because they refuse to even see the problem.
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SCHUMER: SAUDI GOVERNMENT MUST ERADICATE HATE RHETORIC IN TEXTBOOKS
New American Jewish Committee study of the Saudi Arabian education system reveals textbooks promoting anti-Semitic, Anti-American, and Anti-Western Views
[old news from 2003]
Schumer introduces new resolution calling on Saudi Arabian government to review its education curriculum, reform it, and promote tolerance
US Senator Charles Schumer today introduced a resolution calling on the Saudi Arabian government to review its education curriculum after recent studies by the American Jewish Committee (AJC) and the Center for Monitoring The Impact of Peace found that Saudi Arabian textbooks promote anti-Semitic, anti-American, and anti-Western views.
"The Saudi government is suffering from Yasir Arafat Syndrome," Schumer said. "While the government continues to present itself as an ally in the war on terrorism, it teaches its young people to hate the West. The ideas in these textbooks help form the foundation of hatred that has helped so many innocent children grow into terrorists as adults.
***If we're going to root out terrorism, it is critical that the values taught in Saudi Arabia's schools promote tolerance not hatred."***
The Saudi government controls and regulates all forms of education in public as well as in private schools and is responsible for all of the content in school textbooks. The religious curriculum is written, monitored, and taught by followers of the Wahhabi sect of Islam – the only religious doctrine Saudi Arabia allows to be taught and the same sect that spawned Al-Qaeda.
In addition, the Saudi textbooks are from the same mold as the extremist teachings of the madrassah schools that preach hatred throughout the Middle East and that are funded by the Saudi government.
****While Islam is a peaceful religion****, the madrassahs distort this message by preaching hate, violence and intolerance toward the Judeo-Christian world. These teachings indoctrinate thousands of young Saudis with the idea that terrorism is an acceptable way to articulate their Islamic beliefs. Fifteen of the 19 September 11 hijackers were Saudi Arabian nationals.
And we must remember the Saudi's and ? others have private schools in our country too...where they're promoting this hatred of America.
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posted on February 2, 2005 01:21:17 PM new***If we're going to root out terrorism, it is critical that the values taught in .....schools promote tolerance not hatred."***
Nice to see how that sentence was bolded by Linda. Again Linda will point out these things when it promotes her agenda.
If you think Saudi Arabia is so bad and is promoting terrorism then you should ask your President why he is so buddy buddy with the members of the Saudi government.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
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posted on February 2, 2005 02:08:52 PM new
:o you not believe what bin laden and Abu Musab al-Zarqawi have said in their tapes? ::
Linda - I think the difference is that I know that the vast majority of people do not pay attention to extremeists and you seem to believe that everyone does. Seriously LInda - you have spent two years talking about the goodness of the Iraqi people and now you turn around and label muslims as a bunch of thieving criminals just waiting for the opportunity to blow us all up.
In answer to your question - yes, both you and LIbra in this post at least have successfully given the impression that in yourt opinion all muslims wish nothing more in life that to kill americans.
I guess the difference is that I don't look at an arab and think terrorist anymore than I look at Italians and think mob or think gang when I see a black. It seems that you have allowed the exception to become the rule in your mind.
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posted on February 2, 2005 02:12:13 PM new
Hell Logan - with all this hatred of americans supposedly ingrained into the arab mind I'm still trying to figure out how my father managed to live happily in Saudi Arabia working with the general public day to day for 10 years.
You think maybe it's not quite so extreme as some would lead us to believe?
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posted on February 2, 2005 02:26:49 PM new
I've been to Altoona PA. -Have you? Gangs are not quite indigenous to that area, so I dont need to do a little research on San Diego and gangs.
It's rurual fenix. -You know what rural pennsylvania is like? And if you'd like to suggest that gangs are driving up from philly or NY they'd probably need gps devices to get around up there in the night.
posted on February 2, 2005 02:57:18 PM newI've been to Altoona PA. -Have you? Gangs are not quite indigenous to that area, so I dont need to do a little research
A small bit of research turned up the fact that cocaine & heroine is a rising problem in Pensylvania, including Altoona. Where there are drugs there are gangs.
A bit more research informed me that the Keystone State Skinheads has a chapter in Altoona. I'd call that a gang. The KKK also operates in the area.
And this link, http://altoona.areaconnect.com/crime1.htm, shows that while Altoona is better in some areas, overall its crime is worse than the national average. We're not talking Mayberry here.
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posted on February 2, 2005 03:23:10 PM newWhere there are drugs there are gangs
oh really.
Over here there is a high incidence of drugs but they have never referred to it as "gang violence" or "gang activity". There's are no gangs here to speak of. So there goes that premise.
And it may not be mayberry anymore, but it is still a rural area and as such its much harder to get round. White kids are doing more heroin bunni, not gang kids. And I dont think the KKK is the type of gang mentality that was being inferred here either. If that is the gang mentality to which you refer then it is more consistant with Linda's idea along the lines of terrorists because the kkk gang has a much bigger adgenda than the rival street gangs.
posted on February 2, 2005 03:29:30 PM newwhen it promotes her agenda. Logan are you just stupid or what? Do you not 'get' that we in the US DO promote tolerance and that they are NOT doing that in their schools? Can you not understand that because I am against gay marriage....doesn't mean that I am not tolerant.
I question why the left is SOOOO tolerant as to ignore the FACTS.
If you think Saudi Arabia is so bad and is promoting terrorism then you should ask your President why he is so buddy buddy with the members of the Saudi government. I guess it's that I don't see HIS relationship with the Saudi's any differently than I saw clinton's....or any other US President. The FACT is the US needs oil....and SA has normally been willing to produce more to keep the prices down. Other oil countries haven't been so gracious about doing that. But now...SA is now [very recently] changing their ways.
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Linda - I think the difference is that I know that the vast majority of people do not pay attention to extremeists and you seem to believe that everyone does.
I do believe what THEY say, yes. It's not only the radicals that attend their schools, fenix. Generations of Saudi's and other Muslims have all been taught this propaganda. I believe you have a 'special' favortism that causes you to overlook the threat.
Seriously LInda - you have spent two years talking about the goodness of the Iraqi people and now you turn around and label muslims as a bunch of thieving criminals just waiting for the opportunity to blow us all up.
I do believe there are good people in the middle east. I also believe they have been raised for generations to hate the west...and especially America. I don't think I'm in some tiny, minute group for thinking that way either. Many dems share the same concern. And I'd like you to tell me just how you and cheryl come up with I think THEY'RE [bALL[/b]...that way. I've never said that...once again it's words you lefties put into my mouth. I also agreed it could have been gang related. But that part you two have chosen to ignore for some reason.
In answer to your question - yes, both you and LIbra in this post at least have successfully given the impression that in yourt opinion all muslims wish nothing more in life that to kill americans.
LOL...there's that ALL again. And 'we give he impression' - rather than 'it could be the way you choose to take what we say
'....no questioning what we've said...just accusations and assumptions.
But I will say I think that's what MOST are concerned about in this country - in all our government leaders...federal and state. I certainly don't think all this extra money for things like Home Land Security, defense, etc is being spent because Libra and I stand alone?
I guess the difference is that I don't look at an arab and think terrorist anymore than I look at Italians and think mob or think gang when I see a black.
Well...I think many are believing what the terrorist have said they want to do to our economy...our Nation..and they HAVE attacked us. I tend to get their message. But that doesn't automatically mean each Muslim/Arab/etc I see on the street...or read about is a terrorists either. I think that's the way the left here chooses to believe it is...rather than because they aren't paying attention that I've never said what I am accused of.
It seems that you have allowed the exception to become the rule in your mind. No, rather it's the one's that have attacked us, and those who still wish us harm...that are my major concern - and we have no way of knowing because their not wearing a uniform to declare their intentions. I don't believe our government is lying to us and pretending there is a threat when there isn't one...as so many on the left appear to me to think - like when the warnings are raised to a higher level and they left says it's being used as a distraction. I worry about those who bury their head in the sands...pretending there is no threat.
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posted on February 2, 2005 03:32:08 PM new
Driven thru Altoona a few times but I don't remember stopping along the way. Didn't notice many Mosques driving thru though or are they hidden back farther in the woods.
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posted on February 2, 2005 03:33:04 PM new
of course you have fenix. everybody just drives through altoona on their way to somewhere else.
[ edited by dblfugger9 on Feb 2, 2005 04:15 PM ]
posted on February 2, 2005 03:39:26 PM new
:: LOL...there's that ALL again. And 'we give he impression' - rather than 'it could be the way you choose to take what we say
'....no questioning what we've said...just accusations and assumptions. ::
LInda - You asked me if that was the impression that I got from what you said. I answered your question. If you didn't want to know, you should not have asked. If you do not like the impression that your words give perhaps you re-examine the words as opposed to telling others how they are supposed to see hear them. The fact that more than one person in this thread has interpreted them in the same way should tell you that your words may not be accurately expressing your thoughts. Or maybe you are, and others just seem them as a little more extreme than you do.
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