posted on August 8, 2005 09:28:20 PM new
Here's but one good example of why the part of the Patriot Act that you so disagree with being used....helps catch these terrorsts.
Briton Used Internet As His Bully Pulpit
By Craig Whitlock
Washington Post Foreign ServiceMonday, August 8, 2005; Page A01
Second of three articles
LONDON -- Babar Ahmad, a 31-year-old computer whiz and mechanical engineer, was hailed as a big catch by U.S. law enforcement officials when he was arrested here one year ago on charges that he ran a network of Web sites that served as a propaganda and fundraising front for Islamic extremists, including Chechen rebels, the Taliban militia and al Qaeda affiliates.
posted on August 8, 2005 09:58:10 PM new
No doubt that the internet is a hotbed of sorts when it comes to terrorists, even if they only use it for communication purposes and i think that law enforcement agencies should minitor what goes on, on the internet.
Even to the extent of monitoring blog sites and message board sites.
I seem to remember that there was one of our own that had posted here awhile back that he was friends with a known and wanted terrorist that was hiding out in Canada and fighting extradition to the US. Do you remember who that was, i'll see if i can find the thread? Hmmmmm, i wonder if the authorities should want to talk with that poster.
posted on August 8, 2005 10:06:55 PM new
piinthesky - It was rusty's friend....who he later denied he'd said was his friend. An old college school mate....an eco-terrorist....arsonist.
Yes, and having access to see what these jokers are doing on the internet in library's too...will help them stop this type of thing.
I personally will never understand the left's position that wire tapping/etc can be done on suspected criminals....but NOT on suspected terrorists...who are making plans to destroy our Nation....murder our people. It's nuts, imo.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on August 8, 2005 10:56:02 PM new
Alot of intersting reading in those links, linda.
Here's the FBI's website tip section in case anyone would like to tip them off that we have a poster here whom is friends with this known and wanted terrorist. He may have information that would be helpful to fighting terrorism in the US or elsewhere.
posted on August 10, 2005 12:26:33 AM new
SPY BUSTERS! ROFLMAO!
OH ! You guys are good! So much smarter than the FBI or the CIA ! So much scarier!
OOOhh! here comes the guys in the trenchcoats for Rustygumbo !
I bet he's scared!
People like YOU are what's wrong with the Patriot Act.
Don't like someone's opinions...turn 'em in !
Who mentioned auctions?
Jack Sprat could eat no fat, his wife could eat no lean...and she was turned into the Secret Service for fraud on the internet and imitating a nuclear submarine
[ edited by mingotree on Aug 10, 2005 01:02 AM ]
posted on August 10, 2005 06:10:09 AM new
It is foul - and kind of scary - that a friend of rustygumbo's wanted to firebomb a US Forest Service office. Even scarier is that he changed his name to The Arrow because the trees told him too.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Caroline
posted on August 10, 2005 06:19:41 AM new
I am curious as to how the Patriot Act did this and something that law enforcement officials could not of done without it.
I agree people like Tre Arrow should be tried for their crimes.
But we have some pretty good law enforment in this country, we don't need the patriot act for them to do their job.
posted on August 10, 2005 06:24:37 AM new "Here's the FBI's website tip section in case anyone would like to tip them off that we have a poster here whom is friends with this known and wanted terrorist. He may have information that would be helpful to fighting terrorism in the US or elsewhere."
You misunderstood my remark, Carolinetyler.
I was referring to this thread, and it's intent along with the remark quoted above by the poster who now calls himself, piinthesky. Making absurd statements like that represents an appalling and reckless lack of judgement and discretion.
posted on August 10, 2005 06:30:56 AM new
LOL lack of writing skills makes for the reader to "misunderstand".
Do you ever take the blame for your own inadequecies?
posted on August 10, 2005 06:39:02 AM new
I think we were all posting at once! Helen, I did understand and was being facetious.
I do not think it was reckless for pinthesky to mention that website, but I was not around when rustygumbo was mentioning this 'friend', so I do not have the history here.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Caroline
"I do not think it was reckless for pinthesky to mention that website, but I was not around when rustygumbo was mentioning this 'friend', so I do not have the history here."
It was reckless and injudicious to mention the website in association with Rusty whose college acquaintance was accused of arson related to an environmental issue.
posted on August 10, 2005 07:22:19 AM new
Thank you for the link Helen, I did not realize that I could go back that far.
I do not think Pinthesky's motives were reckless, maybe I am reading too much in to it, but it sounds like Pinthesky's assumption was that this eco-terrorist was not in custody and was wanted. Giving this link was with the thought that Rusty posted that he met with this person and would therefore know his whereabouts.
But it sounds like he is in custody in Canada and merely fighting being brought back to the US to face the music.
Interesting to note in the old thread regarding this person that in the opening post Rusty writes:
"First, it was strange to see an old friend Mike as front page headlines. Second, my next reaction was to find him after things settled to catch up."
then later writes:
"I never claimed Tre as a friend."
posted on August 10, 2005 08:36:47 AM new
Oh, yeah. Once again, the neocons attempting to bad mouth something they know nothing about. That thread is still there, waiting for all the quotes I made for you to pull from. Let's see how Linda and the other neocons will manipulate words, and pull only fragments out of it to their benefit. Linda has already done so, with her assertation that I used the word "friend" inadvertantly, and immediately clarified it as an acquaintance. What would you call someone you were in the same student organization 12 years ago amongst 150 other students, and then happen to run into one time 3000 miles across the country? As I said, my clarification was correct. Thank you Helen for that comment.
But That is the neocon agenda... always attempting to discredit someone you disagree with. Well, go right ahead because I have absolutely nothing to hide.
Secondly, both Linduh, Piinhead, and Caroline have already judged Mike Scarpitti as a terrorist. He hasn't been found guilty of terrorism, he hasn't been found guilty of eco-terrorism, and he hasn't been found guilty of arson. But, solely for their own agenda and message, he is NOW guilty. Always quick to blame others, but when it is in their interest (Karl Rove) they don't want to discuss it. This is exactly the talk I would expect from anti-americans like these.
posted on August 10, 2005 08:45:30 AM new
I might add, that none of the neocons here managed to quote these statements that I made about Tre Arrow.
"By no means do I take away anything from the legalities of such actions. If Trey or any other person commits a crime such as this, then they should face fair justice."
"The Mike Scarpitti I knew at FSU is not the same person that I met again here in Portland. I suppose too many nights sleeping in a tree can change a person, whether they are an army of soldiers or an army of environmentalists."
Nope... they just pull what they want so that they can smear someone. Typical hypocritical neocon agenda. This is exactly why a majority of Americans don't trust this President, and this is why neocons like Linda have no credibility. They want to share only a part of the story, and not tell all.
posted on August 10, 2005 10:23:56 AM new
Sounding more and more like the Witch hunts of Salem..people snitching on each other, personal vendettas,mass hysteria,burn the guy/gal if they have red hair...
posted on August 10, 2005 01:17:14 PM new
Hey Gumby
Has the FBI gotten in contact you yet? Or maybe they're just monitoring your posts, emails and phone lines. Better watch out if you see any strange vans parked outside your home that have blacked out windows.
posted on August 10, 2005 01:29:38 PM new
I'm not too worried about vans parked outside my house (except if Linda is stalking me-lol). I am a law abiding citizen who is simply opinionated. I pay my taxes, and run two businesses.
Just curious how many people who post here have or know someone, whether it be a co-worker, a family member, a friend, a relative of a friend, etc. who has spent time in jail or prison? I don't expect Linda, Caroline, or any of the other neonazifascists to admit any, because they are afraid someone might actually have something to say about it. They live a hypocritical lifestyle because they support a criminal, a druggie, an alcoholic, and a murderer everytime they defend GW.
posted on August 10, 2005 02:14:06 PM new
I'm certainly not ashamed to say I know someone who has been to prison. But there is certainly a difference between a terrorist and someone who writes a bad check!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Caroline
posted on August 10, 2005 02:35:19 PM newbecause they are afraid someone might actually have something to say about it.
I spent a night in jail one time about 20 years ago for DUI and wreckless driving and i took it as a wake up call to stop drinking and driving. I'm just glad that i didn't kill or hurt anyone when it happened. About 3 or 4 years ago i quit drinking alltogether, not because i was an alcholic but because it just doesn't appeal to me anymore. Incedentally, i beat the DUI in court because i was only borderline drunk. So say all you want about it, won't bother me and i agree with Caroline that it doesn't compare to being a terrorist.
I have to say also that if ANYONE else from here posts that they are friends with a known and wanted terrorist that i would turn them in to the FBI. It wouldn't matter to me what party affiliation they were. I'd even turn in Linda if she ever posted in this manner.
posted on August 10, 2005 03:15:58 PM new
::I personally will never understand the left's position that wire tapping/etc can be done on suspected criminals....but NOT on suspected terrorists...who are making plans to destroy our Nation....murder our people. It's nuts, imo.::
Perhaps you will never understand it because that is not the stated position. The objection o the Patriot act is that is removes checks and balances. There is no objection to placing a wire tap, the objection is to being able to order a wire tap without justification or oversight.
What I don't understand is why you feel that it is unneccesary for authorities to have to justify their actions to a judge in order to get the order just as they have had to do for years?
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No, I'm saying -- I'm merely -- I'm saying what I'm saying. I don't know why I'm always having people say, are you trying to say -- you know what you can do if you want to know what I'm saying is listen to what I'm saying. What I'm saying is what I said ...
posted on August 10, 2005 03:25:42 PM new
I believe it is a national security issue to reveal this information outside the intelligence agency.
This would open up a whole new department getting their hands on this information, and that department has employees who probably do not have a security clearance, as does the national agency.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Caroline
posted on August 10, 2005 03:53:58 PM new
Since when is a federal judge a security risk in the signing of wire tap warrants and when did they get their own governmental department?
FBI goes into judges chambers, presents cause for the warrant, judge approves cause, warrant granted. All parties exit chambers. No extrainious employees, no additional departments.
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No, I'm saying -- I'm merely -- I'm saying what I'm saying. I don't know why I'm always having people say, are you trying to say -- you know what you can do if you want to know what I'm saying is listen to what I'm saying. What I'm saying is what I said ...
An old college school mate....an eco-terrorist....arsonist.
ROFLMAO!
Caroline 
Caroline