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 kiara
 
posted on August 10, 2005 08:19:59 AM new

World Net Daily is a tabloid news site.


 
 Helenjw
 
posted on August 10, 2005 08:28:18 AM new

And World Net Daily is an extremely biased right-wing conservative news site.



 
 dblfugger9
 
posted on August 10, 2005 08:36:58 AM new
World Net Daily is a tabloid news site.

And that proves what? The National Enquirer is a tabloid. They released the story on Dana Reeves before any other media outlet had hold of it.

Just because something is considered tabloid doesnt necessarily mean everything they come out with is untrue, either. It may be subject to skeptism, but anyone with half a brain knows they intentionally blur they lines between truth and fiction for sensationalism and continued subscription.

Even the so called legitimate media has been out-scooped and out-truthed by them more than once.

Saying it's a tabloid site means nothing anymore.

 
 kiara
 
posted on August 10, 2005 08:41:18 AM new
I quickly did a search on the spring issue of the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons and did not see a 7000 figure for leprosy. If someone can find it, please post it here.

 
 fenix03
 
posted on August 10, 2005 09:25:58 AM new
Dbl - lets put it this way... I am more inclined to believe the CDC regarding numbers on communicable diseases that I am WorldNewDaily... or the National Enquirer.


Kiara - I'd love to find the source of that number too... everything I find goes towards dramatic drops wordwide so you would think numbers like those would be the topic of numerous medical papers.

# The large-scale use of MDT (Multi Drug Therapy) has reduced the disease burden dramtically. Over the last two decades over 13 million people have been cured of leprosy. The prevalence rate of the disease has dropped by 90% from 21.1 per 10,000 inhabitants to less than 0.8 per 10,000 in 2004.
# Today leprosy is a public health problem in only 9 counries - compared to 122 countries in 1985.


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- Ann Coulter
 
 fenix03
 
posted on August 10, 2005 09:29:41 AM new
::fenix, I would think alot of it goes undocumented. Perhaps unless there are children involved, some illegals might not even seek medical help if they have fears about it leading to deportation, or they dont have money or proof of residency, or whatever is involved in that?::

There are two problems with the theory. If it goes undocumented... then how do these politicians know the numbers in order to be able to quote them.

As for these people going untreated because they are undocumented, doesn't that kinds fly in the face of all of the accusations that they come for free medical care?

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No, I'm saying -- I'm merely -- I'm saying what I'm saying. I don't know why I'm always having people say, are you trying to say -- you know what you can do if you want to know what I'm saying is listen to what I'm saying. What I'm saying is what I said ...

- Ann Coulter
 
 Linda_K
 
posted on August 10, 2005 09:30:03 AM new
fenix - I too checked out the CDC website....and it's like trying to get through any government site.....grrrr.


But I have found a couple of links which I would hope would convince you that leprosy IS a growing problem in the US.


First I question why you don't accept the leprosy information from the MSN Encarta Encylopedia that I gave. And secondly why you are so quick to overlook what the doctors who treat this disease [that I've quoted] are saying. Is there some reason you wouldn't believe the doctors quote from the NY Hansen's Disease Clinic? I feel he would be extremely credibable.


Also, I'd like to point out that there are currently 16 leprosy clinics in the US. Why would there be a need, in your opinion, for 16 leprosy clinics in our country IF leprosy was not a growing problem? I don't understand that think process.


Give me a couple of minutes...and I'll post a couple more links, but there are thousands anyone can find on a google search. Hundreds and hundreds of quotes from the physicans who treat these leprosy patients.


The first link will show a map of the US and the areas where leprosy is most prevaliant. It's from the National Hansen's Disease website.

http://bphc.hrsa.gov/nhdp/Epidemiology_REHABILITATION.htm


And the list of the 16 clinics in the US that are for these patients.

http://bphc.hrsa.gov/nhdp/DIRECTORY_OF_CLINICS_AMBULATORY_CARE.htm


And remember....leprosy the length of time between contacting leprosy is between 2 - 10 years after the patient has contacted the disease. Kind of like AIDS....there's a long period between becoming infected and when it actually starts to show up in the body.




But I would appreciate you addressing my above questions....I'm going out so won't be responding for a while.


now...I've really got to run.


[ edited by Linda_K on Aug 10, 2005 09:44 AM ]
 
 fenix03
 
posted on August 10, 2005 09:35:49 AM new
Linda - It's not that I don't believe the doctor that states that "it's creeping" it's the politician that states 7000 cases that I don't believe.
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No, I'm saying -- I'm merely -- I'm saying what I'm saying. I don't know why I'm always having people say, are you trying to say -- you know what you can do if you want to know what I'm saying is listen to what I'm saying. What I'm saying is what I said ...

- Ann Coulter
 
 Linda_K
 
posted on August 10, 2005 09:37:26 AM new
So then you don't believe the MSN Encarta encylopedia information on the subject huh?



 
 dblfugger9
 
posted on August 10, 2005 09:48:19 AM new
If it goes undocumented... then how do these politicians know the numbers in order to be able to quote them...

I was not referencing politicians. I was referencing public opinion of the subject. But in the same light, surely you are not unaware of the margin worked in for unknowns? Even if anybody is quoting the numbers including the CDC?

 
 fenix03
 
posted on August 10, 2005 09:48:28 AM new
I know that there are lots of quotes from people Linda - what I am looking for is some type of factual basis for them.

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No, I'm saying -- I'm merely -- I'm saying what I'm saying. I don't know why I'm always having people say, are you trying to say -- you know what you can do if you want to know what I'm saying is listen to what I'm saying. What I'm saying is what I said ...

- Ann Coulter
 
 fenix03
 
posted on August 10, 2005 09:51:59 AM new
Dbl - are you saying that when the CDC quotes reported cases that they are lying and just added a few extra that are probably out there but not actually reported? Even if they do add a few cases... going from 96 cases in 2002 to 7000 cases in the following three years is a rather dramatic estimate bump wouldn't you say?


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No, I'm saying -- I'm merely -- I'm saying what I'm saying. I don't know why I'm always having people say, are you trying to say -- you know what you can do if you want to know what I'm saying is listen to what I'm saying. What I'm saying is what I said ...

- Ann Coulter
 
 dblfugger9
 
posted on August 10, 2005 10:11:09 AM new
c'mon fenix I am not saying they are lying about 'reported cases'. What I have stated is there is always a margin of error and when they make their overall estimatation of break-outs of diseases etc. they are fully aware of a certain percentage that goes undocumented, and they'd be a stupid bunch of scientists if that was left out of their full consideration. And it is most always footed noted as such in their reports.

Even if they do add a few cases... going from 96 cases in 2002 to 7000 cases in the following three years is a rather dramatic estimate bump wouldn't you say?

Actually, no, I would not particularly say. The type of diseases being discussed are highly contagious and could very quickly be pandemic.

Heck, I quoted figures of national health expenditures on obesity from 1995. Now whether it takes them a few years long to compile and analyze data enough to give a full picture, we all know that THOSE figures have dramatically changed since then. Why not highly contagious diseases? What is the ratio of influx of immigrants in two years?
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[ edited by dblfugger9 on Aug 10, 2005 10:17 AM ]
 
 fenix03
 
posted on August 10, 2005 10:25:03 AM new
We are not talking about "types of diseases", we are talking about Leprosy and it is not "highly contagious"

# Leprosy is not highly infectious. It is transmitted via droplets, from the nose and mouth, during close and frequent contact with those infected who are not on treatment with multidrug therapy.

# Most people have natural immunity to leprosy and only a few people develop the disease.

In order for that number to be correct, every leprosy paient in Mexico and at least two other countries in the past three years would have had to successfully immigrated to the US.

~~~ • ~~~ • ~~~ • ~~~ • ~~~
No, I'm saying -- I'm merely -- I'm saying what I'm saying. I don't know why I'm always having people say, are you trying to say -- you know what you can do if you want to know what I'm saying is listen to what I'm saying. What I'm saying is what I said ...
[ edited by fenix03 on Aug 10, 2005 10:30 AM ]
 
 Helenjw
 
posted on August 10, 2005 10:26:39 AM new

..."going from 96 cases in 2002 to 7000 cases in the following three years is a rather dramatic estimate bump wouldn't you say?

Yes, especially when information from neither the Pan American Health Organization or the World Health Organization supports that number.

According to the World Health Organization, the prevalence rate of the disease has dropped by 90%.





 
 dblfugger9
 
posted on August 10, 2005 10:30:44 AM new
LOL! oh, I'm sorry. I didnt realize it went from page one of LEPROSY, HEPATITIS AND TUBERCULOSIS RISING FAST IN UNITED STATES to strictly Leprosy.

So you think the fears of immigrants are limited strictly to Leprosy huh?


ooookkkaaay!

 
 Helenjw
 
posted on August 10, 2005 10:32:00 AM new

"In order for that number to be correct, every leprosy paient in Mexico in the past three years would have had to successfully immigrated to the US.

Good point, fenix...maybe even more that that.

1,470 cases of leprosy in Mexico 2001 (Regional Core Health Data Initiative, Pan American Health Organisation, 2003)



 
 fenix03
 
posted on August 10, 2005 01:07:01 PM new
No Dble but I di know that the statistics that we have been discussing for the past page are all dealing with leprosy... come on girl... keep up!
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No, I'm saying -- I'm merely -- I'm saying what I'm saying. I don't know why I'm always having people say, are you trying to say -- you know what you can do if you want to know what I'm saying is listen to what I'm saying. What I'm saying is what I said ...

- Ann Coulter
 
 Linda_K
 
posted on August 10, 2005 03:12:45 PM new
fenix - Is there some reason you're not answering MY questions to you? I'd really appreciate hearing your answers.


And I agree with others here....you are choosing to focus only on the leprosy issue....but in discussing the COST to American's from ALL the contageous diseases brought in by illegals.....that gives the total picture that deals with this thread topic....cost of deporting them...vs....cost of supporting them...in all the different ways we do.



I also don't feel you even bothered to read the links that I have provided as proof of the 7,000 cases of leprosy in the US. Otherwise you would have read a acceptable to many source....the WHO....who even helen quotes as gospel many times.



[i]According to the World Health Organization (WHO), in 1985 there were 5.4 million registered cases of leprosy and an estimated 10 to 12 million total cases worldwide.


By 2000, there were only 680,000 registered cases and an estimated 1.6 million total cases of leprosy worldwide. Fewer than 7,000 registered cases of leprosy currently exist in the United States.


Each year some 300 new cases of leprosy are identified in the United States. The vast majority of these patients are immigrants who acquired the disease in their home countries.

from the link I've already provided.


So I guess my next question is ....would YOU accept stats from the WHO?





"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter

And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
 
 Linda_K
 
posted on August 10, 2005 03:18:22 PM new
And on discrediting World Net Daily as a 'rag'. LOL LOL LOL

It's only one part of the NEW internet news media....like thousands of others that report the news.....OLD media doesn't control the news like they did years ago....we're in a new era...and online news is growing.


Want to spend a couple of days verifying that thousands of site mention the leprocy count in the U.S. @ 7,000.....read away....many reports/published articles in magazines written by doctors PHD's who AREN'T lying about the spread of this one disease in the U.S.


http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=7000+cases+of+leprosy+hansen%27s+disease+in+the+U.S.&btnG=Google+Search



"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter

And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
 
 Linda_K
 
posted on August 10, 2005 03:25:38 PM new
Also...I want to point out another issue on quoting OLD, outdated facts. The stats change....and the reason there is so much concern by so many of the doctors who treat these patients is because they're growing so rapidly....spreading rapidly.


Take for example the second link Amer. Resistance Fndn. They show that in the state of Virgina the TB rate has recently increased by 17%...and in WA DC...it's increased 188% SINCE 2002.


That's how quickly all this is changing.



"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter

And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
 
 Helenjw
 
posted on August 10, 2005 03:42:18 PM new
"By 2000, there were only 680,000 registered cases and an estimated 1.6 million total cases of leprosy worldwide. Fewer than 7,000 registered cases of leprosy currently exist in the United States.]By 2000, there were only 680,000 registered cases and an estimated 1.6 million total cases of leprosy worldwide. Fewer than 7,000 registered cases of leprosy currently exist in the United States."

You made it appear that this information is from WHO but it is not. Your figure of 7,000 is grossly exaggerated.

World net daily could say fewer that 100,000 registered cases of leprosy currently exist in the United States while in truth only 100 cases exist.



[ edited by Helenjw on Aug 10, 2005 03:44 PM ]
 
 Linda_K
 
posted on August 10, 2005 03:47:52 PM new
sure helen....whatever you want to believe....the figures FROM WHO are right there.....pointing out VERY clear for anyone else who wishes to read them.


I cannot believe the denial you get into....talk about rigidity.....you're the Queen of that too.,


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"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter

And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
 
 Helenjw
 
posted on August 10, 2005 03:51:29 PM new

Post the link that you used, linda.

 
 Linda_K
 
posted on August 10, 2005 04:01:41 PM new
Getting back to the topic of ALL the costs to American taxpayers illegals bring our tax dollars to be used for.


I'm also going to apologize before hand for all those who will have to scroll though so much c&p. But when looking to what illegals actually cost us...I think it's important to recognize ALL incurred costs.
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Google - These search terms have been highlighted: 7000 cases leprosy hansen's disease us--------- 

Illegal Aliens and American Medicine


Articles
By Madeleine Pelner Cosman, Ph.D., Esq.

The Journal of the American Physicians and Surgeons, Volume 10 Number 1 - Spring 2005


The Seen and the Unseen

The influx of illegal aliens has serious hidden medical consequences. We judge reality primarily by what we see. But what we do not see can be more dangerous, more expensive, and more deadly than what is seen....



What is unseen is their free medical care that has degraded and closed some of America's finest emergency medical facilities, and caused hospital bankruptcies: 84 California hospitals are closing their doors. 'Anchor babies' born to illegal aliens instantly qualify as citizens for welfare benefits and have caused enormous rises in Medicaid costs and stipends under Supplemental Security Income and Disability Income....



By default, we grant health passes to illegal aliens. Yet many illegal aliens harbor fatal diseases that American medicine fought and vanquished long ago, such as drug-resistant tuberculosis, malaria, leprosy, plague, polio, dengue, and Chagas disease.





What is seen is the political statistic that 43 million lives are at risk in America because of lack of medical insurance. What is unseen is that medical insurance does not equal medical care.



Uninsured people receive medical care in hospital emergency departments (EDs) under the coercive Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act of 1985 (EMTALA), which obligates hospitals to treat the uninsured but does not pay for that care. Also unseen is the percentage of the uninsured who are illegal aliens.



No one knows how many illegal aliens reside in America. If there are 10 million, they constitute nearly 25 percent of the uninsured. The percentage could be even higher.




EMTALA
The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA) requires every ED to treat anyone who enters with an 'emergency' - including cough, headache, hangnail, cardiac arrest, herniated lumbar disc, drug addiction, alcohol overdose, gunshot wound, automobile trauma, human immunodeficiency virus (HIV)-positive infection, mental problem, or personality disorder.... Any patient coming to a hospital ED requesting 'emergency' care must be screened and treated until ready for discharge, or stabilized for transfer - whether or not insured, 'documented,' or able to pay. A woman in labor must remain to deliver her child.
...




EMTALA is an unfunded federal mandate. Government imposes viciously stiff fines and penalties on any physician and any hospital refusing to treat any patient that a zealous prosecutor deems an emergency patient, even though the hospital or physician screened and declared the patient's illness or injury non-emergency....


[b]High-technology
EDs have degenerated into free medical offices[/b]. Between 1993 and 2003, 60 California hospitals closed because half their services became unpaid. Another 24 California hospitals verge on closure. Even ambulances from Mexico come to American EDs with indigents because the drivers know that EMTALA requires accepting patients who come....


Los Angeles County Trauma Care Network, built in 1983, was one of America's finest emergency medical response organizations....

EMTALA contributed to the Trauma Care Network's loss of focus and loss of money....


In Los Angeles, 95 percent of outstanding homicide warrants are for illegal aliens, as are 66 percent of fugitive felony warrants. The notorious 18 Street Gang has 20,000 members, of whom 60 to 80 percent are illegal aliens, according to the California Department of Justice and the Los Angeles Police Department, respectively....




Illegal aliens move freely in crime sanctuary cities. In Los Angeles, San Diego, Stockton, New York, Chicago, Miami, Austin, and Houston, no hospital, physician, city employee, or police officer is permitted to report immigration violators to the Department of Homeland Security's Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement...



Los Angeles Police Department, begun in 1979 by Chief Daryl Gates, prohibits police officers from 'initiating police action where the objective is to discover the alien status of a person.'




As many as 10,000 illegals cross the 1,940-mile-long border with Mexico each day. About 33 percent are caught. Many try again, immediately. Authorities estimate about 3,500 illegal aliens daily become permanent U.S. residents - at least 3 million annually. EMTALA rewards them with extensive, expensive medical services, free of charge, if they claim an emergency need for care....


Anchor Babies
American hospitals welcome 'anchor babies.' Illegal alien women come to the hospital in labor and drop their little anchors, each of whom pulls its illegal alien mother, father, and siblings into permanent residency simply by being born within our borders.
Anchor babies... instantly qualify for public welfare aid. Between 300,000 and 350,000 anchor babies annually become citizens because of the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution: 'All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and the State wherein they reside.'




In 2003 in Stockton, California, 70 percent of the 2,300 babies born in San Joaquin General Hospital's maternity ward were anchor babies, and 45 percent of Stockton children under age six are Latino (up from 30 percent in 1993). In 1994, 74,987 anchor babies in California hospital maternity units cost $215 million and constituted 36 percent of all Medi-Cal births. Now they account for substantially more than half....




Illegal aliens have translators, advocates, and middlemen supplied by immigrants' civil rights groups or by Medicaid.




MediCal in 2003 had 760,000 illegal aliens, up from 2002 when there were 470,000.


Supplemental Security Income is a nonmeans- tested federal grant of money and food stamps. People qualify easily. Scams, frauds, and cheats are rampant....



Among the organizations directing illegal aliens into America's medical systems are the Ford Foundation-funded Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Fund; the National Immigration Law Center; the American Immigration Lawyers Association; the American Bar Association's Commission on Immigration Policy, Practice, and Pro Bono; the Immigrant Legal Resource Center; the National Council of George Soros's Open Society Institute; the Migration Policy Institute; the National Network for Immigration and Refugee Rights; and the Southern Poverty Law Center. And there are more...


Immigrants on SSI, including legal aliens, refugees, and illegals with fraudulent Social Security cards, numbered a mere 127,900 aliens (3.3 percent of recipients) in 1982. By 1992 the numbers expanded to 601,430 entitled (10.9 percent of recipients). In 2003, this figure was several million (about 25 percent of recipients).


The National Imigration Law Center (NILC) proudly announced that it garnered for immigrants expensive cancer treatments, prenatal care, and critical health services by means of its litigation....


Many illegals who cross our borders have tuberculosis. That disease had largely disappeared from America, thanks to excellent hygiene and powerful modern drugs such as isoniazid and rifampin.



TB's swift, deadly return now is lethal for about 60 percent of those infected because of new Multi-Drug Resistant Tuberculosis (MDRTB). Until recently MDR-TB was endemic to Mexico....
[b]TB was virtually absent in Virginia until in 2002, when it spiked a 17 percent increase, but Prince William County, just south of Washington, D.C., had a much larger rise of 188 percent. Public health officials blamed immigrants.


In 2001 the Indiana School of Medicine studied an outbreak of MDR-TB, and traced it to Mexican illegal aliens. The Queens, New York, health department attributed 81 percent of new TB cases in 2001 to immigrants....



Chagas disease, also called American trypanosomiasis or 'kissing bug' disease is transmitted by the reduviid bug, which prefers to bite the lips and face. The protozoan parasite that it carries, infects 18 million people annually in Latin America and causes 50,000 deaths. This disease also infiltrates America's blood supply....



Leprosy, a scourge in Biblical days and in medieval Europe, so horribly destroys flesh and faces it was called the 'disease of the soul.'...Leprosy, Hansen's disease, was so rare in America that in 40 years only 900 people were afflicted.


Suddenly, in the past three years America has more than 7,000 cases of leprosy. Leprosy now is endemic to northeastern states because illegal aliens and other immigrants brought leprosy from India, Brazil, the Caribbean, and Mexico.




Dengue fever is exceptionally rare in America, though common in Ecuador, Peru, Vietnam, Thailand, Bangladesh, Malaysia, and Mexico. Recently there was a virulent outbreak of dengue fever in Webb County, Texas, which borders Mexico....



Polio was eradicated from America, but now reappears in illegal immigrants, as do intestinal parasites. Malaria was obliterated, but now is re-emerging in Texas.... Asians number 4 percent of Americans, but account for more than half of Hepatitis B cases.


CRAG: A Proposal to Prevent Medical Cataclysm


Tough medicine could end the cataclysm in American medicine. I suggest the acronym CRAG for four critical actions to reclaim America's EDs; to restore medicine's proud scientific excellence and profitability; and to protect Americans against bacterial, viral, parasitic, and fungal infectious diseases that illegal aliens carry across our borders.


Close America's borders.

Prevent illegal entry with fences, high-tech security devices, and troops re-deployed from Germany and South Korea. Deport illegal aliens. Homeland Security's Immigration and Customs Enforcement has a division of Detention and Removal dedicated to deportation. It is hobbled by the powerful Executive Office for Immigration Review (EOIR), the Department of Justice court system that consists of the U.S. Immigration Court (USIC) plus an appellate court, the Board of Immigration Appeals (BIA)....


Rescind the citizenship of anchor babies We must overturn the misinterpretation of the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.


The Constitution grants citizenship to all persons born or naturalized in the United States and "subject to the jurisdiction thereof." An illegal alien mother is subject to the jurisdiction of her country. The baby of an illegal alien mother also is subject to that home country's jurisdiction.



When the Fourteenth Amendment was ratified, its purpose was to assure rights of freedom and citizenship to newly emancipated Negro citizens. American Indians, however, were excluded from American citizenship because of their tribal jurisdiction. Also not subject to American jurisdiction were foreign visitors, ambassadors, consuls, and their babies born here. For citizenship, the person was required to submit to complete, exclusive American jurisdiction, owing allegiance to no other nation.



Long ago the Supreme Court correctly confirmed this restricted interpretation of citizenship in the so-called 'Slaughter-House cases' [83 US 36 (1873)] and in [112 US 94 (1884)]. In Elk v.Wilkins, the phrase 'subject to its jurisdiction' excluded from its operation 'children of ministers, consuls, and citizens of foreign states born within the United States.' In Elk, the American Indian claimant was born in America, but considered not An American citizen because the law required him to be 'not merely subject in some respect or degree to the jurisdiction of the United States, but completely subject to their political jurisdiction and owing them direct and immediate allegiance.'



To obtain citizenship, an American Indian had to separate from his tribe and be accepted by the United States as a citizen. A special act of Congress was needed to grant full citizenship to American Indians. The Citizens Act of 1924, codified in 8USCSß1401, provides that: The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
(a) a person born in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;
(b) a person born in the United States to a member of an Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe.
Congress by legislation has the right to create uniform rules on naturalization, and to create dual citizenship and similar variations upon 'jurisdiction.' We must be vigilant against congressmen voting to extend the list of those born here to include illegal aliens or other lawbreakers, conferring American citizenship and its generous social and medical benefits on babies born to criminals....



Aiding and abetting illegal aliens is a crime. Punish it. This will anger devotees of illegal aliens who believe that the Constitution guarantees them civil rights that trump American administrative, civil, and criminal laws.
Grant no new amnesties. We must choose either to surrender medicine to illegal aliens, or to fight illegal aliens.


Surrender to illegal aliens is surrender to collectivist America: land of moral ambiguity and home of pacifist appeasement. Fighting against illegal aliens is fighting for individualistic America: land of moral strength, and home of responsible liberty.


As we fight to reclaim medicine, so we defend our nation.


Madeleine Pelner Cosman, Ph.D., Esq., is a medical lawyer, who formerly taught medical students at the City University of New York.
[ edited by Linda_K on Aug 10, 2005 04:33 PM ]
 
 fenix03
 
posted on August 10, 2005 04:03:36 PM new
Linda - I did answer your questions... I ststed that I did not mistrust the doctor that made the general statement, I doubted the numbers that were quoted by a politician.

As for why there are 16 clinics, without knowing anything about them there is nothing that I can say. For instance are they also happen to work with Leprocsy patients among a gamut of other things? I can't give an opinion on them without knowing anything more about them than the fact that they exist. They could be the equivalent of the Latril clinics that sprung up as as little more than a money scheme since any doctor can do minimal research and get treatment info.


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No, I'm saying -- I'm merely -- I'm saying what I'm saying. I don't know why I'm always having people say, are you trying to say -- you know what you can do if you want to know what I'm saying is listen to what I'm saying. What I'm saying is what I said ...

- Ann Coulter
 
 Helenjw
 
posted on August 10, 2005 04:10:22 PM new

So, linda, you can't post the link because that information about 7,000 cases of leprosy did not come from the World Health Organization as you tried to lead us to believe.

Now, maybe you will be more careful about using World Net Daily as a source.









 
 carolinetyler
 
posted on August 10, 2005 04:24:05 PM new
She just posted the whole darn article, not just the link! What more do you need? It was the same article I mentioned from World Net Daily - neither site wrote the article, it is by Madeleine Pelner Cosman, Ph.D., Esq. and was published in the Journal of the American Physicians and Surgeons, Volume 10 Number 1 - Spring 2005.

How much more do you need?


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Caroline
 
 carolinetyler
 
posted on August 10, 2005 04:29:24 PM new
Here is the link to the article as it appeared, the references at the bottom are the sources of the data:
http://www.jpands.org/vol10no1/cosman.pdf

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Caroline
 
 Helenjw
 
posted on August 10, 2005 04:42:04 PM new


The problem, Caroline is that she tried to pass it off as coming from the World Health Organization and the truth is that it is from World Net Daily.

World Net Daily is not a reliable source, obviously. Both the World Health Org. and the Pan American Health Org don't support the information that 7,000 cases of leprosy are registered in the U.S.













[ edited by Helenjw on Aug 10, 2005 04:42 PM ]
 
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