posted on August 12, 2005 01:30:44 PM new
No wonder we can't get rid of the illegals in America. Everybody says it's so hard to find them.
But when they ARE found....we have judges like this idiot who releases them. They came here illegally....that's breaking our laws. But again....the judges side with the illegals.
IMO, judges like this one should be impeached....immediately if not sooner.
Judge Dismisses Trespassing Charges Against Illegal Immigrants
The Associated Press
Published: Aug 12, 2005
JAFFREY, N.H. (AP) - A judge on Friday dismissed trespassing charges against a group of illegal immigrants arrested by two small-town police chiefs who said they were frustrated by lax enforcement at the federal level.
The police chiefs in New Ipswich and Hudson were praised by law enforcement officers nationwide for their novel approach to homeland security. But lawyers for the immigrants argued that only the federal government has the power to regulate immigration, and [GET THIS ] that the state trespassing law was designed to apply to people intruding on private property.
"The criminal trespass charges against the defendants are unconstitutional attempts to regulate in the area of enforcement of immigration violations, an area where Congress must be deemed to have regulated with such civil sanctions and criminal penalties as it feels are sufficient," Judge L. Phillips Runyon III ruled.
The trespassing law says a person is guilty when he "knows that he is not licensed or privileged to do so, he enters or remains in any place."
The immigrants, most of whom were from Mexico, were cited by police during traffic stops this spring after they produced fake identification and admitted they were in the country illegally.
They pleaded innocent and were issued a citation - a violation akin to a parking ticket - which carries a fine and no jail time if convicted.
Last month, Runyon questioned lawyers on both sides at length about the use of the law and expressed doubt that he was the right authority to determine someone's immigration status.
AP-ES-08-12-05 1321EDT
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"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on August 12, 2005 01:35:51 PM new"The criminal trespass charges against the defendants are unconstitutional attempts to regulate in the area of enforcement of immigration violations, an area where Congress must be deemed to have regulated with such civil sanctions and criminal penalties as it feels are sufficient," Judge L. Phillips Runyon III ruled."
Sounds like a simple case of pass the buck and he's not going to play. Good for him!
posted on August 12, 2005 01:47:58 PM new
Very frustrating that with the INS being so overburdened that there is no method for state and local authorities to take action. In most instances, citations are only issued for them to appear in court - it is estimated that more than 95% do not return to make their appearance.
We need tools in place to address these issues. I can't blame these states for trying.
We just had a case in Virginia where the officer pulled over a carload of immigrants who admitted they had driven nonstop from Arizona and were in the country illegally. There was nothing this officer could do except let them go. They did arrest the driver for child endangerment and driving without a license. He had made an illegal U-Turn because he could not read the sign.
Here's the relevent part of the article from the Washington Times:
Federal authorities released 11 illegal aliens who were detained during a traffic stop in Annandale because immigration officials said they did not pose a threat to the public.
"The 11 passengers were processed and released," said Ernestine Fobbs, a spokeswoman for the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agency. "There were children involved, so it was better that we released them."
Authorities ordered the 11 Mexican nationals, three of whom are children, to return to immigration offices tomorrow for further processing. Ms. Fobbs said officials do not know where the illegals are in the meantime.
"It's up to them whether they come back," she said. "If they do not, they will be considered fugitives, and once we do encounter them again, they'll be removed from the United States. They stand to lose a lot if they do not appear."
The decision to release the aliens represents a larger struggle between local and federal officials on how to deal with illegal immigration, said Delegate David B. Albo, Fairfax County Republican.
"It highlights the problem that immigration violation is a federal offense and a state or county officer does not have the authority to detain them for a federal offense," Mr. Albo said. "You get your hands on them, and you have no authority to do anything."
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[ edited by carolinetyler on Aug 12, 2005 01:48 PM ]
posted on August 12, 2005 03:56:27 PM new
I could have sworn you were against judicial activism Linda.
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posted on August 12, 2005 04:02:24 PM new
Ship all of them to Canada, I read they are actively seeking Mexicans in immigrate.
"Why, it appears that we appointed all of our worst generals to command the armies and we appointed all of our best generals to edit the newspapers. I mean, I found by reading a newspaper that these editor generals saw all of the defects plainly from the start but didn't tell me until it was too late. I'm willing to yield my place to these best generals and I'll do my best for the cause by editing a newspaper." --Robert E. Lee
posted on August 12, 2005 04:05:15 PM new
:: had made an illegal U-Turn because he could not read the sign.::
Is that your assumption?
No U-Turn Sign - Mexico
NO U-Turn Sign - Virginia
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- Ann Coulter
[ edited by fenix03 on Aug 12, 2005 04:07 PM ]
posted on August 12, 2005 04:15:38 PM new
Activist judges??? LOL
The illegals have BROKEN our laws by entering illegally. Law enforcement is supposed to ENFORCE our laws. If the illegals are in their state....they are breaking our laws. And the state police should be able to lock them up, call INS and hand them over for deportation.
Anything other than that is pure craziness and exactly why we have the problem of so many MILLIONS of illegals here in the US that the taxpayers are tired of supporting.
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"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on August 12, 2005 04:25:26 PM new"The criminal trespass charges against the defendants are unconstitutional attempts to regulate in the area of enforcement of immigration violations, an area where Congress must be deemed to have regulated with such civil sanctions and criminal penalties as it feels are sufficient," Judge L. Phillips Runyon III ruled.
Sounds like a strict, constructionist reading of the NH trespass laws to me.
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posted on August 12, 2005 04:36:45 PM new
Linda - you are not that dense. The state police tried to reinterpret a law in order to give them abilities which they are expressly denied by federal law and the judge didn't play. He held up the rule of law in exactly the manner that you state that judges should. Just because you don't agree with the rule of law does not mean that his ruling was incorrect.
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posted on August 12, 2005 04:40:45 PM new
::If the illegals are in their state....they are breaking our laws. And the state police should be able to lock them up, call INS and hand them over for deportation.::
Well the judge had nothing to do with that Linda. they were brought in front of him on a charge of tresspassing which could not be upheld under the rule of law and so he iordered them released. Seems that your arguement should be with INS for not picking them up upon release, not fwith the judge for upholding the rule of law.
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- Ann Coulter
[ edited by fenix03 on Aug 12, 2005 04:41 PM ]
posted on August 12, 2005 04:51:41 PM new
I'll try saying it a different way.
If I am stopped in say Mississippi and the officers run a warrant check on me...and find out there's a warrent for my arrest in some other state....because I broke their law(s)....I can be held until the state of Mississippi comes to get me...or I am transported there.
I am saying the same thing should be done with the illegals when they are picked up/stopped anywhere. They entered illegally.
That is common sense....not this crap of releasing them....or finding an excuse as to why they need to be released. They didn't need to be charged with anything. They should have been held and turned over to INS. Who, imo, should immediately deport them.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on August 12, 2005 05:03:17 PM new
But Linda you cannot be held indefinitely and you can only be held as long the state that holds the warrant expresses an intention to extridite you. It does not seem from the case stated in your reference that the intention was to hold until INS came to take custody. They were specifically charged with a criminal offense which according to rule of law they did not offend. Your arguement is that the judge should have ignored the rule of law in order to serve a "greater good". I hate to break the news to you Linda - but that is called judicial activism and that is something which you have repeatedly complained about.
Your complaint should be with the INS and federal law, not with the judge.
My bet is that the New Hampshire INS may not be one of the more highly funded branches
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- Ann Coulter
[ edited by fenix03 on Aug 12, 2005 05:04 PM ]
posted on August 12, 2005 05:08:02 PM newI am saying the same thing should be done with the illegals when they are picked up/stopped anywhere. They entered illegally.
All this will do is waste tax payers' time and money.
How many times are Mexicans deported back to Mexico only for them to be back in the US within a week.
I guess the Department of Homeland security, the FBI and the INS should be tracking down illegal immigrants that just want to better their lives instead of tracking down terrroists.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
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President George Bush: "Over time the truth will come out."
President George Bush: "Our people are going to find out the truth, and the truth will say that this intelligence was good intelligence. There's no doubt in my mind."
Bush was right. The truth did come out and the facts are he misled Congress and the American people about the reasons we should go to war in Iraq.
posted on August 12, 2005 05:29:42 PM new
LindaTwelveK, why don't you go see that judge and explain who you are, that you're always right, that you have many judges(and everything else) in your family, that you changed your mind about activist judges, and demand he break the law to suit you.
posted on August 12, 2005 07:35:19 PM newAll this will do is waste tax payers' time and money.
So stop deporting them and make indentured servants of them......give em jobs and charge them to stay and work in the US.
Or I'll donate 500 rds of ammo so the cops can shoot them on sight after they ILLEGALLY cross the border.
"Why, it appears that we appointed all of our worst generals to command the armies and we appointed all of our best generals to edit the newspapers. I mean, I found by reading a newspaper that these editor generals saw all of the defects plainly from the start but didn't tell me until it was too late. I'm willing to yield my place to these best generals and I'll do my best for the cause by editing a newspaper." --Robert E. Lee
posted on August 12, 2005 07:59:37 PM new
::give em jobs and charge them to stay and work in the US.::
Wouldn't that be called "Income Tax"?
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posted on August 12, 2005 08:01:29 PM new
""Or I'll donate 500 rds of ammo so the cops can shoot them on sight after they ILLEGALLY cross the border.""
So full of hate Bear, you are one nasty piece of garbage......who do you recomend they shoot first, the babies? , the 10 year olds? The grandmothers?
Why are you donating ammo when you obviously would enjoy doing it yourself.
These people have done nothing to you . The only reason you want them shot is because they're not white.
posted on August 12, 2005 08:41:19 PM new
Thank God there are SANE people like Gov. Bill Richardson, New Mexico.
Today he declared his state a 'state of emergency'. He was interviewed on FOX NEWS and said the illegals are getting drugs through their borders....illegals through their borders....killing or stealing livestock from ranchers...etc...etc.
So, by declaring a state of emergency it will open up funds so they can better deal with this very troubling problem...illegals.
This extra funding will allow them to hire and use regular law enforcement officers to deal with this problem for his state.
Good move, imo, that Gov. Richardson has made. This will not only make a HUGE political statement but might just encourage other governors in border states to follow his example and do the same to keep the illegals OUT.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on August 13, 2005 05:41:51 AM new
mingotree that was totally uncalled for and smacks of racism. Best look in the mirror before you talk about others.
posted on August 13, 2005 06:52:51 AM new
This is what Bill Richardson said in 1996 when he was in the U.S. House of Representatives:
"These are changing political times where our basic and programs are being attacked. Illegal and legal immigration unfairly attacked. We have to band together and that means Latinos in Florida, Cuban-Americans, Mexican-Americans, Puerto Ricans, South Americans - we have to network better - we have to be more politically minded - we have to put aside party and think of ourselves as Latinos, as Hispanics, more than we have in the past."
I guess his views have changed
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
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President George Bush: "Over time the truth will come out."
President George Bush: "Our people are going to find out the truth, and the truth will say that this intelligence was good intelligence. There's no doubt in my mind."
Bush was right. The truth did come out and the facts are he misled Congress and the American people about the reasons we should go to war in Iraq.
posted on August 13, 2005 07:40:26 AM new
WashingtoneBayer
posted on August 13, 2005 05:41:51 AM
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mingotree that was totally uncalled for and smacks of racism. Best look in the mirror before you talk about others. ""
Ha! I think you better look up "racism" in the dictionary...
Why should I look in the mirror...I didn't make any racist statements.
posted on August 13, 2005 08:09:43 AM new
What's the difference if a few companies move their operations to Mexico so Mexicans can work and stay in their own country or if the Mexicans come here illegally for jobs?
I'd rather they stayed in their own country, instead of draining our already hurting resources.
posted on August 13, 2005 08:31:04 AM new
Well logansdad I don't think it's a waste of taxpayers money. And you living up in the very northern state of Illinois wouldn't understand how much of the taxpayers money is being wasted BECAUSE of illegals in the very southern states.
from signonsandiego.com today
ASSOCIATED PRESS
6:21 p.m. August 12, 2005
MEXICO CITY
The Mexican government criticized New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson's decision Friday to declare states of emergency in four border counties due to crime and migration, a move that free up funds to fence an area near the border.
Mexico said the declarations "don't jibe with the spirit of cooperation and understanding" and ordered its consul in Albuquerque to meet with New Mexico officials "to promote appropriate actions by the officials of both countries." YEA, like Mexico IS or has been cooperating with US to help with the illegal problem.
Richardson cited "violence directed at law enforcement, damage to property and livestock, increased evidence of drug smuggling and an increase in the number of undocumented immigrants" in declaring the emergency.
He said the border security situation "constitutes an emergency condition with potentially catastrophic consequences."
posted on August 13, 2005 08:49:22 AM new
Ron, you may have seen my previous post referring to mingotree/crowfarm as reminding me of Linda Blair and the picture someone posted of her vomiting.
This comment of her's is JUST the type of statement she makes that I was referring to:
mingotree - posted on August 12, 2005 09:21:42 PM
LindaTwelveK,Bear, Caroline, I just want to know who in your group hands out the white sheets and hoods.
Sometimes you just have to totally ignore her when she's in the process of vomiting up her own hatred of others.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on August 13, 2005 08:56:32 AM new
twig - One of the differences is a huge one. The closing of our American hospitals ...in VERY large numbers because of them coming to the states.
Heck...news reports speak to the Mexican government providing ambulance services so that their most sick can come to the states for free medical care. And because they've been allowed to get away with that...our own poor, unable to pay for health care citizens are now being punished because the hospitals are going bankrupt and closing.
That's just ONE 'what's the difference' problem.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
] that the state trespassing law was designed to apply to people intruding on private property.
Caroline 
