posted on August 15, 2005 08:05:53 AM new
You're correct, Ron. Colmes isn't as far left as helen....not by a LONG shot. And while I don't agree many times with his political positions....ANYONE can see he LOVES our country....very much unlike helen.
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helen, you really must learn to speak for yourself, your own positons, own thoughts, etc. Because everytime you speak for ME you are WRONG.
You said:
She believes, based on that name.....
See what I mean? You have NO CLUE to what I believe about anything unless I state it. You have no clue WHAT I base WHAT on, unless I state it.
democratsunderground is a radical left website and is often referred to by the right leaning media because of the OUTRAGEOUS and anti-American things said on that site.
So, again.....don't tell others what I base anything on, when you don't actually know.....but are using your 'underground' mindthink to come up with all these falsehoods/lies that you do.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on August 15, 2005 08:23:35 AM new "democratsunderground is a radical left website and is often referred to by the right leaning media because of the OUTRAGEOUS and anti-American things said on that site."
Are you a regular reader, linda or did you read this in your right wing rags? Perhaps your most significant source Drudge gave you that impression?
We all know that it's useless to tell you to back up your allegation about the Democratic Underground because you have none. So fling out your nasty, unfounded allegations...That's your Fascist style.
The fourteen characteristics of a Fascist that I listed in this thread describe you to a tee. On what basis to you believe that I am a communist? You should heed your own words linda when you said,..."you really must learn to speak for yourself, your own positons, own thoughts, etc"
posted on August 15, 2005 09:12:08 AM new
I wouldn't say they were equivalent. If Linda posts a link to a news source, etc, the response is invariably the same:
1) The diatribe about "Bush & the 'publicans"
2) A link to some wacko site and some ultra wacko's COMMENTARY as "proof" that Linda's initial statement was wrong.
But never is there an answer to the original post, just the same endless, repetitive mantra.
When Iraq was under sanction and Hussein was stealing billions from the program, the Times reports were no good because Helen had just read the UN report about the number of dead Iraqi babies per square mile because of the sanctions, "based on Iraqi figures". In her mind these sources were equivalent, and you'll NEVER be able to debate logic like that.
posted on August 15, 2005 09:25:37 AM new
You are one of the few posters who can write a false, skewed and twisted report of what happened better than linda. In my opinion, your failed efforts to appear intelligent by use of sarcastic contempt and ridicule leave you looking like an uneducated fool.
posted on August 15, 2005 09:56:38 AM new
Well said, desquirrel....and ALL based in the FACT of what happens.
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helen...that may be your opinion....but like you and others....it's not based in truth, desquirrel's is. And anyone whose been around for a while knows it to be true.
The NYT and WA Post aren't liberal, in YOUR opinion.
America is always at fault for whatever is being claimed...and you side with our accusors.
You're an Internationalist first, not an American first....who doesn't appear to me to ever give our country the benefit of the doubt about anything all the communist/terrorist/anti-american countries in the UN say about us or accuse us of. You're ALWAYS on their side of the issue.
Most all of your links come from the wacko liberal sites....not normal democratic ones. They're your gospel. If something is said by them....then it's a FACT...
And you don't address the hard political questions put to you here.
You did blame our country for the deaths of those babies....didn't ONCE put the blame on saddam.
Nope, it's always our fault in your eyes. And you supported lifting those same sanctions too. Chose to side with saddam's plea to the UN.
So deny away helen....those who already know the truth about your radicalism....know it's true. Those who don't want to believe it...never will....and that includes how you see your own actions.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
[ edited by Linda_K on Aug 15, 2005 10:00 AM ]
posted on August 15, 2005 10:36:53 AM new
[i]But in his radio address on Saturday, President Bush indirectly answered Sheehan's questions:
"The terrorists cannot defeat us on the battlefield," President Bush said. "The only way they can win is if we lose our nerve. That will not happen on my watch."
President Bush repeated that withdrawing U.S. troops from Iraq prematurely would "betray the Iraqi people and would cause others to question America's commitment to spreading freedom and winning the war on terror."
He said the United States will honor its war dead by completing the mission for which they gave their lives. (The war dead include Sheehan's son, Casey Sheehan.)
President Bush also said Iraqi leaders are now finishing work on a constitution that will go before Iraqi voters later this year. He called the constitution a "critical step on the path to Iraqi self-reliance," and he said the U.S. is helping Iraq succeed:
"We're hunting down the terrorists and training the security forces of a free Iraq so Iraqis can defend their own country. Our approach can be summed up this way: As Iraqis stand up, we will stand down. And when that mission of defeating the terrorists in Iraq is complete, our troops will come home to a proud and grateful nation."
President Bush said again that the nation "grieves the death of every man and woman we lose in combat, and our hearts go out to the loved ones who mourn them. Yet, even in our grief, we can be confident in the future, because the darkness of tyranny is no match for the shining power of freedom."
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on August 15, 2005 10:38:21 AM new
I made this remark over a year ago about sanctions...Linda when YOU were blaming our country under the leadership of Clinton... for failing to secure the weapons of mass destruction.
You seem to think of Clinton as a God like figure. Clinton did work with the U.N and established sanctions so that Saddam could not easily arm the country with WMD. He bombed the poor country almost into oblivion. I can remember protests against the number of bombings. Attempts to maintain inspections were also enforced.
Bush on the other hand sold the country on a unilateral preemptive invasion...the first in the history of the country. He manipulated America, Congress and the world with lies related to WMD in order to justify the invasion. Don't you believe that Bush should be responsible for the Bush war. How can you blame Clinton for the Iraq disaster that was engineered by Bush. How can you blame Clinton for the lies and manipulation to justify such a war. How can you blame Clinton that Bush chose to wage this war alone without a plan for exit and without troops trained for peacekeeping after the war. I don't believe that Clinton would have handled the situation that way.
posted on August 15, 2005 10:43:00 AM new
from the same article above...taken from today's CNS.com
But in an appearance on Fox News Sunday, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) said he has seen the president grieve for U.S. troops killed in the line of duty in Iraq.
"Look, I've been with the president of the United States when he has met with the families of those brave young men and women who have sacrificed.
I have seen his compassion, I have seen his love, I have seen his concern.
So any charge of insensitivity or uncaring on the part of this president, is absolutely false. He care and he grieves," McCain told Fox News's Chris Wallace.
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And while I understand the radical dems here would NEVER believe the above statements of Sen. McCain....the democratic party and ol' "i-served-in-VN", kerrym, wanted to see him be his vice-president.
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"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
[ edited by Linda_K on Aug 15, 2005 10:51 AM ]
posted on August 15, 2005 10:56:28 AM new
Well, that clears Everything up!
It appears that all that I mentioned over a year ago was found to be TRUE.
I made this remark over a year ago about sanctions...Linda when YOU were blaming our country under the leadership of Clinton... for failing to secure the weapons of mass destruction.
You seem to think of Clinton as a God like figure. Clinton did work with the U.N and established sanctions so that Saddam could not easily arm the country with WMD. He bombed the poor country almost into oblivion. I can remember protests against the number of bombings. Attempts to maintain inspections were also enforced.
Bush on the other hand sold the country on a unilateral preemptive invasion...the first in the history of the country. He manipulated America, Congress and the world with lies related to WMD in order to justify the invasion. Don't you believe that Bush should be responsible for the Bush war. How can you blame Clinton for the Iraq disaster that was engineered by Bush. How can you blame Clinton for the lies and manipulation to justify such a war. How can you blame Clinton that Bush chose to wage this war alone without a plan for exit and without troops trained for peacekeeping after the war. I don't believe that Clinton would have handled the situation that way.
posted on August 15, 2005 11:13:21 AM new
The only thing it CLEARS up helen....is the fact you deny what you've said in the past. You ALWAYS deny everything you've said....everything you've defended that is pro-saddam and anti-American.
That's the sad truth.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on August 15, 2005 11:34:49 AM new
Oh....other unilateral preemptive actions.
NOT as helen accused this President of being alone in doing....accused him of being the FIRST.
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desquirrel - I have a question for you, if you're willing to share your own personal opinion/position on it.
And that is, under the definition of 'unilateral preemptive'
wouldn't clinton's bombing of Iraq in Dec. 1998 be considered unilateral preemptive action? I've always judged it as such....but others disagree as all well know.
He didn't have UN approval...he didn't have the support from the major world leaders, HECK he didn't even have our Congressional approval to do it....etc. But he bombed them anyway.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
[ edited by Linda_K on Aug 15, 2005 11:37 AM ]
as all well know.