posted on August 16, 2005 04:46:47 PM new
Something I've never understood is why so many democrats side with the Arabs against Israel.
The dems are having a hard enough time trying to win elections....and their 'base' seems to be leaving them. In this case, their base being the hispanic and black votes....more went republican in 2004.
Then we have the breakup of the big unions....who have always been supportive of the dem party.....now it's questionable as to how much they'll still support them.
And then I ran across this article ....and wonder if the dem party is also going to see the American Jewish population leaving and going republican too.
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Is "Blame Israel First" the Democrats' Message?
Contact: Matthew Brooks
Monday, August 15, 2005
"You get America out of Iraq and Israel out of Palestine
and you'll stop the terrorism."
-- Cindy Sheehan, anti-war protestor in Crawford.
The front page of just about every newspaper this weekend noted the anti-war protest of Cindy Sheehan, the mother of a soldier who was killed in Iraq.
The Democrats have jumped on board Ms. Sheehan's protest – casting her and her message as heroic examples for the rest of the nation.
She has been heralded by Democrats such as Joe Trippi, campaign manager for Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean's campaign for President, Michael Moore, and organizations such as Democrats.com, MoveOn.org, True Majority, and Democracy for America.
While Democrats are busy making Cindy Sheehan their spokesman and avatar of their views, we see her as yet another example of how critics of Israel within the Democratic Party have taken control of the party's agenda.
If Cindy Sheehan's ideas are what the Democrats have to offer, then more and more American Jews will continue to see that there is no place for them in the Democratic Party.
Take another look at the quote at the top of this letter. If only it were an aberration. Unfortunately, it represents only a tip of the iceberg of Ms. Sheehan's world-view. In a letter to Nightline, Ms. Sheehan wrote that the entire Iraq War was part of a neo-conservative plot to benefit Israel:
Am I emotional? Yes, my first born was murdered. Am I angry? Yes, he was killed for lies and for a PNAC Neo-Con agenda to benefit Israel. My son joined the Army to protect America, not Israel.
Cindy Sheehan's letter
And Ms. Sheehan, the voice of Democrat opposition to the war, reported what she would tell the President if she were to meet him (again): You tell me the truth. You tell me that my son died for oil. You tell me that my son died to make your friends rich. You tell me my son died to spread the cancer of Pax Americana, imperialism in the Middle East.
www.truthout.org
Is that where the Democrats are on the War in Iraq – and on US policy in the Middle East? The elimination of Saddam Hussein's tyrannical rule is a victory for the oil companies and for American imperialism?
You know, as well as I, that Saddam Hussein launched scud missiles at Israel.
You know that he operated rape rooms and torture chambers.
You know that he launched chemical weapons at his own people.
You know that he housed terrorists as his guests in Iraq – terrorists such as Abu Nidal and Abu Abbas, who murdered Leon Klinghoffer on the Achille Lauro cruise ship.
You know that Saddam paid a bounty of $25,000 to the families of Palestinian homicide bombers.
You know that he was a threat to the stability of the entire region.
You also know that there were strong links between Saddam's Iraq and Al Qaeda (for a new comprehensive summary of the latest evidence, check out www.HusseinAndTerror.com).
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Is "Blame Israel First" the Democrats Message.
So is this a shared view that our dems here have of Israel? Do ALL liberals see this in the same way Cindy Sheehan does? If so...they might need to get ready to lose even more of their 'base' to the republicans in future elections.
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And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
[ edited by Linda_K on Aug 16, 2005 04:50 PM ]
posted on August 16, 2005 05:21:41 PM new
Hasn't it always been the policy of the left to blame "Anyone but us"?
"Why, it appears that we appointed all of our worst generals to command the armies and we appointed all of our best generals to edit the newspapers. I mean, I found by reading a newspaper that these editor generals saw all of the defects plainly from the start but didn't tell me until it was too late. I'm willing to yield my place to these best generals and I'll do my best for the cause by editing a newspaper." --Robert E. Lee
posted on August 16, 2005 06:02:39 PM new
No, Caroline, it sure doesn't. It sounds just like all the 'angry liberals' we hear from all the time. Not a moderate dem at all, imo. She admits herself she's 'radicalized'.
I'll take HER word for that.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on August 16, 2005 06:05:28 PM new
Linda - Are you asking why Democrats do not find Isreal blameless or if they believe that the Iraq invasion was "a neo-conservative plot to benefit Israel". ?
As for the latter...you know, we have heard from many a voice from many different backgrounds, cultures and philosophies on this board in the past two and half years, but not once have I heard that one. Personally I'm not a big fan the Bush administration, Neon-conservatives, or Isreal and even I have a hard time not shaking my head at that one.
As for why many democrats side with Palestine in the conflict... it's because Isreal plays on historical guilt to get away with murder. If any other country pulled some of the stunts Isreal has pulled over the years we would be all over them but as long as it's Isreal we just wag our finger and deny them sprinkles on their dessert. It's only natural that when you have two goups that both bahaving badly but only one ever catches hell that eventually people are going to start feeling for them.
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[ edited by fenix03 on Aug 16, 2005 06:06 PM ]
posted on August 16, 2005 06:14:42 PM new
BTW - You have one case of one slightly off center womn stating this opinion and suddenly you are assigning that philosophy to the entire democratic party and it's leadership and wondering what they are thinking? That is one record setting leap you made there Linda.
That's like saying that the democratic party is changing it's view on the death penalty just because I said that I am not only for it, but I am against Life without Possibility of Parole sentences. I don't speak for the party as a whole and neither does Cindy and although we may have certain philosophies that are in line with the "party line", it's only natural that a free thinking person will occasional stray far from the heard on some issues. Of course the difference is that mine is sane...and hers is...well...touched.
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[ edited by fenix03 on Aug 16, 2005 06:15 PM ]
posted on August 16, 2005 06:20:08 PM new
I'm asking fenix if dems that see the 'hard core' dems in their party are at all concerned about more Jewish voters going right...rather than continuing to support dem party.
No denying that there's anti-semitism in the dem party...and even a couple of the anti-Jewish slurs have been mentioned in the press. But basically our policy has been supportive of Israel and not quite so supportive of the Arab groups that support terrorism....against anyone, but in this situation against Israel.
Are the more moderate dems in your party okay with the radical dem position? Or do you believe ALL dems would like to see US support of Israel come to a screeching halt?
I never got the impression that clinton was pro-Arab's and anti-Israels. Do you see that differently? Our National policy was pretty much the same....supportive of Israel wasn't it?
But like from this article....it appears to me that Cindy Sheehan and those that are financing her...must be in agreement that Israel need to 'take a hike' and get out , go somewhere else.....in order to bring peace to that region.
I personally feel they have every right to be where they are. I don't see this Gaza movement as a positive end to the violence...and I believe that they want Jews removed from the face of the earth....if they can get more agreement on doing just that. I don't see them ever being happy UNLESS that were to happen.
But more importantly to me personally, I see Israel as having worked very very hard, bending and bending to please the Arabs....to no avail. And I don't understand how the dem party, as a whole, appears to see it the way you do. That it's Israel's actions that provoke this...rather than it's the Arabs that keep pushing and pushing....even though they LOST the wars.
Reminds me of the terrorists when they speak....not going to be happy with ANYTHING until they get what they want. No compromise on their minds. It's their way or death. I see that the same way from the Arabs.
posted on August 16, 2005 06:30:20 PM new
::But more importantly to me personally, I see Israel as having worked very very hard, bending and bending to please the Arabs....to no avail.::
Huh? They decided they wanted a wall so they hopped on their dozers and took out any Palestian home that was in the way of where they wanted the wall to be, then they startd work on the wall, took a look behind them and decided they had not created quite enough "buffer" near the wall, got back in their dozers and knocked down even more homes. How in the world is that "bending to please"?
Look... the Paestinians are not without blame but trying to hand it all to them is like saying that the Hatfield and the McCoys was a one sided issue. There are two countries behaving badly but for some reason, we seem to be blind to one sides actions.
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posted on August 16, 2005 06:34:05 PM new
::I'm asking fenix if dems that see the 'hard core' dems in their party are at all concerned about more Jewish voters going right...rather than continuing to support dem party.::
I wouldn't think so. When you hear Zell MIller do you worry moderate republicans may turn against the party or do you give people more credit to realize that no one individual or fringe group speaks for the party as a whole?
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posted on August 16, 2005 06:38:57 PM new
No, fenix, imo it's no where near the same as one person [CS] makes a statement and then the Republican Jewish Coaliation [NOT me ] thinks they're going to get more Jewish voters coming into their ranks......they're saying it, imo, because the hard core left is backing and supporting what CS is saying in public to the MSM and all the press.
That's what makes it look like the dem party is changing it's position.
And with the names listed of those dems and dem supporter that DO agree with her....you can't say 'its's just what one person is saying'.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on August 16, 2005 07:04:40 PM new
Linda , just because someone agrees with her anti-war sentiment does not mean that they agree with all of her philosophies.
Do I think that republican groups will hope that more jeweish citizens will join their ranks if they try to assign a fringe belief to the party at large? Of course. I think there are groups on both sides that will lie cajole and manipulate others and their words to serve their own purpose and I don't put anything past them, republican or democrat.
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[ edited by fenix03 on Aug 16, 2005 07:05 PM ]
posted on August 17, 2005 09:22:18 AM new
"they decided they wanted a wall"
They sure did. And it has succeeded beyond their wildest expectations. It was not the displaced Palestinians fault that they are proxies for their more genocidal 11th century friends, but it MORE SO not the Israelis fault.
I know people like to make things as complicated as possible, but it simply comes down to "who do you support?". Israeli or Syria or Iran or .....
posted on August 18, 2005 08:38:21 AM new
I couldn't agree more on the 'wall' working extremely well in cutting down on the murders of Israeli's AND on whose side I'd choose.
Here we are watching heart-wrenching film of Israelis being carried out of the Gaza Strip....a place they were asked to go into to 'settle'. Now all these years later being told they have to leave.
WHY? Because they can't live there safely and too many Israeli soldiers live have been given up in protecting them. Because of WHOM???? The hamas terrorists.
And as I previous noted....will this really bring peace? I said I didn't think it would because there is NO PLEASING groups like the Hamas terrorists. That they won't be happy UNTIL ALL Jews are pushed into the Sea...or killed.
And how is Hama reacting to this 'peace' movement...Israel giving them this land back?
"Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal declared on Wednesday that the Israeli withdrawal from the Gaza Strip and northern West Bank marked the beginning of the end of the Zionist dream in Palestine."
"Mashaal was speaking to reporters in Beirut and his remarks were broadcast live by a number of major Arab TV satellite stations."
Dubbing the pullout a "defeat in the face of Palestinian resistance and a significant step with historic dimensions," Mashaal said that as far as Hamas was concerned, the disengagement marked the beginning of the death of the Zionist dream.
"The resistance and the steadfastness of or people forced the Zionists to withdraw," he boasted. "The resistance is capable of ending the Israeli occupation and achieving all our rights. The armed struggle is the only strategy that Hamas possesses."
Mashaal reiterated his movement's refusal to lay down its weapons, saying Hamas's duty was to defend the Palestinians and help them restore their rights. "As long as Palestinian lands remain under occupation, Hamas won't law down its weapons," he stressed.
He said, however, that Hamas was not interested in a confrontation with the Palestinian Authority. "Hamas is not competing with the Palestinian Authority, but we reject attempts to monopolize power," he explained.
Mahmoud Zahar, Hamas's overall leader in the Gaza Strip, said in an interview published on Wednesday that his movement will move its activities to the West Bank after the disengagement.
"Now, after the victory in the Gaza Strip, we will transfer the struggle first to the West Bank and later to Jerusalem," Zahar told the London-based pan-Arab daily Asharq Al-Awsat. "We will continue the struggle until we liberate all our lands. This is an important day for the Palestinians and proof that the armed struggle has born fruit."
Asked about Hamas's future plans, Zahar said: "Neither the liberation of the Gaza Strip, nor the liberation of the West Bank or even Jerusalem will suffice us. Hamas will pursue the armed struggle until the liberation of all our lands. We don't recognize the state of Israel or its right to hold onto one inch of Palestine. Palestine is an Islamic land belonging to all the Muslims."
Zahar said the disengagement would boost morale in the Arab and Muslim world and positively influence the [anti-US] campaign in Afghanistan and Iraq.
"We are part of a large global movement called the International Islamic Movement," he explained.
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And I think we'd all be better off realizing that NOTHING is going to appease them....UNTIL their goals have been met. It IS us against them...and imo, we'd better start realizing the fact that neither Israel nor the US trying to appease these murders is going to bring peace via compromising with them.
posted on August 18, 2005 09:53:13 AM new
Linda - for some reason you seem to think that Hamas is the ruling party of Palestine which it is not. The land is being given up in an attempt to further the peace and negotiations between Israel and Palestine. Hamas is a terrorist group within Palestine but it is not a ruling party. the best way to put this group down is to change public opinion against them.
Do you really believe that the Palestinian people are going to offer widespread support to an organization if their actions may result in the losing the possibility of the return of more land? Gaza is the first step. If peace ensues then Sharon has already said that there will be more land to follow.
it is not a "reward", it's a bribe. It's a pawn negotiations. We give you this, you give us that. I realize from the body of your posting opinions that you have very little belief in the concept of negotiation but luckily there are world leaders that feel differently.
Ironically despite all of the talking heads discussing the possibility of Palestinian attacks during this time, the only acts of terrorism connected to this pull out have been on the part of Israelis.
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posted on August 18, 2005 10:04:32 AM new
LOL fenix - Like I don't know who's who and who's doing what? Your statement about my knowledge couldn't be more wrong.
And as I've read....Sharon's decision to do this has totally divided Israel. One half think it was a good thing to do...the other half DON'T. They're just as divided on this as we are.
And you're always the one accusing the Israel's when they're doing anything to stop the terrorists from killing more of their citizens....and now you appear to give the Hama's absolutely NO BLAME for most of the violence that's gone on for years....saying 'they're not the party leaders'. Guess what? It hasn't mattered as the Pal. party leaders have allowed/approved of however you wish to put it of the murderous actions of the terrorists.
The world can see who's been in power/control....and it hasn't been the party leaders. They CAN'T control the terrorists....I believe because they really haven't wanted to.
As we can see my their statement....they have NO INTENTION of stopping their murderous ways. They see Sharon's 'compromise' as a WIN FOR THEM. Can't deny that.
bbl
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on August 18, 2005 10:09:19 AM newLinda - for some reason you seem to think that Hamas is the ruling party of Palestine which it is not. The land is being given up in an attempt to further the peace and negotiations between Israel and Palestine...
Strange.. you didnt feel the need to point this out when Cheryl was likening it to imminent domain in the United States?
posted on August 18, 2005 10:24:26 AM new
First of all - I didn't see where Cheryl did that but if I had I would say that comparing the the two is a huge reach comsidering that one's intention is to continue further a peaceful solution to a dispute that has caused thousands of lives thru te years and the intention of the other is to build a mall.
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posted on August 18, 2005 10:33:05 AM new
::LOL fenix - Like I don't know who's who and who's doing what? Your statement about my knowledge couldn't be more wrong.::
I didn't say anything about your knowledge. i was referring to your belief in negotiation (or lack thereof) and considering that anytime someone has presented negotiations as a possible solution to an issue your response generally has been something along the lines of "why negotiate when we can just force them to bend to our will."
::And as I've read....Sharon's decision to do this has totally divided Israel. One half think it was a good thing to do...the other half DON'T. They're just as divided on this as we are.::
Actually when this was first approved, the public was overwhelmingly for it. They agreed with the concept and they thought it was a good move. It was not until the opponents started to personalize the issue and tug at the heart strings that people started changing their minds. I don't blame them for having questions about this in the past few weeks... I mean who was not torn as you watched families removed from their homes? You would have to be a heartless bastard to simply not care but at the end of the day you have to keep your eye on the prize.
What amazes me is the absolute legitimacy that you have awarded to a terrorist organization. Hamas's leadership can spew all the rhetoric they want and of course they are going to try to claim credit for this but why is it that you give them more credit than you do the people of Palestine?
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posted on August 18, 2005 02:27:58 PM new
fenix - Linda - for some reason you seem to think that Hamas is the ruling party of Palestine which it is not. The land is being given up in an attempt to further the peace and negotiations between Israel and Palestine. Hamas is a terrorist group within Palestine but it is not a ruling party.
THAT is what I took as you saying I didn't have that knowledge....when I did.
You're a lot younger than I am fenix and I've read about the Israel vs terrorist and Palestine issue since you were most likely a baby. So I didn't much appreciate you speaking to me like I don't know what's been going on for most of my adult life.
We can all see, quite clearly for at least the beginning of this administration that the Palestine's have NOT been able to control their terrorist supporters.
Like I said above...the Hamas leader has just now made it quite clear that this so-called compromise that's going down IS NOT going to bring the peace to Israel that Sharon is hoping it will.
Imo, it's NEVER been the Palestinians nor the terrorist group Hamas that have sought PEACE. But in all the years I've watched the terror in that region, it's been Israel who has tried to do everything it can to bring peace to their people....to no avail.
And it's very clear to me that the reason is....just as they've stated. They DON'T WANT peace, they want ALL Jews removed from that part of the world - from the face of the earth. And, imo, this agreement and sacrifice the Israeli's are now making, is never going to bring what the Jews hope for, BECAUSE the Arab's don't want peace.
Change public opinion? LOL LOL In the middle east? LOL sure.....dream on. Israel stands ALONE over there and in most of our world. That's why the US helps to support them....
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And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
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posted on August 18, 2005 02:54:46 PM new
::We can all see, quite clearly for at least the beginning of this administration that the Palestine's have NOT been able to control their terrorist supporters.:
Well, you are older than me so you probably already know this but for the first part of this administration the were under a different ruler. Since I am quite sure you do not want this administration to be judged based on the Clinton administration I'm not sure why you are completely ignoring that there is a new government in place in Palestine... one whose existance you have completely ignored during this entire post while equatin only Hamas with Palestine. I was not talking down to you Linda, I was directly addressing the statements within your post. I'm reaally not quite sure why you are so insulted by my statement since even in this latest post you ignore the existance and efforts of their current government and once again portray Hamas as if it speaks for all of Palestine as opposed to just being a terrorist group wiuthin it's borders.
I realiz that you will never acknowledge Palestinian leaders have made strides towards peace, I think you actually find comfort in believing that everything arab is evil. It's easier to just be able to look at someone and say.. arab... evil than to have to take time to understand them and know what their mindset is. It's like all of the people that look at a latino in a low wage job and immediately assume that they are illegal.
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posted on August 18, 2005 03:00:53 PM new
::Change public opinion? LOL LOL In the middle east? LOL sure.....dream on. Israel stands ALONE over there and in most of our world. That's why the US helps to support them....::
Read what I said again Linda - it had absolutely nothing to with the world opinion of Palestine, Palestinians or Isreal. I was talking about turning Palestinian public opinion against Hamas an dtheir action as continued acts of terrorism by them would serve only in eliminating any possibility of regaining the West Bank territory.
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posted on August 18, 2005 03:15:49 PM new
fenix - What I'm trying to say, that you're not picking up on is this:
Even IF Palestians public opinion did change, which I honestly don't see EVER happening, it hasn't in my lifetime.....they still back/support and agree with the GOALS of Hamas. They can give all the lip-service they want, speaking out against the violence. But their goals are the same....eliminate the Jews from the ME.
And yes, I've been totally aware of the changes in leadership....hasn't reduced the violence very much. And when there is violence you and other dems blame it all on Israel. That's what I don't understand.
The Palestians LOST TWO wars to Israel. And yet Israel is the only one giving up anything [their land]. clinton had a plan [peace agreement] that the whole WORLD thought would be accepted by the Palestinians....and it wasn't. They're never going to be happy....never....no matter how much is given to them. You'll see, BECAUSE the leadership can't control the hatefilled murdering terrorists/Hamas.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on August 18, 2005 04:11:24 PM new
Belonged to them twice Krafty. Arafat was foolish to pass up the deal that Clinton brokered, it's unfortunate since it could have saved so many lives. With any luck the returnng of Gaza to the Palestinians will have the same end resullt that returning the Sinai dessert to the Egyptians had.
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posted on August 18, 2005 04:26:13 PM newFirst of all - I didn't see where Cheryl did that but if I had I would say that comparing the the two is a huge reach comsidering that one's intention is to continue further a peaceful solution to a dispute that has caused thousands of lives thru te years and the intention of the other is to build a mall.
Well thats what I thought as well when I read it too, but coming from me thats a bit too saucy not for one like LindaK but for others to digest. Dont you think? Its kinda like that deaf and mute thing - you can kind of employ it even when you full allow ignorance to speak loud and clear. And silly me, I thought that was actually the case here! Perhaps I give you too much credit. But I cant see how ya missed it when you posted directly under it an hour later..lol! I'd bet if a different name was attached to the post you might not have missed it so easily.
hey kraft-what 'sweet deal' do you suppose Arafat regretted? Maybe if Clinton threw in two canadian prostitutes,a cadillac and some general tao chicken, that would have really sweetened the pot!!! If there's anything you know about though, its sweetness, right?
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posted on August 18, 2005 06:20:06 PM new
Dbl - I plead....a misunderstanding. When you mentioned that Cheryl had liken it to imminent domain, I assumed that she had compared it to a specific situation that she has discussed here before regarding an imminent domain situation in Cleveland. Obviously though that's not what she had done. She simply compared the general process of Imminent Domain to what has happened in Gaza and in that comparison, she is right.
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posted on August 18, 2005 06:58:41 PM new...I assumed that she had compared it to a specific situation that she has discussed here before regarding an imminent domain situation in Cleveland...
She simply compared the general process of Imminent Domain to what has happened in Gaza...
rofl fenix! You'll have to sell it to the someone who understands how one can simply think, when they're simple-minded.
See, the 'thing' about this so-called comparitive "process" is with imminent domain one actually gets to go to court and fight it.
So I disagree. I STILL dont think the two are alike in purpose nor process at all.
posted on August 18, 2005 07:46:43 PM new
Linda_K said about the democrats, "their 'base' seems to be leaving them. In this case, their base being the Hispanics and black votes....more went republican in 2004."
In the case of the Hispanics why not support a President who is leaving our southern borders wide open. Millions more Hispanics can illegally join the millions of their country men already illegally in America.
Why would Bush and members of the republican controlled houses want millions more illegal Hispanics. That's easy so they can continual to get rich off the sweat of the Hispanics backs.
What a DUMB AZZ BACKWARDS STATEMENT YOUR WORDS ABOVE ARE. Trying to mislead people again are ya. You better try hosting a tea party and invite people that don't pay attention to what Anti-American people like you are doing to this country all in the name of greed. One thing I know for sure you are not going to be able to get away with your crap on this board.
A tough line of "staying the course" in Israel didn't work lets all hope this move by Israel will bring peace to both sides.
Caroline 
