colin
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posted on January 24, 2006 06:20:21 AM new
Congratulations Canada
Good move.
After 13 years of oppression finally a light at the end of the tunnel
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-5566584,00.html
OTTAWA (AP) - Stephen Harper and his Conservative Party won national elections Monday and ended 13 years of Liberal rule, giving Canada a leader who was expected to move the country to the right on social and economic issues and bolster ties with the United States.
Prime Minister Paul Martin conceded defeat after official results gave the challengers a near-insurmountable lead. However, it appeared likely the Conservatives's victory margin would be too narrow to avoid ruling over a minority government, making it difficult to get legislation through a divided House of Commons.
Amen,
Reverend Colin
http://www.reverendcolin.com
[ edited by colin on Jan 24, 2006 06:21 AM ]
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WashingtoneBayer
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posted on January 24, 2006 06:22:15 AM new
Heck yeah get Martin out of there.
Ron
"I'm so depressed. My doctor refused to write me a
prescription for Viagra. He said it would be like putting
a new flagpole on a condemned building."
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kraftdinner
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posted on January 24, 2006 11:37:54 AM new
It's a sad day for us liberals. 
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WashingtoneBayer
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posted on January 24, 2006 12:00:38 PM new
Come on kraftdinner we all know you voted for Harper, you want better relations with the US.
Ron
"I'm so depressed. My doctor refused to write me a
prescription for Viagra. He said it would be like putting
a new flagpole on a condemned building."
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kiara
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posted on January 24, 2006 12:18:21 PM new
The Liberals were crooked for too long and though Martin was a strong leader he was no innocent when it came to the corruption because he was Finance Minister at the time it happened.
I am thankful it's a minority government so Harper may not have a chance to do too much damage or he can be booted too. He doesn't strike me as a strong leader at all.
Bush will most likely consider him a pretty boy and they should get along fabulously since they share a similar ideology.
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kraftdinner
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posted on January 24, 2006 12:29:06 PM new
Washington, I think Steven Harper is a retard. The last time the conservatives got in, NOTHING they promised came to fruition. Canada is doing the best it ever has - our economy is booming.
Remember when Clinton was in office and the economy was doing so well and everyone seemed happy with their jobs, etc. and the way things were going? That's what it's been like here.
But then along came Bush and the stack of cards fell. That's what I'm afraid will happen with Harper. Is he another Bush? Is he a Bush supporter? Is he another wolf in sheep's clothing that will destroy Canada with lies?
I'd like to know how Kiara feels. If she's like me, she's crying in her oatmeal. 
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kraftdinner
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posted on January 24, 2006 12:37:50 PM new
Hi Kiara. I didn't see your post. 
I know someone has to be the fall guy, but I don't believe Martin knew anything, in spite of him being FM. The fall guy should have been Cretien, at the very least. The opposition knew Martin was in a bad position and took advantage of it by calling an election, which cost us millions. They're all crooked Kiara, but I don't believe Martin was guilty. I think it was all done behind his back.
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WashingtoneBayer
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posted on January 24, 2006 12:41:06 PM new
Actually I am doing better financially now than with slick willy.
I don't miss Clinton at all and I will always believe his economy was based on smoke and mirrors.
Which had to go away when he left office.
Ron
"I'm so depressed. My doctor refused to write me a
prescription for Viagra. He said it would be like putting
a new flagpole on a condemned building."
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kraftdinner
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posted on January 24, 2006 12:51:56 PM new
Washington, I don't hear that from many Americans and that's not the picture I get from the news. In fact, it looks to me like the U.S. is headed for a recession which will probably be in full swing by the summer of '07. I can only see Canada heading in the same direction, unless our economy stays strong enough to get us through.
As for you, I'm happy that you're making better money now. You'll need to save all you can for the lean years ahead.
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kiara
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posted on January 24, 2006 12:53:57 PM new
Hi Kraft,
Whether Martin is innocent or not I think it was part of his job to know what was going on around him and unfortunately it did cost him his job.
Too bad we got such a wuss as a replacement just when Canada was doing so well. Minority governments usually last about 12 or 18 months so hopefully he can't screw things up too much in that amount of time.
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colin
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posted on January 24, 2006 01:20:44 PM new
Kraft,
You’re hearing, it’s a bad U.S. economy from a few on these boards.
Most of them don't work, have minor E-bay businesses and sell crap. Every thing is slowed on E-bay by the sheer number of seller.
I'm doing great. Between my (Real) Job, E-bay and the Rt.67 cycle business, I couldn't ask for more.....I could but that would be greedy.
God Bless President Bush.
It’s only a matter of time before Canada will be doing much, much better,
Amen,
Reverend Colin
http://www.reverendcolin.com
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WashingtoneBayer
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posted on January 24, 2006 02:33:32 PM new
Kraft/Kiara do you think that only because of the scandal the liberals were voted out?
Ron
"I'm so depressed. My doctor refused to write me a
prescription for Viagra. He said it would be like putting
a new flagpole on a condemned building."
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kraftdinner
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posted on January 24, 2006 02:48:18 PM new
Kiara, I hope you're right.
Colin, I wish some of my other U.S. friends were doing as well as you.
Washington, I'd like to think that's all it was but I'm sure there are other reasons just as valid.
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nerfballwillie
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posted on January 24, 2006 03:56:09 PM new
Ford just announced they will cut 25% of their workforce in America and shut down 14 plants. That is huge. And NOT in a good way. Alot of people have trouble understanding the shock waves that will send through an already weak economy. It's not just bad for the thousands of Ford workers that will lose their jobs. Does anyone in here have even a basic understanding of Macroeconomics?
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kiara
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posted on January 24, 2006 04:21:38 PM new
Kraft/Kiara do you think that only because of the scandal the liberals were voted out?
That wasn't the only reason. Some have never approved of the Liberals no matter who the leader is and there are those who didn't like Martin. Others didn't like the hesitation on the health care issues when it is a priority. Canada is a large country and perhaps the west thinks they will get more attention now. Maybe others are upset about gay marriage, gun legislation and marijuana or just got tired of the same party being around for so long. I'm sure there were a variety of reasons.
Harper is not my choice as a leader but I will give him a chance and see how things go.
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WashingtoneBayer
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posted on January 24, 2006 04:44:00 PM new
Nerfball, you forgot the time frame: 2012
So over a 6 year period. Not much of a ripple.
Ron
"I'm so depressed. My doctor refused to write me a
prescription for Viagra. He said it would be like putting
a new flagpole on a condemned building."
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bigpeepa
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posted on January 24, 2006 05:16:14 PM new
Kiara and Kraft,
I can't believe how stupid people like Colin are. They are so uninformed not to realize what happened in the Canadian vote. God save America from Neocon stupidity.
nerfballwillie, neocons like Ron are driven by greed. He couldn't care less if 50,000 Americans loose their jobs between Ford and G.M.
Not to mention all the job loss at all the feeder plants that make parts for Ford and G.M.
The things that most control a Neocon life is personal greed and corporate profits. If corporate profits come at the expense of fellow Americans so what. Neocons couldn't care less as long as the profits feeds their personal self serving greed.
The American Neocon conservative truly are greedy dangerous people that need to be stripped of power starting in 2006.
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kiara
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posted on January 24, 2006 05:31:24 PM new
Perhaps Colin could explain what he means by oppression? What oppression?
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profe51
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posted on January 24, 2006 05:32:29 PM new
Crediting or discrediting a president for one's personal financial situation is dumb. I didn't credit Clinton when I had great ranch years, and I won't credit Bush either. I get all the credit. I made the decisions. I made the investments. I took the risks, not some figurehead 3000 miles away. Who's president has nothing to do with it. As far as my job is concerned, I haven't had a raise since Clinton was president, but he didn't have anything to do with that raise either, and when I get one, Bush won't be responsible either. Ford isn't Bush's fault. It's Ford's fault. They make crap vehicles that can't compete with foreign products. What are we supposed to do, force them to keep plants open making junk cars nobody wants just so people can have jobs? Uh-huh....
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profe51
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posted on January 24, 2006 05:36:10 PM new
As far as the gloating over Canada's election of a conservative, looks like one little teeny tiny bit of text was sort of overlooked in the report:
it appeared likely the Conservatives's victory margin would be too narrow to avoid ruling over a minority government, making it difficult to get legislation through a divided House of Commons.
So, the election of a conservative will split Canada into warring camps just like the U.S....great news!!
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colin
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posted on January 24, 2006 06:13:27 PM new
oppression would be Liberal bullsh*t social programs for non working people. Things of that nature. Maybe now the Canadian economy can flourish.
Prof,
It will be a short time before the Conservatives have the majority. They aren't going to blow this opportunity to straighten out their country.
Amen,
Reverend Colin
http://www.reverendcolin.com
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profe51
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posted on January 24, 2006 07:11:59 PM new
They aren't going to blow this opportunity to straighten out their country.
Good for them. Maybe they can teach their conservative brethren here a thing or two.
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kraftdinner
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posted on January 24, 2006 07:27:18 PM new
"Liberal bullsh*t social programs"
What liberal social programs are you referring to, Colin?
Prof, Kiara posted that they are a minority with no legeslation power. Now the government will sit on it's bum until the next election.
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kiara
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posted on January 24, 2006 11:38:36 PM new
oppression would be Liberal bullsh*t social programs for non working people. Things of that nature.
I'd also like to know what Liberal social programs Colin is referring to and perhaps he can explain what he means by 'things of that nature' by naming a few of them.
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Helenjw
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posted on January 25, 2006 05:23:03 AM new
"Bush will most likely consider him a pretty boy and they should get along fabulously since they share a similar ideology."
Apparently, this fellow from Canada is concerned about that possibility.
"Harper is somewhat constrained by only having a minority government, but he will pull Canada out of the Kyoto Agreement (to satisfy his Alberta energy company pals), will certainly send Canadian troops into whatever the next disaster of a war George Bush intends to wage, will throw Canada fully behind Bush's space war programs, will end the national child-care system finally funded and negotiated by the Liberals (replacing it by small grants which will be useless as there won't be any child-care spots on which to spend the grants - typical useless conservative vouchering), will completely destroy the Liberal's successful efforts to reach out to Aboriginals, and will find a way to raise all the social issues that Canada has managed to get over (abortion, death penalty, gun control, gay marriage, and any other hateful and divisive things his Christian supporters can find in their stony little hearts). The Conservatives will almost certainly also find a way to make immigration, which has simply not been a real issue in Canadian politics, into a problem. Finally, they will wreck the Canadian government's financial prudence, and throw the country back into deficits (the general conservative plan around the world seems to be to be so financially imprudent that the party that has to clean up the mess will have to do so by cutting social programs, which is just what the Liberals in Canada did to clean up the mess left by the last Conservative government).
Xymphora
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bigpeepa
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posted on January 25, 2006 06:05:02 AM new
Colin can't answer direct questions about Canada because he no idea what he is talking about.
Colin's problem is called Arrested Development,Bush has the same problem. Doctors say Arrested Development is most often caused by too much drinking and drugs.
Doctors also say its a tricky condition to diagnose because the disease acts similar to the problems caused by inbreeding.
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WashingtoneBayer
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posted on January 25, 2006 06:21:38 AM new
Well some of us didn't have something just handed to us and had to work from scratch. We can credit whomever we feel helped the most. But in actuallity hard work and not waiting for handouts from the government gets most of what people want in life.
But there is those two words again, hard work, libs don't want to have to do that.
I think if Canada can get closer the US it will be a boon to both countries instead of having some moron stand up there and attempt to belittle the US.
For whatever reason, I am happy the good people of Canada kicked Martin and his corrupt buddies out on their keisters.
Ron
"I'm so depressed. My doctor refused to write me a
prescription for Viagra. He said it would be like putting
a new flagpole on a condemned building."
[ edited by WashingtoneBayer on Jan 25, 2006 06:28 AM ]
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kiara
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posted on January 25, 2006 07:41:09 AM new
Well some of us didn't have something just handed to us and had to work from scratch. We can credit whomever we feel helped the most.
But in actuallity hard work and not waiting for handouts from the government gets most of what people want in life.
But there is those two words again, hard work, libs don't want to have to do that.
Washingtonebayer, can you please explain what you are talking about. Is this in reference to Canada? Who got things handed to them?
I think if Canada can get closer the US it will be a boon to both countries instead of having some moron stand up there and attempt to belittle the US.
Sounds like you would prefer all countries to bend over constantly for the US and never stand up for themselves. If they are strong, you think it belittles the US? Do you really think the US is unable to take any criticism or shouldn't have to?
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kraftdinner
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posted on January 25, 2006 01:45:20 PM new
Helen, I think it's scary. If no other countries take a stand against the U.S., where do the checks and balances come from?
"Colin can't answer direct questions about Canada because he no idea what he is talking about."
Washingtonebayer, Canada is a sovereign country with it's own rules. It's not the U.S. People here are trying to separate themselves from the U.S. to preserve their own identity. Part of that identity is being a peace-loving country that loves and protects it's citizens.
The thing I'm most proud of about Canada, is religion seldom enters the political field. And although not perfect, Canada has one of the best health care systems around where no one is denied care. Canada made a stand to not fight in Iraq - we send money instead. Canada doesn't believe in the death penalty and will not extradite for possible death penalties. Canadian drug companies have more restrictions protecting consumers from being ripped off, and I believe we have leaner drug laws. These are a few things I can think of off hand that I'm afraid of losing if we turn conservative.
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WashingtoneBayer
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posted on January 25, 2006 01:54:14 PM new
We shouldn't have to hear crap like Martin was spewing considering you're supposedly our "partner".
The other part was for profe51, his "dumb" comment.
Ron
"I'm so depressed. My doctor refused to write me a
prescription for Viagra. He said it would be like putting
a new flagpole on a condemned building."
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