logansdad
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posted on November 13, 2007 10:37:50 AM new
I've read a theory that the HIV may have originally jumped species from primates to human hosts as a result of reliance on bush meat in overpopulated areas of Africa.
Profe, if that is true we can blame HIV on Bush, not overpopulation.
"In my experience, those who do not like you fall into two categories: the stupid, and the envious. - John Wilmot, the Second Earl of Rochester
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ST0NEC0LD613
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posted on November 15, 2007 06:30:28 AM new
Nice to see the list of bird killers but the real "killer" is the core problem of all our problems ....the "O" word no one wants to mention....OVERPOPULATION.
I know a start to the problem. Hey Mingopig, elimintate yourself first. That will be a good start.
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If it's called common sense, why do so few Demomorons have it?
 Are YOU a Bunghole?
Take the bunghole quiz here.
http://www.idiotwatchers.com/bunghole/index.html
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neglus
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posted on November 27, 2007 02:50:52 PM new
Back in 1984 one of our neighbors built a wind turbine on his suburban property. I am not talking ACREAGE - just a residential lot. We lived uphill from the property - probably about 4 football fields away. Back then (hopefully they have improved the turbines since then) it made such a racket on a gusty day that it did indeed cause migraines and made it hard to even THINK outside much less carry on a conversation without yelling. We had studies done to measure the decibels and found that the windmill was more than an eyesore!
I am all for finding alternative sources for emergy and I think the turbines are great in the right places but our city really screwed up in granting a permit to build that thing and ended up having to buy it back from the property owner a couple of years after it was built. We had a party when they dismantled it.
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desquirrel
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posted on November 27, 2007 08:09:38 PM new
Your neighbor's backyard project has nothing in common with this discussion. The noise levels in question were already posted (ie: level of a residential bedroom).
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NEGLUS
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posted on November 27, 2007 09:30:37 PM new
They built a 350 foot wind turbine at my daughter's college last year - here's a video with sound:
http://www.chronopsis.com/scipanos/blogmedia/spinzoomout.mov
Here's a blog about the construction project:
http://stolafturbine.blogspot.com/
I have to admit that it's an awesome sight to see the mighty wind machine gleaming white in the sun against the backdrop of some of the most fertile farmland in the state of Minnesota. The college is perched high on a
hill above the windmill.
When I listened to the sound on the video it brought back memories of my neighbor's "project" - it wasn't just the noise on windy days that was bothersome - it was the ever-present low pitched "HUM" that nearly drove us crazy. I can hear it on this much larger unit too.
I guess I am conflicted about the issue. It's one thing to benefit from the energy generated and it's another to know that the electricity is going to NYC to keep all those lights burning bright all night long.
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Helenjw
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posted on November 28, 2007 06:12:14 AM new
Neglus, that sound should be considered torture! Thanks for posting that.
Newer designs are being tested that will not be so intrusive with a significant increase in capacity and hopefully less noise.
Quiet Revolution Turbines
Wind Power From Jersey Highways
Maglev Super powered Magnetic Wind Turbine
And Designers are busy dreaming....
Flying Wind Farms
Spinnaker Like a Yacht Sail
Football field sized kite powers latest heavy freight ship
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desquirrel
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posted on November 28, 2007 12:52:25 PM new
Without knowing how it was made, the video is meaningless. It even sounds like the audio is jacked up.
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Helenjw
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posted on November 29, 2007 06:38:44 AM new
Desquirrel, your remark reminds me of a few lines from the Scarecrow.
"Anyone would know that," said Dorothy.
"Certainly; that is why I know it," returned the Scarecrow. "If it required brains to figure it out, I never should have said it."
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desquirrel
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posted on November 29, 2007 07:18:03 AM new
Perhaps if you had taken more science and engineering and less social studies in college, you wouldn't be so confused.
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Helenjw
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posted on November 29, 2007 11:40:42 AM new
Squirrel, let me know when you find the scientist or engineer here who will appreciate the vague implications of that dumb statement about a video that "sounds like" it's been "jacked up".
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desquirrel
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posted on November 29, 2007 05:06:43 PM new
Please do not extend your stupidity to others.
Sound level is totally dependent on the system used for reproduction. You could have a video of a caterpillar walking on a leaf that sounds like a cattle drive.
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Helenjw
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posted on November 29, 2007 06:53:25 PM new
No s h i t !
That revelation of such profound squirrelly knowledge is absolutely breathtaking!
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neglus
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posted on December 2, 2007 06:39:19 AM new
We went to St Olaf on Friday night for the Christmas Festival. It was a very cold, crisp, winter night with a light breeze (that felt like a gale because it was so cold). The Wind Turbine rises above the parking lot and I can definitely say that THERE WAS NO NOISE - no drone, no whirr - NADA.
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mingotree
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posted on December 2, 2007 07:47:25 AM new
And I can say there is a steady, constant, pervasive, invasive low pitched hum...
I think you have to have lived far enough into the country to have known real silence to be able to hear it. Two people can be standing next to each other...one can hear it , the other can't....it's a white noise for city people who have never heard "silence".
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Helenjw
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posted on December 2, 2007 08:30:27 AM new
Neglus, you stated above, "When I listened to the sound on the video it brought back memories of my neighbor's "project" - it wasn't just the noise on windy days that was bothersome - it was the ever-present low pitched "HUM" that nearly drove us crazy. I can hear it on this much larger unit too."
Then you state, "We went to St Olaf on Friday night for the Christmas Festival. It was a very cold, crisp, winter night with a light breeze (that felt like a gale because it was so cold). The Wind Turbine rises above the parking lot and I can definitely say that THERE WAS NO NOISE - no drone, no whirr - NADA."
Are you suggesting now that the youtube that you posted did in fact deliberately distort the noise? If so, how do you explain the "ever present low pitched "HUM" that nearly drove you crazy" in your previous comment?
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roadsmith
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posted on December 2, 2007 09:28:02 AM new
Neglus: Was that St. Olaf College you went to? Our daughter went to Carleton College, and there was an amazing rivalry between those two schools in Northfield. The persona of the two schools, at least in the 80s, could not have been more opposite!
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neglus
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posted on December 2, 2007 09:35:04 AM new
I don't think the UTube I posted purposely distorted the sound . I think that the sound was recorded from another place than where I stood on Friday night. From the angle of the video, I would say that the blogger stood near the base of the turbine whereas I was on top of a hill (The college is on a hill that is probably as high as turbine so it's nearly level with the blades) , probably 1/4 mile from the turbine. The blades were spinning on Friday night but I didn't hear the drone that I heard on the video and on my neighbor's machine. There well could have been a drone at the base but only the corn rows would hear it.
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neglus
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posted on December 2, 2007 09:55:30 AM new
Yes Roadsmith my daughter goes to St Olaf. There is still somewhat of a rivalry, but to tell the truth, I don't think the students are into it as much as the alums. I think the schools are still quite different, though academically they probably are about par (St Olaf has made a recent push to recruit top students and it seems to be paying off - 2 Rhodes scholars this year). For example, Carlton has rooming options that include male/female combinations - St Olaf has designated male floors and female floors and the students don't seem to mind.
"Oles" tend to be so - I can't think of another word to describe it - "NICE" (not saying that Carlton students aren't nice - just don't know many). Honestly (not an act) NICE. Nice, nice, nice. I have never met a "not nice" person who graduated from St Olaf. It's almost too good to be true. Not everyone is Lutheran, not everyone is Scandinavian, not everyone is even musical, but they all are NICE. I thought it might be too much niceness when my daughter made her college selection (she originally wanted to go Ivy League) but she thrives on it. She has already been accepted to be join the Peace Corps when she graduates next spring. She's nice too 
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roadsmith
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posted on December 2, 2007 11:23:17 AM new
Neglus: Yes, Oles are nice! The Carleton kids, almost all liberals, saw them as "nice," too. Our daughter applied and was accepted at other schools like Princeton (national merit scholar) but chose Carleton because the students wrote the catalog, and wrote it in a funny mode which caught her fancy.
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Helenjw
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posted on December 2, 2007 01:04:06 PM new
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profe51
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posted on December 2, 2007 06:48:55 PM new
Good a reason as most to choose a college.
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pixiamom
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posted on December 2, 2007 07:07:53 PM new
I'm so proud of my nieces, Neglus' kids. So much can go wrong with kids these days, and hers turned out so right. I didn't know her youngest was accepted for the Peace Corps, although I knew she had applied. She will make a fine and caring doctor some day, unless she reverts back to her grade school desire to become a marine biologist.
Edited to add: In addition, she is a beautiful blonde. Thank God she has never exploited that route.
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Helenjw
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posted on December 2, 2007 07:14:15 PM new
"Good a reason as most to choose a college."
Better reason than just "nice"....Such an impressive catalog is evidence that the students are a well functioning team; creative with a good sense of humor!
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Helenjw
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posted on December 3, 2007 08:07:34 AM new
But then it could be considered a reckless choice like so many choices that we make.
Robert Frost or Octavio Paz...I can't remember which called such decisions just another momentary stay against confusion...or something like that.
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neglus
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posted on December 5, 2007 01:23:30 PM new
Here is a U-tube peek at the (much,much,much) better sound I heard at St Olaf on Friday nite. PBS will air on Dec 24th:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ANkZJk6fC00
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Helenjw
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posted on December 5, 2007 01:57:37 PM new
Now, those are lovely vibrations.
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roadsmith
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posted on December 7, 2007 12:21:06 PM new
Neglus: I'd always heard that the St. Olaf music program was absolutely tops, and I've heard them off and on for years, here and there. Thanks for sending that clip.
Just to illustrate the contrast between St. O and Carleton, our daughter was in Carleton's "music program," part of a kazoo marching band that did hilarious half-time shows at games. She brought us the diagrams of some of their formations, and we laughed till we cried.
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