profe51
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posted on September 1, 2008 12:52:54 PM new
I don't care if her 10 year old daughter's pregnant. There are real serious reasons why she's unfit to be VP and her choice proves that McCain is desperate and too reckless to be president. He could have selected Kay Bailey Hutchinson or Olympia Snowe, just for starters, but instead chose Palin. Enough said, far as I'm concerned.
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roadsmith
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posted on September 1, 2008 01:00:20 PM new
When my daughters were in their teens, I was working for Planned Parenthood as volunteer coordinator in Las Vegas. I made sure my daughters not only knew what's what re sex, but I had them do some simple volunteering in the clinics. That really opened their eyes.
Many of the teens (and their boyfriends), who were made to sit through a basic talk about birth control methods before being tested in our clinics, had ridiculous ideas about "fool-proof" ways not to get pregnant. Douche with coca-cola afterwards and presto, no pregnancy. Do it in a full moon, and that magically prevents pregnancy. Etc.
Our clinic did not perform abortions; if one was requested, the patients were referred to a local dr.
I feel sorry for the Palins, but this is such a political coincidence in some ways; now a young girl will be marrying a (young?) boy, in all their teenage immaturity. Hmmm.
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Helenjw
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posted on September 1, 2008 01:43:15 PM new
Zippy2dah writes, "I think you mean the only 16 year old who got pregnant and decided not to abort it, right? I seriously doubt that the kids who got knocked up and chose to have abortions would announce such a thing to the community.'
No, generally 16 year old girls don't make "announcements" about their sexual behavior or "announcements" about their prudent decision to have an abortion. What is your point?
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Helenjw
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posted on September 1, 2008 01:50:26 PM new
Palin On Abortion: I'd Oppose Even If My Own Daughter Was Raped
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deur1
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posted on September 1, 2008 02:10:24 PM new
This is my opinion, JMO
We have a Presidential nominee and VP nominee that are neither qualified or have the needed experience to hold the job.
It would be better if the President and Vice President did not come as set.
McCain and Biden would be great.
Of course that ain't the way the ball bounces.
I will not vote.
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deur1
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posted on September 1, 2008 02:27:04 PM new
Neglus , I apologise, I was really wanting to say that not all teenagers that get pregnant have bad moms or bad dads.
I was defending that not defending Sarah. I have no ideal what went on in her home.
I do know very good parents that have had teenage girls that got pregnant and teenage boys that got girls pregnant. They did what any good parent does. They did not just give up on them. The kids went on to be very good adults and parents.
I will say,Obama has went public saying he did not want this issue in the campaign. He has children also
As I have stated I have lost interest in this election
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pixiamom
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posted on September 1, 2008 03:21:39 PM new
Deur, there are pro-life/anti-abortion (take your pick) advocates I admire who base their belief on strong personal convictions - many of them believe that the best way of preventing abortions is to prevent unwanted or untimely pregnancies through birth control and education. There is another sector that weaves pro-life/anti-abortion with abstinence-based sex education and homophobia into a single moral fabric. Palin seems to fit into the latter group.
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neglus
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posted on September 1, 2008 03:37:03 PM new
[b]Neglus , I apologise, I was really wanting to say that not all teenagers that get pregnant have bad moms or bad dads.
I was defending that not defending Sarah. I have no ideal what went on in her home.
I do know very good parents that have had teenage girls that got pregnant and teenage boys that got girls pregnant. They did what any good parent does. They did not just give up on them. The kids went on to be very good adults and parents.[/b]
and I apologize too Deur. I did not mean to say that she ALL mothers of teens who get pregnant are bad mothers. I think mothers who do not want their children educated about sex because they want them to practice abstinence before marriage (and then don't provide any guidance about sex in the home) are not good mothers. BTW I think mothers who don't teach their sons to respect women are not good mothers either. I also think Palin, who allows her minor child to enter into marriage at this young age and for this reason, is not a good mother.
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roadsmith
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posted on September 1, 2008 04:54:13 PM new
Helen, thanks for sending that link to the Huffington Post story. Palin sounds quite inflexible--not a good trait for a vice president of the U.S.
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profe51
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posted on September 2, 2008 05:03:24 AM new
Looks like she's got some Alaskans from both parties pretty mad about her claim that she opposed that bridge. "Thanks but no thanks", only she didn't give the money back.
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN3125537020080901
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Helenjw
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posted on September 2, 2008 05:34:31 AM new
She can't even lie and steal with the usual finesse of a good Republican. If she remains on the ticket I will assume that Rove has given up.
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coincoach
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posted on September 2, 2008 05:50:06 AM new
Was listening to Joe Scarborough ( a former Republican Congressman) this morning and he made a good point, IMO. Up until virtually the last minute, McCain wanted to select Joe Lieberman, who is considered liberal on all issues except Iraq. His staff vehemently opposed this and finally talked him out of it. He then picked Palin, who is as conservative as they come. Doesn't this illustrate that McCain is more interested in image than ideology? He just wanted to create some excitement. The selection of Palin is just a gimmick.
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Helenjw
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posted on September 2, 2008 07:54:31 AM new
" Doesn't this illustrate that McCain is more interested in image than ideology?
Yes, it illustrates ideology that his handler's want to obscure.
When Larry Kudlow of CNBC’s “Kudlow & Co.” asked her about the possibility of becoming McCain's ticket mate.
Palin replied: “As for that VP talk all the time, I’ll tell you, I still can’t answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the VP does every day? I’m used to being very productive and working real hard in an administration. We want to make sure that that VP slot would be a fruitful type of position, especially for Alaskans and for the things that we’re trying to accomplish up here for the rest of the U.S., before I can even start addressing that question.”
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kiara
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posted on September 2, 2008 09:54:44 AM new
It must be difficult enough for an adult to face a media scandal so what kind of mother would put her 17 year old pregnant daughter out there for all this attention worldwide? It seems almost cruel to me, especially from someone who supposedly promotes family values. Sometimes it seems as if politics are only a fine line away from the Jerry Springer show.
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coach81938
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posted on September 2, 2008 10:55:25 AM new
I thought the same thing, Kiara. She was willing to expose her 17 year old daughter to this public scrutiny to be the VP candidate. In 2008, nothing is secret for a candidate and Palin knows it. That is how things are, like it or not. You would think that,as a "super-mom," she would be more protective of her daughter.
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Helenjw
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posted on September 2, 2008 12:55:36 PM new
It certainly doesn't set a good example for other teen aged children to flaunt this situation before the public as if it's perfectly ok to become pregnant and have a baby before even finishing high school. Most families in American don't have the resources to deal with an unexpected baby while the mother continues her education.
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desquirrel
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posted on September 2, 2008 01:14:35 PM new
The example is abortion is not "birth control".
I find the talk of McCain and his "handlers" hilariously funny. You people actually think Obama is running something or even selected the nutjob with the hair plugs.
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logansdad
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posted on September 2, 2008 01:23:17 PM new
I don't care if her 10 year old daughter's pregnant. There are real serious reasons why she's unfit to be VP and her choice proves that McCain is desperate and too reckless to be president. He could have selected Kay Bailey Hutchinson or Olympia Snowe, just for starters, but instead chose Palin. Enough said, far as I'm concerned.
Palin herself said she doesn't even know what the VP does when asked in July if she would want the job.
If the United States ever gets attacked by a group of terrorist moose or that terrorist hockey group, Palin would be the logical choice.
I have really lost any respect for McCain. Did he just throw a dart at the board to make his decision?
"She Who Must Not Be Named is gone. Banished far, far away with her minions to the outer realms where she can't hurt anyone ever again" - the profe
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logansdad
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posted on September 2, 2008 01:27:53 PM new
It certainly doesn't set a good example for other teen aged children to flaunt this situation before the public as if it's perfectly ok to become pregnant and have a baby before even finishing high school. Most families in American don't have the resources to deal with an unexpected baby while the mother continues her education.
What gets me is the Republicans still consider themselves the party of "family values". What kind of family values include
getting an unwed teenage girl pregnant and then forcing the husband to get married?
"She Who Must Not Be Named is gone. Banished far, far away with her minions to the outer realms where she can't hurt anyone ever again" - the profe
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Helenjw
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posted on September 2, 2008 02:01:09 PM new
Will it be a shotgun wedding?
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Helenjw
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posted on September 2, 2008 02:10:03 PM new
Along with the Wooten news it's sounding more and more like the Jerry Springer show.
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zippy2dah
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posted on September 2, 2008 03:28:14 PM new
"No, generally 16 year old girls don't make "announcements" about their sexual behavior or "announcements" about their prudent decision to have an abortion. What is your point?"
My only point was that it's very likely that she wasn't "the ONLY 16 yo in my daughter's class of 500 to get pregnant."
I'm sure there were a few abortions or miscarriages in the group as well but such things are usually not announced and thus definitely not as obvious as a full term pregnancy.
"I will say,Obama has went public saying he did not want this issue in the campaign. He has children also"
It also must hit close to home for another reason. His mother was unwed and a teenager (albeit 18, not 17) when she got pregnant with him.
Yes, that one year makes a world of difference legally but seriously, if you've ever been a teenage girl or you have ever raised a teenage girl, you know they don't wake up on the morning of their 18th birthdays as different people than they were the night before. A single birthday does not transform them emotionally. It can take years for some of them to mature to the point where they SHOULD be having children.
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Helenjw
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posted on September 2, 2008 07:26:32 PM new
Good points, Zippy2dah!
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pixiamom
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posted on September 2, 2008 07:52:17 PM new
What I think is absolutely ridiculous is that McCain's camp must have considered Clinton a token female and reasoned that any other token female, even one blatantly opposed to all issues championed by Clinton, would win over disappointed Clinton supporters. What a boon for democrats! Had McCain not listened to his handlers and gone for his first choice, Lieberman, he would have won a substantial number of middle-of-the-roaders who will ultimately decide the winner of this election. Instead, he will increase his funding from the ultra-conservatives but win few extra votes with his VP selection.
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pixiamom
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posted on September 2, 2008 08:09:34 PM new
Zippy, I know the school enough to say that sex did not run rampant and most families educated their teens about birth control. I highly doubt that there were any abortions. Of course, it is a private matter but parents who keep sex in the closet are most likely to experience teen pregnancies.
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kiara
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posted on September 3, 2008 09:59:56 AM new
It's amazing how many are suddenly behind Palin and more willing to vote for McCain just because she's on the ticket, when they didn't even know who she was only a few days ago. Now with some headlines, some talking heads, some blogs and some nods of approval from the McCain camp they are willing to take the chance that she could be the next leader of their country. It's mind-boggling and a bit scary that a virtual unknown can rise to those ranks in about four or five days and that voters can be swayed that easily and so quickly.
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Helenjw
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posted on September 3, 2008 10:11:36 AM new
So true, Kiara...especially after the last eight years of disaster, they appear willing to vote for more of the same....or worse if you can imagine that.
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deur1
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posted on September 3, 2008 03:04:08 PM new
Helenjw said-
Will it be a shotgun wedding?
well Edwards didn't have a shot gun wedding with his preggers mistress....whoops, he was all ready had a wife (with cancer)and has 3 children. He is in his 50's
AND
Their ain't no indication the feller that got Bristol preg is being abducted at gunpoint and dragged to the altar.
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pixiamom
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posted on September 3, 2008 07:56:49 PM new
Earlier I wrote: "There is another sector that weaves pro-life/anti-abortion with abstinence-based sex education and homophobia into a single moral fabric. Palin seems to fit into the latter group." I wanted to include censorship of perceived pornography in that group, because this is the classic moral bundle of ultra-conservatives but I wasn't aware of any of Palin's attempts at censorship. Thanks to Roadsmith's posts, I see that Palin is pushing the whole bundle, which makes me wonder at the sincerity of any single issue.
[ edited by pixiamom on Sep 3, 2008 08:07 PM ]
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Helenjw
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posted on September 4, 2008 10:24:15 AM new
Time for a good laugh from comedy central.
Hypocrisy of Sarah Palin Gender Card
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