posted on November 3, 2000 12:30:07 PM new
boysmommy3...where did you read that he was driving a car full of people while drunk? I've checked all the reports and nothing mentions numerous other people being there.
The Associated Press reported Tuesday that Calvin Bridges, identified as the arresting officer by the Bush campaign and in documents made available by the campaign, said in an interview that he recalls driving home from work after midnight and spotting a car moving briefly onto the shoulder before getting back on the road. Mr. Bridges said Mr. Bush, the driver, failed a road sobriety test and a second test in the police station, registering a 0.10 percent blood-alcohol level – the legal limit at the time. "The man was, and I say this without being facetious, a picture of integrity. He gave no resistance,'' he said. "He was very cooperative." The retired officer said that Mr. Bush spent about 90 minutes in custody.
I can't imagine that there are too many people on this board who can truthfully say they have never driven after having a few too many drinks. Does the fact that they never got caught make them better people? Also, Bush pleaded guilty, paid the fine that was applicable at the time and moved on to eventually turn his life around. That takes integrity, which is what Gore is sadly lacking. His continued ignorance under oath is alarming.
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posted on November 3, 2000 12:48:58 PM new
njrazd:
Most people on this board who have driven while drunk (you can't imagine that there are too many who haven't, right?) are not running for President, and don't need to be better than the man who is. DUI is one of the worst things a person can possibly do.
On his arrest record, his address listed is a PO box. Does anyone know if it is common practice for people to give a PO box to the police and then be released? Or if I'd give my arresting officer my PO box would I be held?
posted on November 3, 2000 12:57:38 PM new
james...many people in rural areas use PO Boxes rather than street addresses and one would assume the Kennebunkport police would be able to find the family if necessary.
And I would rather have a leader who has taken charge of his life and learned from his mistakes. Our current President is a perfect example of lack of integrity in their personal life.
Julesy...if there was anyone in the world with a perfect background, they would have more sense than to run for public office.
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posted on November 3, 2000 01:15:47 PM new
When George W weaseled out of going to Vietnam, and then didn't show up for National Guard physical, that shows me he is ruled by fear and a sense of priviledge. I haven't seen honour in a major presidential candidate for years, and I don't see it now.
I guess my state will vote for Bush. If that
seems iffy, I will vote for Gore.
I am concerned about Supreme Court appointments.
Nader supports my right to eat safely....without rat, fish, human, toad, virus, bacteria DNA in my food. He supports the earth's right to be without transgenic trees that glow green, flowers that grow huge
and grass that gets a spray with Round Up to stay weedless...and probably kidless, petless
eventually.
posted on November 3, 2000 01:20:34 PM new
The difference between Bush and Clinton is Clinton is a slimeball loser who disgraced the White House and our country and he did not have the guts to tell the truth. Bush has been forthright about his early problems. Everyone makes mistakes, how many of you would hold up to the scutiny if you were running for the Presidency? Heather
edited to add: If Bush did this while he was President and lied about it, I would feel the same way about him that I do about Clinton.
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posted on November 3, 2000 01:31:21 PM new
njrazd,
Do people turn their lives around? Yes they do. But to truly turn your life around is to admit your past, learn from it and move on.
Sadly Mr Bush lied (yes, that word you like to fling at Mr. Gore) about it.
If he truly felt as you do then he would have used that as part of his platform. Drunk driving conviction, drug addict turns his life around and look what he may now become. If he had the integrity you say he has - that is what he would have done. Look at how many votes he would have garnered. Honesty goes a long way.
Sadly that never was his intent as he hoped it would never come out.
Without his father he would not have been Governor of Texas - he was Governor solely on the 'Bush' name. Very applicable and relevant in the South where your name means everything.
The man does not understand foreign policy, which, with the state of affairs of the world right now is a very risky position to put him in.
He weaseled out of war, partied hardy well into his thirties (he was 30 when he was covnicted of drunk driving) and today lies about his past. Integrity and Bush do not go hand in hand.
The presidency should be held by a man of high integrity. Someone we can respect and would be pleased to introduce to the World. Sadly, I truly believe neither man fits the bill but Bush in the power seat is too much risk for me.
BTW -
Newsreports do say there were others in the car when he was driving.
posted on November 3, 2000 01:33:28 PM new
I would never want to be President in this day and age.
Yes a DUI is very serious offense, and I do not take it lightly at all.
But to be in public office today, you almost have had to lead a perfect life from birth.
No, no one is perfect.
I had a relative (ha) who was a fairly high postition politician. 24 years in his position. I did work as one of the campaign managers for one campaign.
In the 60's and 70's they weren't digging into the past indiscretions, crimes, health, family members history etc of the canidate as they do today.
Still voted for the Gov. of Tx, and still would like to see him as President.
posted on November 3, 2000 01:51:43 PM newhcross --
If it is a comparison, than it might help if you compare Bush to the person he is running against; not Clinton.
What will rabid republicans do once Clinton is out of office? After obsessing on the man for eight years, will there be a 12-step program to help deal with the withdrawal? You gotta wonder.
Oh, that's right, they will just start obsessing on Senator Clinton. It's sad.
Prepositions are our friends!
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posted on November 3, 2000 02:03:11 PM new
I was comparing the character of the two men.
As for Gore, that man has plenty of skeletons in his closet also. I am not a rabid Republican, in fact, I am a registered Independent. I also think the full story on all that the Clinton's and Gore's have done in the White House has yet to come out. As for people "obsessing" over the Clinton's, they probably should, that man made a laughingstock out of our country. I had many ancestors who fought and died for this country, too bad that amoral piece of crap Clinton won the Presidency to begin with. I have read plenty on what Gore has done also, and he is no knight in shining armor either. Heather
posted on November 3, 2000 02:05:45 PM new
I already voted for Gore.
Someone asked where Dick Cheney has been. I know he will be in Las Cruces, New Mexico this Saturday.
Gore was in Las Cruces last night. As was Carlos Santana (at the Gore rally).
I have to admit, after meeting Gore twice (last night and in '92), and Clinton in '98 (when he was in town), I was actually more excited to meet Santana!
posted on November 3, 2000 02:11:26 PM new can't imagine that there are too many people on this board who can truthfully say they have never driven after having a few too many drinks.
Ah yes, the 'everyone is doing it' explanation. Funny, that one never worked for me in grade school. It apprears it has made a come back.
posted on November 3, 2000 02:41:05 PM new
I have never said Bush had a clean record and neither did he. He has stated all along that he's made mistakes in the past. If you want him to stand up and tick off every sin, then I guess he can take a number along with all the rest of them.
I do consider DUI a serious issue. He was charged and pleaded guilty and punished as per the applicable laws at that time. He didn't try and weasel out of it and get it hushed up. Gee, maybe if someone had died with him driving, he would have only made it to senator instead of running for president. Would have had to been on the Democratic ticket though.
Bush got where he is because of his Dad and so did Gore. They are very much alike in many ways, although Bush got his MBA instead of dropping out. Even one of my co-workers who adores Gore, has admitted that for a "brilliant" man, his memory is not very good. He conveniently forgets how many votes he took part in against abortion and the federal funding thereof. Had it been almost any other person, this election would have been a slam dunk.
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posted on November 3, 2000 04:32:31 PM newIf it is a comparison, than it might help if you compare Bush to the person he is running against; not Clinton.
Actually she did. For all practical purposes Clinton and Gore are the same. I really do not wish to see a 3rd Clinton administration. The office of the presidency has been damaged enough by the first two.
posted on November 3, 2000 04:57:00 PM newBoysmommy: You keep saying that Bush wouldn't be where he is today without his father's influence. In case you missed it, the same could be said about Gore, son of Sen. Al Gore. Both are sons of politicians and I'll bet both have used their family names to open doors that wouldn't have opened if they'd been Joe Average running for office.
Lest anyone thinks that means I favor one party over another, let me ease your minds. I don't favor either party. Neither one of those bozos deserve to be president but those who ARE qualified are smart enough not to run.
posted on November 3, 2000 06:43:55 PM newFor me the issue of reproductive rights trumps everything else because so many other important things depend on it.
For me taking the Oath Of Office Of The Presidency Of The United States seriously and not bringing shame upon it trumps everything else.
Clinton brought shame upon the White House, the Presidency, and the American people. Gore was a defender of Clinton's actions until it became apparent that to continue to do so would cost him the election.
After he used Clinton's record on the economy (which was more blind luck than policy making) to secure the Democratic nomination, he backed away from him and now refuses to be seen on the "stump" side-by-side with him. God help us if he manages to fool enough voters to win.
posted on November 3, 2000 06:44:11 PM new
Barry(Democrats unite)Barris I saw your post from email and came to the thread to open it. I must tell you I was disappointed, I thought it would be a picture of you holding a Gore sign.
posted on November 3, 2000 06:49:59 PM new
I'm voting for Nader. Even after the horrible lecture I got from my mother-in-law last week pointing out that if Bush wins, I will be personally responsible.
The funny thing is that in my heavily Republican neighborhood, a few neighbors, after commenting about my Nader yard sign, told me that they thought would vote for him too.
posted on November 3, 2000 07:44:04 PM new
Which was more blind luck than policy making
I like that philosophy - so when someone I don't approve of is successful I can just say - who cares, it was just dumb luck! Well, the economy has never been better -so I wish a lot of dumb luck on whomever wins.
Let's see we have:
*Two liars
*Two people riding family coattails
*Two people with questionable backgrounds
That I will give you.
However; will someone care to persuade me as why I would ever want the two supreme court nominees that Bush will pick? Those nominees are above and beyond all else - supreme deal breakers.
