posted on October 26, 2001 09:47:29 AM new
I would pay to use the boards moderated.The boards are pretty good because they are moderated.
but prevent abuse of the message center, we will require that all users who wish to post within the message center provide a credit card for positive identification to our customer service >>
I have a few credit cards so this isn't a problem for me however, I doubt I will sign up because I can just see what the boards will be like unmoderated. There are quite a few boards out there like that I rarely use them.
"ut prevent abuse of the message center, we will require that all users who wish to post within the message center provide a credit card for positive identification to our customer service "
This is an insult to people that don't have credit cards just because you have a credit card doesn't mean it or the person is reputable.
I have gotten again a lot of going out of business e-mails. Maybe not such a smart idea to chase the user away with such a change at this uncertain time . . .
posted on October 26, 2001 09:48:09 AM new
Great post Amy and MrPotatohead
I have learned more from you than rgem.
sorry, but if you have to pay for community, it's gated.
rou
posted on October 26, 2001 10:43:39 AM new
Personally I can't believe how much energy has gone into the feedback here. The company has made a decision and it's time for all of you to go forward and live with it. Whining about this decision is not going to change anything!
AuctionWatch is a seller tool to make online auction sellers more profitable and more efficient. It is obvious here that there are quite a few message center users without a credit card on file who aren't using revenue generating AW tools....we are lucky the Message Center isn't going away all together!
Have a beautiful day and please try to focus on something that makes the world a better place!
posted on October 26, 2001 10:45:50 AM new
Ever wonder about the law and LIBEL and defamation of character on some of these boards?
Check out these references:
http://www.encyclopedia.com/printablenew/07430.html
AND
http://injury-law.freeadvice.com/libel_and_slander/internet_defamation.htm
AND
http://www.cyberlibel.com/libel.html
This third one addresses (somewhat) the issue of whether the operator of a website can be sued (or enjoined) for a libel suit for messages that s/he posts.
I leave for a day only to return to this very distressing news
Add me to the list as one who won't be staying.
I've been here for almost 2 years and have learned much over that time.
I like the "Grandfather In" idea. If they don't know and trust me by now then I guess there is no point in staying.
As if we haven't been hit with enough already this month and last!
THANK YOU ONE AND ALL FOR YOUR KINDNESS AND HELP TO ENRICH MY AUCTION EXPERIENCE!
posted on October 26, 2001 11:53:42 AM new
I was afraid this was going to happen. Over the last two years I have posted a few times, and have done a lot of lurking all most daily. What a help this board has been, with technical advise and advising me of what is happening in the Internet auction world. You posters and moderators have provided me with ideas and may useful and enjoyable links. And also I must say some good laughs, and head scratching[ Just what the......are they talking about. At any rate this board is about to change, most likely not for the good. I want to Thank all that have helped me along the way, You will be missed by me and I am sure many others. I hope our paths cross again....I am Fathertime
posted on October 26, 2001 12:15:20 PM new
I just noticed that my first post on page one of this thread has been deleted and I WAS NOT notified!! I thanked everyone for their helpful comments over the years because I learned a lot about selling on eBay and said that I would miss many of the posters here as well as the AW eBay Outlook Forum. I also mentioned that I hoped to see some of the AW faces at XXXX or other online auction forums but this comment was made in passing and was NOT promotional in nature. NOT AT ALL!!
This is the first post that I've ever had deleted in the 2 1/2 years that I've been here and I'm totally appalled at AW's lack of tolerance. I guess I won't be missing this place after all.
If anyone wants to know the name of the other forum I mentioned please email me at [email protected] and REMOVE the XXX from the email addy.
posted on October 26, 2001 12:24:50 PM new
Hi Blanche,
I found the forum and registered, however it won't let me post.
I seen the thread about AW, I was going to post in it but it says I need administratve approval.
Is there a waiting period?
packer
edited to finish sentence!
[ edited by packer on Oct 26, 2001 12:25 PM ]
posted on October 26, 2001 12:30:06 PM new
I've gained so much as a new seller learning on this board. Thanks to all of you for sharing your experience.
A couple of years ago I registered with a credit card at www.ubarter.com, and online barter club - free unless you listed something. I never did list anything and pretty much forgot about it.
This past summer ubarter was taken over by ITEX, which began to charge $20 a month for membership, whether active or not. This was NOT disclosed, and the first I knew about it was when two separate months showed up on my credit card bill at the same time. My credit card company wouldn't back my dispute because I hadn't cancelled the transaction before the charge hit the card. I couldn't since I didn't know about it!
The moral of the story is, read what you are agreeing to for future changes before giving a credit card, you never know who will take over a site.
I'll be lurking unless the smaller membership proves to yeild less useful information.
posted on October 26, 2001 12:30:15 PM new
Hi packer. I don't think there's a waiting period but I'll post a thread there to find out. Maybe someone can figure out what's wrong.
posted on October 26, 2001 12:41:12 PM new
I'm a non-seller, so I guess that makes me a freeloader here, but I like to think just having so many people here has made the discussions more frequent, more useful, and AW a more noticeable site, standing out among what could otherwise be a lot of look-alikes.
OTOH, this freeloader has mentioned AW in any number of conversations to people who weren't part of AW. I don't know if more than a few signed up for paid service, or not, so maybe it's a moot point, but surely some of their paying customers come from word-of-mouth (maybe not enough though) from MC-only users.
Maybe AW ran an analysis of payers' vs. nonpayers' notes and found the latter to be posting more disruptive or off topic notes. I concentrated a lot on marketing aspects of eBay that I found questionable or personally disgusting, but also wrote a lot about auctions in general, my feelings as a buyer, advice on how to possibly appeal more to other buyers, other eBay missteps, etc. Well, my point is not about me, but about AW's MC being richer, content-wise, for other users' contributions, and yes, somewhat richer in real money for the ads seen by those same people, at least the ones not ticked off by the ads to block them.
Yes, I keep saying "paying" (customers) vs. "non-paying" (some posters), but how many of the current latter are going to submit card numbers, charged or not? I don't know, but I certainly am not. As far as I'm concerned, the less I have key numbers like SSN and CC floating around in cyberspace or even elsewhere, than there already is, the better off I am, in several ways.
Good luck to the moderators. I always thought they were pretty straightforward and honest people, and having been a mailing list administrator for several years myself, I know a lot of tricky or difficult calls have to get made on any groups that is not completely unmoderated, and that it is not an easy job.
It's been fun posting here, and I've had plenty of good conversations with a number of people (and I guess ticked off at least a couple I can remember), but unless I see something too interesting to pass up in the next few days, this will be my last, and I doubt I'll lurk more than a little, because it would be hard to read something I'd otherwise like to post about. Take care, everyone.
----
What's being done in the name of direct marketing nowadays is crazy.
The above are all just my opinions, except where I cite facts as such.
Oh, I am not dc9a320 anywhere except AW. Any others are not me.
Is eBay is changing from a world bazaar into a bizarre world?
posted on October 26, 2001 12:42:23 PM new
Nothing's wrong. I also had a short waiting period before I was able to post. It took maybe an hour. Not too bad at all.
posted on October 26, 2001 12:51:21 PM new
Thanks Blanche,
I haven't received my second(approval) e-mail yet. I'll be watching for it and post soon there after.
Thanks for the help
posted on October 26, 2001 02:52:41 PM new
It seems to me if AW was sincere about CC's being used only for verification to prevent posting abuse, they could do the same thing ebay does (did I say that!?!). Grandfather in those who are already esablished here, and require CCs for new people who use hotmail or other free email addresses.
posted on October 26, 2001 03:55:45 PM new
Well, I think this is a huge overreaction by the posters. If AW was just unmoderated, loonies would come in and post dozens of times under many names. The value of the boards would decrease. By requiring a credit card, they make it very hard to have more than a couple accounts.
As far as giving out your CC, what's the big deal? I bet many of the posters make their living receiving cash, checks, etc., holding it until the check clears. In other words, you DEMAND that buyers trust sellers, but most sellers so not trust buyers. Why not ship first upon payment notification from good buyers?
So, where do you use your CC? Restaurants, 7-11, grocery store, online? How many have could steal it if they wanted. I think any eBay seller who complains about giving their CC# to AW needs to get a grip.
posted on October 26, 2001 04:07:27 PM new
NO AW, you CANNOT have my credit card number! I've already moved to Timbucktoo, dyed my hair and had a sex change, so I could sneak in here after ya'll booted me out once before.
Guess I'll have to confine my comments to the Ebay boards!
posted on October 26, 2001 04:19:38 PM new
Had a day to mull over this new state of affairs here at AW. Was flabbergasted at first and then thought about it. When I first signed on at AW, about 2 1/2 years ago, the only other place to ask questions was the eBay Q&A board. My--- what a little tight clique that was!! Remember Baccalum bones!!!
So to find AW was such a breath of fresh air and learning about all the ins and outs of online selling, the internet and meeting people.
It was heady, rewarding, frustrating (why do my words come out like they do!) and extremely informative--a total postive to help me make it in the venue of online selling!
So now I check over now and again at eBay and they sure do have a lot of new chat boards. A board for just about anything that you might be interested in talking about. However, the one and great thing that AW offers is annonimity (sp?)that eBay exposes with your user ID on eBay and your auctions. I have seen too many people have their livlihood on line compromised by their opinions.
So unmoderated boards here on AW will probably bring out the worst in some and give AW the perfect (it's not our fault) reason to end the message center.
Thanks AW for a great 2 1/2 years. I have learned, grown, and realized what a friggin troll is
I ain't leaving till you drag me out, kicking and fighting tooth and nail.
Your position as on line auctions information and image hosting center should never be minimalized. You have helped a great many of us "newbies" weather the travails of on line auctions.
posted on October 26, 2001 04:25:51 PM newAs far as giving out your CC, what's the big deal?
The big deal is that I don't want AW to start charging me on a couple of days notice for using the message boards. Which is exactly what I believe is in the works. Verification is just a flimsy excuse.
There is absolutely no reason for anyone to need my CC unless there is going to be some money exchanging hands. Or unless I'm using a site for the purpose of conducting business, like eBay.
I have no need to purchase any of AW's services at this time and I'm not using their site to host any auctions. Therefore, to insist that I provide them with a CC just so I can post messages...is out of line IMO.
posted on October 26, 2001 04:52:49 PM new
Actually, this could be sexual discrimination! Too bad for you GUYS. Having been married 37 times, I now have 58 credit cards under different variations of those names... now, can I have to get busy making a list of those 58 user names for here!
posted on October 26, 2001 07:24:56 PM new
A credit card...that's too bad.
You know, I wouldn't mind paying even a nominal fee to use the boards here. I get a lot of god information just from the time I've spent "lurking" here. However, there is no way I am going to give up my CC number (even if you aren't going to charge for use of the boards) if they are going to take the moderators away.
This board will quickly degenerate into something no better than the alt.sex boards on usenet.
How's about $12.00 a year for use of the boards and we keep the moderators? If not, to paraphrase Al Gore "it's time for me to go".
posted on October 26, 2001 07:26:00 PM new
Im pretty sure the site is being restructured to allow it to survive the hard times were in. The Credit card is probably a polite nudge toward the door for those who have no intention of contributing to the cost of services they use. Most likely only people who use the listing service will remain. It was nice of AW to allow free use of the boards for those who will actually register a CC. How do you make money by giving away service - you cant. I wouldnt work for free and I sure wouldnt expect it of anyone else. Best of luck to all - I plan to stay and use the Service.
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