posted on May 2, 2003 07:20:56 AM newAll canadians are bad to deal with. All other international shipments are fine
This statement is pure B.S. Lets not turn this into another smash and bash tread. I have dealings with bidders from all over the globe and the canadians over all are no worse to deal with then anyone else.
Lets not forget that there are thousands of cross border deals daily that go very well with out a single problem.
Just because one runs into a handfull of nonthinkers once in awhile should not hold anyone back from dealing with buyers from anywhere.
There are even more nut cases right in the u.s.a. that we deal with on a daily basis.
I would just say that to cover your butt set a dollar figure that you can live with when it comes to paypal, anything past that go with bidpay.
posted on May 2, 2003 07:32:31 AM new
in all fairness to us sellers which sell to overseas buyers,canadian bidders are a bunch of TIGHTASS BIDDERS.
No offense,some do ask shipping cost before they bid but they never ask us seller about canadian custom,it is their customs,they should know better.
Canadian customs use to look at every package which comes in,now i heard they are more lenient.
lets admit it,why are they shopping on a cyberauction from usa seller,if not for economy,then what?? dont forget their currency is rather weak vis a vis the usa dollar.
now,who should be buying from us now,it is the western europeans who enjoy a strong euro.
posted on May 2, 2003 07:57:05 AM new
Tight ass bidders???? If you want that, start dealing with bidders from florida. Now thats where I find the real tight ass bidders overall.
Canadian customs use to look at every package which comes in,now i heard they are more lenient
Get for real! Just like U.S.customs, there is no way they can check every piece of mail that comes in. There are millions of pieces of mail that cross the border daily in both directions.
dont forget their currency is rather weak vis a vis the usa dollar.
Best you check the money markets. Weak? Far from it. As far as the euro goes, would not surprise me when it becomes the world standard and the good old greenback takes second place.
Bottom line, I be happy to take anyones money. Money knows no borders or flags.
posted on May 2, 2003 10:55:29 AM newBottom line, I be happy to take anyones money. Money knows no borders or flags.
I guess that puts you in the same category with certain American congressmen, who we now know accepted cash from Saddam Hussein.
I've never claimed any moral high ground, but I think I have a bit more class than that.
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"I'm thinking of the immortal words of Socrates, who said `I drank WHAT?'"
posted on May 2, 2003 11:04:07 AM new
I'm not bashing Candian bidders...BUT I do agree that they are definitely more bothersome than other International bidders. More frequently asking for the "gift" declaration.
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.I also fully understand the risks in dealing with credit cards with or without Paypal. Credit cards are a potential fraud whether domestic or International, Paypal or not. I understand about the Paypal International bidder rules, BUT, in this case, I think that common sense would eventually override the automatic Paypal chargeback. As long as seller could show delivery and processing at customs and then back to seller, then bidder's claim of non-delivery would not hold up. Their would be a paper trail of seller to customs and back. It would be different if bidder allowed package to go through customs and accepted it. At this point, seller would have no protection.
posted on May 2, 2003 11:06:08 AM newI've never claimed any moral high ground, but I think I have a bit more class than that.
Fluffy, time to get out of the catnip and deal with real life. Just why should I turn down a paying buyer just based on the fact they may live somewhere else??? This makes no sense at all.
guess that puts you in the same category with certain American congressmen, who we now know accepted cash from Saddam Hussein.
Just what are you smoking these days? My statement holds true! Money knows no flag or borders. Thats a fact of life!
posted on May 2, 2003 11:13:27 AM new
may be there is just too much scottish blood among the canadian bidders then??
would any one care to comment on that??
money is money,true but if some nigerian want to offer me money,i would say thanks but no thanks.
Some facts on Canadian Customs. First if you ship UPS it will probably ended costing more than the value of the package to go through customs. I bought a leather coat from Florida for $99 US. This was the declared value for customs. It cost me $85 Canadian in fees for that coat. About $20 for duty, another $25 for provincial and federal taxes and $40 for UPS to fill a half a page form. If this would have been sent USPS it would have cost me about $50 since Canada Post only charges $5 for customs clearance.
The worst case I had is when sellers declare items at the retail value instead of the actual Ebay sale price. The common excuses are for insurance. If I pay an item $20 I don't see why it should be insured for $100. If it is lost it's $20 lost not $100. If the declared value is listed as $100 I will be charges by customs on that amount instead of the $20 I paid for the item.
I hope this may help American sellers understand. Your US Customs is much more open. We don't pay fees if the value is less than $20 Canadian. You are allowed the same privilige for $100 US.
posted on May 17, 2003 06:55:36 AM new
questions for GMI,
if the ebay seller claims the item to be worth 20 dollars (a leather jacket/coat),do you think your customs is going to believe that??
posted on May 18, 2003 01:20:29 PM new
1) I had a Canadian buyer who negged me because I refuse to pay his customs charges. This was about 2 1/2 years ago. Lesson learned, I clearly note this in my buyer checkout.
2) PAYPAL is a major NO-NO for any International payments. I had a buyer in Canada who didn't get her item within a week of making payment. She complained to Paypal and they started processing the chargeback. I only use Bidpay or accept Money Orders for international payments. The best part of this is that I don't get charged the fees. The buyer pays Bidpay fees, or they have to pay to purchase the money order.
3) Whenever someone asks me to mark it as a gift, I email them back to ask if they are asking me to commit fraud. I also tell them I will ship it as a gift only if they clearly tell me it is a gift and that I keep their emails for proof of instructions. Any hint that they are trying to commit mail fraud, and I refuse to ship it as a gift. I keep their email for 30 days, which is how long the post office keeps customs forms.
I don't think that the item necessarily has to be a gift from me. It can be a gift that someone bought from me and are sending it to someone. This is a gray area that I feel is left for interpretation.
posted on May 18, 2003 01:35:03 PM new
gmi -- that UPS scam works both ways... Some years ago a Canadian seller sent me an item via UPS. Later, after I received it, UPS sent me a bill for their "services" in processing customs forms (no duty had to be paid, just paperwork).
I told UPS I never hired them and wouldn't pay. That was the end of that, I never heard from them again.
BUT ... US-Canada buyers (either way) should inform their seller to NOT use UPS.
posted on May 19, 2003 08:22:47 AM new
I don't see why people feel as if they need to make a judgement about everybody in a particular country to justify their selling decisions.
As trai pointed out, there are jerks and scam artists everywhere. There are also many good reasons NOT to ship outside the U.S. (problems with customs, Paypal, etc.) If you don't want to sell to a particular company, just put that in your TOS and stick to it. It is, after all, your business.
And just for the record, if the story about "U.S. Congressmen taking cash from Saddam Hussein" is the one I'm thinking of, it's actually an urban legend.
