Libra63
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posted on June 9, 2003 04:24:32 PM new
Congratulations you gave him his first negative. Good for you. In his auction he must have put the best on and saved the crap. Can you make any money on any of the post cards he sent you? I sure hope you can.
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neglus
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posted on June 9, 2003 05:09:40 PM new
I can't make one cent on the postcards he sent me..not one!! I would burn more in listing fees than I would ever hope to gain! GOt the momentary satisfaction of giving him his first neg..AND NOW HE WENT PRIVATE WITH THE FEEDBACK!!!!!! UNFAIR!!!!!!!!
I did pay with PP but unfortunately the $ came from my balance and not credit card...I don't think a chargeback is fair in this instance anyway since I did receive the postcards...
[ edited by neglus on Jun 9, 2003 05:12 PM ]
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neglus
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posted on June 9, 2003 05:15:57 PM new
I took a picture of the duplicates and sent to the seller yesterday: 
[ edited by neglus on Jun 9, 2003 05:18 PM ]
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fluffythewondercat
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posted on June 9, 2003 05:23:30 PM new
I am not a postcard seller (too fiddly for me) so there might be something I'm missing.
I finally went and looked at the auction in question. 14 different cards are pictured. Now, you *must* have thought you could make money on those or you wouldn't have bid, right?
So how come now all 211 are worthless?
Like I said, I don't get it. Sorry.
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neglus
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posted on June 9, 2003 05:39:03 PM new
Fluff - As i said before, I couldn't see the items well enough to determine what they were..the scans were too small to read titles...yes! I can make money on churches, public buildings etc etc ..the problem is that the ones included in the auction were mostly published by Edward Mitchell and either someone copied his original plates and generated a bazillion reprints (all of these cards are in excellent condition) or else he printed a bazillion in the first place. They JUST WONT SELL! PERIOD! And it isnt like he sent me just one of these..I got all the duplicates shown above! so out of 211 cards I got 96 worthless duplicates and the rest are cactus, landscapes and other worthless subjects! I relied on his verbage since the scan was so bad ..at a glance they looked ok to sell and supported what he said in the listing...I guess to put it in jewelry terms (ok i know I am stretching this) it would be like THINKING you were getting a lot of genuine amethyst stones and receiving lab synthetic...something you couldnt determine from the microscan but had the sellers' assurances that this was the "real thing"...
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fluffythewondercat
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posted on June 9, 2003 05:55:01 PM new
Well, nobody synthesizes amethyst...it's just purple quartz...but okay.
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stopwhining
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posted on June 9, 2003 06:20:13 PM new
how much did you pay for the postcards??
if it were gemstones say natural versus lab,i think i will ask myself,if they were all natural(ruby,spahire,emerald,lapis etc),why me??
ebay is a fleamarket,your story is not new,in fact it happens every day on and off ebay around the world,i looked into EBAY CHINA this morning,they are listing the same old repro crap in their own country!
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bkmunroe
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posted on June 9, 2003 06:37:12 PM new
neglus, if you want to argue with the seller more about the value of the cards, you can point him to this page and have him take a look at lot 10B. 100 diff Mitchell & Pacific Novelty postcards for $30.
http://www.polanskywholesale.com/catalog-01.html
Unfortunately, I have the feeling he knows the true value of the cards and you won't have a shot at getting a refund.
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neglus
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posted on June 9, 2003 07:01:08 PM new
I think you are right BK but thanks for the link to that site...I am afraid to have further contact with the seller since he has flatly denied a refund and claims I harassed him. I think you are right - he KNOWS this is a worthless lot!
Can hardly wait to get the lot my husband won this weekend from a seller with 0 feedback and a slang for marijuana-user id!! (husband speaks German as primary language and had no idea what the name meant!) I paid with credit card this time!
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Libra63
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posted on June 9, 2003 07:23:58 PM new
Your seller might have a difficult time selling now since he made his feedback private. I wouldn't buy from a private feedback seller as I would think he was hiding something.
I talked with a seller here and asked him why his feedback was private and he said because of all the negatives. I told him private or negative doesn't make a difference. You can tell by the numbers what the feedbacks are so why go private. He changed it back and is doing good now.
Good Luck on your new batch. Remember always pay with your credit card.
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ahc3
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posted on June 9, 2003 08:28:57 PM new
I agree, I would not buy from a private feedback seller, that is a stupid move! Are the postcards used or unused? If they are used, maybe they are of interest to a stamp collector?
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auctionace
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posted on June 9, 2003 09:08:18 PM new
I just looked at the auction and the photos were hosted on AOL ( right click on a photo and look under properties ) except the first free iPix photo.( bottom photo ) Don't blame iPix for the poor photos. The seller knew what he was doing and used a reserve to help trick buyers. I hate reserves.
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stonecold613
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posted on June 9, 2003 09:27:35 PM new
Someone had a good idea. PayPal now has a buyers remorse return policy. I believe you have to send the items back with DC, and then you can get your money back. I would go to the PayPal site and investigate the procedure on how to do it. Let us know how it works out for you.
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neglus
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posted on June 9, 2003 10:15:57 PM new
stonecold...I couldn't find anything in the PayPal Complaint section on a new buyers' remorse policy, but did find the following:
"If your claim involves receiving not-as-described goods, we suggest using an online-trackable shipping service if you choose to return the goods to the seller. Please be aware that though you are not covered for not-as-described claims under this Buyer Complaint Policy, using an online-trackable shipping service may help you in working directly with the seller to resolve the problem. We also encourage you to file claims with us as you feel necessary for not-as-described merchandise. We will pass your complaint on to the seller and keep track of the claims for fraud control purposes."
Don't think I can use it in this case since he did deliver 211 postcards and did deliver the postcards in the scan....it is the QUALITY of the items deliverd that is the problem..and as mentioned here, that is a very subjective area!
ahc:
Most of the postcards were unused and those that were used have very common penny stamps on them with no unusual postmarks, no RPOs or DPOs
ace:
You are right! The scans were so crummy I assumed they were IPIX...when i clicked on Properties it says that the scans were "created" 6/8 ....does that mean he could have changed them? That was the day I contacted him about my dissatisfaction...!! I have no idea what the scans looked like when I bid on the auction....I don't pay very much attention to scans in large lot auctions because they usually are of such poor quality...many times taken with a digital camera to encompass the whole lot!
everybody:
i reread my emails to the seller and the only "vulgar" word I could find was "crap" because i got tired of saying "garbage" and "junk"...is that VULGAR??? Good thing I didn't let loose with the words I would have liked to use!!
libra - thanks for the words of encouragement and good advice about the credit card...
and now tomorrow is another day...new cards to list! (THESE POSTCARDS WILL NEVER BE LISTED BY ME!..perhaps if I sold them as bookmarks???...NAH)
Thanks all for the advice! Mary Ann
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Libra63
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posted on June 9, 2003 11:18:13 PM new
Here are the revisions he did to his auctions.
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemRevisionDetails&item=2176316644
eBay has a policy that no revisions can be made within 12 hours of an end of the auction or if there is a bid...
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auctionace
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posted on June 10, 2003 12:01:18 AM new
Once a bid is made he could not change anything and would have had to add revisions as an add-on so he didn't alter the photos after the first bid.
You can wait a few months and do the same exact thing he did and list the lot with a similar but more truthful description and try to recoup part of your loss. There's always a new seller looking for inventory to sell on ebay.
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hotcupoftea
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posted on June 10, 2003 01:55:47 AM new
neglus, donate the cards to a local church thrift shop and take a donation.
On the positive side, in your photo, I think your sneakers are cute. 
I am not hotcupoftea on eBay.
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neonmania
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posted on June 10, 2003 02:38:49 AM new
:: Once a bid is made he could not change anything and would have had to add revisions as an add-on so he didn't alter the photos after the first bid. ::
Not neccesarily true. The auction links back to a photo file name, not a specific photo. I can change the photos whenever I want as long as the new images have the same name as the original one.
I used to use that little gem to switch images on people who were listing ebay items using images from my website.
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seyms
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posted on June 10, 2003 03:58:04 AM new
"at least 75% of the cards retailing for $10 or more" is not what he sent. He took puffery too far. I would quietly state my case and demand a refund "Items not as stated in auction listing" and see where that gets you. Don't give a neg yet, it's your best unspoken weapon. A reasoned request tells the seller much about you that isn't stated. I have known ebay thieves to return money when it suits them.
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toollady
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posted on June 10, 2003 01:43:13 PM new
The images could have been changed very easily if he was hosting them himself. All he had to do was upload a new image with the name of the old image and the image in the auction would automatically change.
It's done all the time when a seller decides to borrow another seller's image and bandwidth. I've seen some pretty funny replacement images on auction.s
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stopwhining
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posted on June 10, 2003 01:54:50 PM new
if you have bot paypal insurance,you would have gotten your money back
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auctionace
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posted on June 10, 2003 02:14:53 PM new
Thanks, now I realize that any non-iPix photos could be changed even after an initial bid. That does open up a whole new world of auction manipulations as the " unoffical revision " could be major yet totally unrecorded as a revision. The only way ebay could stop the fraud would be to make iPix photos mandatory and disallow member hosted images in auctions. That would throw the ebay auctions into a tizzy and make ebay a lot of extra revenue. Sumthin to think about.
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captian23
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posted on June 10, 2003 08:18:43 PM new
Maybe I am missing something here....
Did you get the number of postcards that was advertised?
I guess the only complant in the retail promises in the description, but still they could go for those numbers, not saying they will.
I don't see how you could leave a neg if you got the number promised. I am sorry that you did. It seems like you are mad because you did not hit the mother load.
There are to many people out there that feel that every thing is wrong if it does not go their way. Remember if it sounds too good to be true it probably is
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fetish128
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posted on June 10, 2003 08:22:41 PM new
Hey!!!!! If I was Japanese those shoes are worth more than the cards! How much????
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auctionace
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posted on June 10, 2003 08:56:14 PM new
There are a hell of a lot of sellers that do the same exact thing this seller did. Tell them the items retail easily for big money when in reality it's a snake oil pitch in a carnival and most people know it. There's very little honesty in politics and selling.
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neglus
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posted on June 10, 2003 08:56:56 PM new
Hey--have I got a deal for you...I'll sell you the shoes (dainty size 11 Adidas) and throw in the postcards for $133..plus shipping and handling of course!!
That neg is now buried under several positive feedbacks received today..soon to leave the page entirely (if only sales would pick up!)EBay in their infinite wisdom told me that mine was not a case that applied to their removal of feedback rules....suggested I go "private" if i didnt like it...yeah right..NOT! SO PS status doesnt mean diddly-squat to the Ebay feedback team...Oh well!
I like your idea of donating the cards to a charity hotcup...tax write-off will be MUCH better than any sales I could hope for..and no! I would never think of listing these as a lot and selling them on eBay again to some poor unsuspecting soul!
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davebraun
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posted on June 10, 2003 09:16:03 PM new
Getting negged is no big deal. Unless it is a pattern people realize things happen. I'd move on. On another note, don't use your selling account for buying. It only leaves a trail of crumbs in the woods.
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