buffalowoman
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posted on June 27, 2003 04:10:44 PM new
horsey88 Thank you. The first two lines are the type of answers I am looking for-No I don't agree because........... or yes I do agree because.........
I appreciate you're returning with an answer.
J. C.
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fluffythewondercat
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posted on June 27, 2003 04:25:01 PM new
No wonder some sellers take a week to ship,they are busy answering all the uneccessary chatter emails.
Sing it, bro!
/high-fives/
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shop4shoes
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posted on June 27, 2003 04:28:01 PM new
Anyone that can read would be able to see 99% of the fedback on that ID is with me as a seller. Out of the feedbacks listed ..31 are as a buyer and out of that 31, 26 were made over a year ago when I established the ID.
I WILL WRITE THIS IN CAPS SO THAT MAYBE IT WILL SINK IN....PERHAPS ON YOUR PLANET 31 BUYING FEEDBACKS OUT OF 82 COMES TO 1%. ON THIS PLANET...EARTH...AND NOT THE ALTERNATE REALITY YOU ARE OPERATING OUT OF....IT COMES TO OVER 1/3 OF YOUR FEEDBACK. NEARLY 1/2 IF YOU ONLY COUNT THE UNIQUES.
I think I read something on one of these threads about you being a twit...wonder what made that come up....
I am sure there is no one in your family that buys or sells under your name.
NOPE! Adults can get there own accounts. Are your family members banned from ebay? Do they have the same interesting math skills as yourself and thought when their account reached -4 it was good thing? Please tell us more.
[ edited by shop4shoes on Jun 27, 2003 04:31 PM ]
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horsey88
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posted on June 27, 2003 04:34:57 PM new
Buffalo...If your buying TOS includes that the item must be shipped in a day maybe you should state that to the seller before bidding,that he has an opportunity to place you on his blocked bidder's list. That will alleviate all problems.
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buffalowoman
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posted on June 27, 2003 04:35:20 PM new
The topic of this thread is "Do you think sellers should have to follow the same rules they expect their buyers to follow?"
J. C.
horsey88-I do not expect sellers to ship in a day-I just expect communication from them, the same as they expect me to communicate with them
[ edited by buffalowoman on Jun 27, 2003 04:37 PM ]
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horsey88
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posted on June 27, 2003 04:41:27 PM new
The rules that buyers must follow are dictated in the auction description. The rules that sellers must follow,if none are agreed on during the auction,are dictated by the governement,not by the whim & fancy of each individual buyer.
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buffalowoman
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posted on June 27, 2003 04:48:33 PM new
The topic of this thread is "Do you think sellers should have to follow the same rules they expect their buyers to follow?"
J. C.
horsey88-That's a good one-eBay sets rules for the buyer, but as far as they are concerned sellers have a free ride! No wonder buyers don't trust sellers!
[ edited by buffalowoman on Jun 27, 2003 04:50 PM ]
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japerton
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posted on June 27, 2003 05:00:38 PM new
BW...how many emails did you send...exactly?
I have met all sorts of folks, some people don't speak english as a first language, some have huge volume and don't do anything but autorespond.
11 days is fine turnaround.
Why are you in this thread beating the dead horse?
Ebay is person to person (okay in general) so I never go to an auction with the expectation that I am dealing with Nordstroms.
The upside? When I don't like a seller, I don't have to buy again!
Concept!
7 days, 7 minutes...I've given positives to both types of sellers.
Japerton
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buffalowoman
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posted on June 27, 2003 05:03:51 PM new
The topic of this thread is:
"Do you think sellers should have to follow the same rules they expect their buyers to follow?"
J. C.
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horsey88
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posted on June 27, 2003 05:08:58 PM new
The topic of this thread is:
"Do you think sellers should have to follow the same rules they expect their buyers to follow?"
The topic is a stupid one...since buyers and sellers have completely different responsibilities in a transaction.
As Pierre says: "People are basically stupid"
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buffalowoman
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posted on June 27, 2003 05:17:49 PM new
The topic of this thread is "Do you think sellers should have to FOLLOW THE SAME RULES THEY EXPECT THEIR BUYERS TO FOLLOW?"
for those of you that can't understand an example is:
If a seller requires you to contact them in a set amount of time, should they be held to their own standards and have to contact the buyer in the same amount of time? ( you know the golden rule..."do onto others as you would have others do onto you"
J. C.
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horsey88
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posted on June 27, 2003 05:21:19 PM new
The topic of this thread is "Do you think sellers should have to follow the same rules they expect their buyers to follow?"
I expect the buyer to pay by Paypal in 7 days.
I seriously hope that the buyer doesn't expect me to pay him by Paypal in 7 days.
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buffalowoman
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posted on June 27, 2003 05:22:54 PM new
for those of you that can't understand an example is:
If a seller requires you to contact them in a set amount of time, should they be held to their own standards and have to contact the buyer in the same amount of time? ( you know the golden rule..."do onto others as you would have others do onto you"
J. C.
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horsey88
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posted on June 27, 2003 05:39:36 PM new
For those who don't understand how stupid this thread is all they have to do is see that the last 20 posts by the originator is trying to validate the purpose of the thread simply by reposting the origianl stupid question.
[ edited by horsey88 on Jun 27, 2003 05:40 PM ]
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buffalowoman
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posted on June 27, 2003 05:43:35 PM new
Maybe thats because you insist on being childish and getting off the topic of discussion.
TOPIC BEING DISCUSSED
If a seller's TOS requires the buyer to contact them and pay with in a certain time limit, shouldn't the buyer expect to hear from the seller in the same amount of time?
For example: TOS Winning bidder must make contact within 3 days of end of auction and payment must be made within 7 days.
Yet the buyer receives no contact from seller, no WBN, no shipping date-absolutley nothing until 2 weeks go by and a package arrives.
Is this fair? Is this good customer relations? Are buyer's expecting to much by wanting to hear from seller in a reasonable amount of time?
J. C.
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tomwiii
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posted on June 27, 2003 05:46:19 PM new
Calling ST KIARA!
Ain't it about time for one of yer fine ole fashion BEATING A DEAD HORSE pictures??
Puleeeeeze!
Ralphie loves Mr Blonde:
"Are you gonna bark all day little doggie, or are you gonna bite?"
http://tinyurl.com/5duz
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kiara
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posted on June 27, 2003 05:52:33 PM new
Removing the pic because I don't want to offend.
[ edited by kiara on Jun 27, 2003 06:43 PM ]
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noh2
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posted on June 27, 2003 05:57:42 PM new
buffalowoman ,you said-
Yet the buyer receives no contact from seller, no WBN, no shipping date-absolutley nothing until 2 weeks go by and a package arrives.
Is this fair? Is this good customer relations? Are buyer's expecting to much by wanting to hear from seller in a reasonable amount of time?
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SELLER DOES NOT HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE TOS HE SET FOR HIS BUYERS.
but you have done more than complying to his TOS,you have pounded him to death with your emails and phone calls.
i wont be surprised if he sues you for harrassing his kid on the phone!!
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tomwiii
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posted on June 27, 2003 05:58:16 PM new
HeeeHeeee
Perfect!
Ye ole Bison Bites the Dust Bowl!
Ralphie loves Mr Blonde:
"Are you gonna bark all day little doggie, or are you gonna bite?"
http://tinyurl.com/5duz
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buffalowoman
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posted on June 27, 2003 06:06:03 PM new
You folks really have a lot of class don't you? Hope no Native Americans or Animal Activist read this forum.
But you are right-you have taken yet another thread off the subject just so you can show how big and powerful you are. I noticed this same group makes a habit of this.
What is truly amazing is how you can lower yourself enough to take money from people you have no respect for! funny, how buyers are so stupid, but their money is so good!
Oh, by the way-I did notice that the seller you invited to join us (if it was the right one) gave you the same answer he gave me..NONE !
I am sure you will tear apart my next discussion-but you will never know it's me as I will not be using this ID!
J. C.
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tomwiii
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posted on June 27, 2003 06:13:52 PM new
Refugee from Auction Diner, perchance??
Ralphie loves Mr Blonde:
"Are you gonna bark all day little doggie, or are you gonna bite?"
http://tinyurl.com/5duz
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shop4shoes
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posted on June 27, 2003 06:18:11 PM new
TOPIC BEING DISCUSSED If a seller's TOS requires the buyer to contact them and pay with in a certain time limit, shouldn't the buyer expect to hear from the seller in the same amount of time?
NEW TOPIC: Smacking a deceased equine.
You folks really have a lot of class don't you? Hope no Native Americans or Animal Activist read this forum.
You know as much about class as you do about math.
I am Native American and an Animal Activist. Here I am... What is your point?
But you are right-you have taken yet another thread off the subject just so you can show how big and powerful you are. I noticed this same group makes a habit of this.
The Great Spirit makes me powerful. Why do you hate?
I am sure you will tear apart my next discussion-but you will never know it's me as I will not be using this ID
Split personality. It figures.
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kiara
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posted on June 27, 2003 06:19:56 PM new
buffalowoman, it was not done with the intent to hurt you or anyone else.
If I looked at the right seller's Me page he does warn that e-mails may be answered slowly.
If you demonstrated here what you do as a buyer with your relentless pounding on the keys without a let-up I can see why any seller may back off.
Do you think sellers should have to follow the same rules they expect their buyers to follow?
No, because the rules are not the same.
I have been buying on ebay since '98 and several sellers dropped out of sight but they sent my item within a timely period so I never stressed over it.
As a seller I answer each and every e-mail promptly so I avoid situations like this one. Are all sellers like me? Nope, I don't expect them to be. I have my standards and they have their own. I don't expect my buyers to be perfect either.
You are truly obsessing over this. Not everyone is bashing you and many even agreed with you.
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horsey88
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posted on June 27, 2003 06:21:58 PM new
A good hint on your next persona would be the 25 reposts
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shop4shoes
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posted on June 27, 2003 06:24:54 PM new
A good hint on your next persona would be the 25 reposts
[snicker]
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buffalowoman
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posted on June 27, 2003 07:14:58 PM new
kiara
Thank you for removing the picture, it did hurt and I did find it offensive.
I am only posting because I wanted to acknowledge your last post.
You did not have the right seller. The one you were looking at has emailed and even supplied a tracking number.
As for pounding the keyboard-that was not caused by the seller in question. I turn to the forums for advice. What I got this time was a beating. When my ethics, integrity and family are attacked I am going to respond.
I admit, I should not have let these people bait me like they did-that is my failing. I hold myself to very high standards.
I once purchased a book for $4.50 and when I left feedback I was not paying attention. Even tho the feedback was positive, I had checked the negative box. I paid $20.00 to have that neg. removed from the seller's feedback.
One of my emails to this seller included a note that I hoped everyone was well in the family, because I know emergencies do crop up.
My problem is I set my standards to high-I live in a dream world where everyone treats each other with respect and honesty.
On that note I am signing off.
J. C.
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RetroBargains
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posted on June 27, 2003 10:20:05 PM new
Well for some reason I read this thread with half-hearted disinterest and discovered long ago the entire problem resides in that people... buyer and/or seller and even the looky-loos fail to do the single most important aspect of life.
They simply do not read. Period.
I excel at customer service. Why? Because personally I detest incompetence and rudeness anywhere I go to give good money away for a product or a service. Hey... you may have sold me something once, but you won't sell it to me again if you are too interested in yourself to talk to ME your CUSTOMER! Yeah... I will remember you.
On the other hand I have a strict policy of honesty - I'm straight-forward and honest in all my dealings which results in outstanding customer service. No... I won't grovel at your feet just to satisfy a sale, but I will answer your questions with genuine interest, address your concerns because those concerns are mine too (whether I know them or not). And yes, I ALWAYS leave positive feedback when the transaction is completed... for those sellers who HAVEN'T figured it out, the transaction is COMPLETE when you receive the buyer's payment...period! The transfer of payment fulfills the BUYER'S obligations... then it is up to YOU the SELLER to fulfill YOUR obligations to deliver the goods. No two ways about that one. Many sellers try to protect themselves by not sending Positive feedback until they have received Positive feedback first. That in itself is reason not to be a repeat customer!
I made the mistake in the past of withholding feedback until feedback was received - result? Less feedback overall. So if you are trying to protect the way you do business and have a genuine concern that a customer...no... a buyer... will leave you negative or neutral feedback, then you have a problem....or something to hide. At least that's how I view a seller.
You can bet that on items that I am interested in bidding on, the FIRST thing I look at is the entire package. I read every detail... I decide as a customer whether I agree with the TOS. If I don't, I move on. If I do, I read the feedback for about 2 or 3 pages. If it's a high dollar item I'll email ANY and ALL questions before bidding. That let's me know in advance how well the seller communicates. If I don't hear from the seller at all and the auction is still active, I send one more question to the seller... actually a statement... informing them why I am NOT bidding... no communication from seller.
Boil it how you want but if you treat buyers like crap you can expect crap in return... treat them right and you'll reap the benefits.
Focusing on quantity over quality may get you sales but it also gets you a reputation.
And I don't care how long Uncle Sam gives you to deliver a product, in this "instant gratification" online world of selling, you better be johnny-on-the-spot in providing just as immediate a deliver as you can possibly do. If not, you're falling on your heels. (or hooves).
Greg
Greg Williams
Retro Bargains
www.retrobargains.com
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shop4shoes
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posted on June 27, 2003 10:39:04 PM new
I read every detail
And that is why you probably have little or no problems with sellers. Most bidders don't read or they ingnore details that they don't like. They also like to ask questions AFTER the auction ends.
I don't quibble. When I was selling my terms were straight forward and my descriptions accurate. It is totally possible that I left something out of an auction description that may have been pertinent to a potential bidder. If that was the case, I would answer promptly.
If my ad says: Genuine calfskin leather in big, bold font and someone writes to ask me: are these real leather? I will not answer. It has already been established that this bidder did not read the auction. Bidders that don't read the descriptions, often give sellers problems.
Focusing on quantity over quality may get you sales but it also gets you a reputation.
Sure does...a reputation for selling a lot.
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buffalowoman
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posted on June 27, 2003 11:28:33 PM new
I swore I would not post again, but I can't help myself.
The question that started this thread can be found in "Need Sellers Help" What I had done was ask this question;
"I bid and won an auction 6 days ago, paid immediately and the seller has not contacted me once. What do I do next?"
Now Ms. Shoes how does that pertain to reading the auction description? Are you telling me the seller stated in his/her TOS "Please send money,you will get no communication from me. Your package will arrive sometime in the future." and I somehow missed reading that comment?
All I expect from a seller is this
"Thank you for your payment, your widget will be shipped on" ( or in xx days)
That is not to much to sak.
J. C.
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shop4shoes
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posted on June 28, 2003 12:34:59 AM new
I swore I would not post again, but I can't help myself.
Of course you can't. Crack does that to people...Very high standards, my tooty, you can't even keep a sworn promise to yourself.
Now Ms. Shoes how does that pertain to reading the auction description?
Unless RetroBargains is your other personality, I was responding to him.
Your problems go far beyond not reading a description. I and many others on this board can see the problem with you. Rampant stupidity. You and your lackwit babblings hold no longer hold my interest.
[ edited by shop4shoes on Jun 28, 2003 12:35 AM ]
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