krs
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posted on January 21, 2001 10:56:05 AM new
Some of you may remember Vincent Bugliosi as the prosecutor who obtained convictions for the Manson family. He was an active high profile prosecutor in Los Angeles county and has authored several books on subjects in the legal realm.
http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20010205&c=1&s=bugliosi
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GoPadres
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posted on January 21, 2001 10:57:54 AM new
Yawn.... once again, you can't steal something that you already won. Bush continually won Florida. Sorry, but facts are facts.
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grannyfox
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posted on January 21, 2001 11:46:58 AM new
I wonder who would have won had they ever counted all the votes. Seems to me that Bush's team had some grave doubts that he did, because they certainly fought it tooth and nail.
Votes went uncounted, evidence supressed and Bush became president in violation of separation of powers in the US government. It is done, but that does not mean it was right or that it should be swept under the rug. The results of elections in the US are supposed to be based upon the will of the people, not I don't care how my guy got the presidency as long as he did. I do not think that the end justifies the means is a valid theory in a nation such as ours. So yawn if you must...it is obvious that you cannot justify what was done.
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chum
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posted on January 21, 2001 11:48:03 AM new
Um if bush won Florida why did he depend on the Supreme Court stop the vote? Gore was gaining that was the facts!
"Oh my gore's ahead, better call my brother Jeb"
"Oh my gore's ahead, better call my brother Jeb"
"Oh my gore's ahead, better call my brother Jeb"
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GoPadres
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posted on January 21, 2001 11:49:39 AM new
Actually, they have been couting the votes in Florida. Seems that Bush had a +6 after all the votes were counted in Miami-Dade county, plus he had nice sized gains in other parts of the state too.
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GoPadres
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posted on January 21, 2001 11:50:20 AM new
And as to Gore gaining.... well, if you call ballot tampering gaining. There's no way that Gore gains 600 votes in one county without something going on.
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inside
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posted on January 21, 2001 11:51:24 AM new
If only Gore's home state had thought him worthy of the office...
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grannyfox
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posted on January 21, 2001 11:57:00 AM new
The only way that Bush could possibly win the election is if he took the majority of the legal votes in the state of Flordia. Since not all of the legal votes in the state of Flordia were counted there is no way in hell Bush won.
But he is the President of this country...no matter how he got there. Hopefully McCain will stick with his campaign finance reform issues and it will become more difficult to buy an election. Hopefully elections will return to representing the will of the people. And hopefully dialog will continue so that this does not get locked away and forgotten. Our 2000 presidential election was a disgrace, we need to learn from it and we need to correct the system before it becomes our undoing.
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GoPadres
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posted on January 21, 2001 11:58:45 AM new
All the legal votes were counted, recounted, and some recounted again. And now, they are ALL being recounted again by different newspapers. And if you read my post above, you'll notice that even with these new recounts, Bush still wins.
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grannyfox
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posted on January 21, 2001 11:58:47 AM new
BTW Ken, well written article...
Tennesee was not the issue, Flordia was.
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grannyfox
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posted on January 21, 2001 12:02:51 PM new
No...your statement is not correct. I can read crap as many times as I have time for...but I don't have to believe it.
Not all the legal votes were counted as described under Flordia law...or under Texas law as George W. Bush signed.
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GoPadres
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posted on January 21, 2001 12:05:58 PM new
Texas law means crap in Florida.
Aside from that, All votes were counted. A no-vote is a legal vote, which many people choose to do. To try and ascertain the will of the voter is ridiculous. If I had voted in Florida, went to punch a hole in my ballot but changed my mind and left a dimple, there is NO WAY that I would want that vote to count towards that candidate. So, when the computer read it as a no-vote, that would be my vote.
But again, it makes no difference. Like I said, the different newspaper groups are saying that Bush gained votes in Miami-Dade as well as in other counties.
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krs
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posted on January 21, 2001 12:11:10 PM new
Actually, as it now stands, according to reports of the ONGOING media recount, Gore is ahead by 91 votes, since you brought it up.
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grannyfox
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posted on January 21, 2001 12:11:44 PM new
Ah...rhetoric, with no substance.
The law of Flordia and of Texas say the will of the people can be decided by hand counts. There is only one reason that the Bush team did not want a hand count...they were fearful their "victory" would not stand.
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GoPadres
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posted on January 21, 2001 12:14:06 PM new
Not according to what I saw, krs.
And grannyfox, the reason Bush didn't want the hand recounts is because they had been counted so many times it was getting pointless.
Bush won, get over it!
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grannyfox
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posted on January 21, 2001 12:14:21 PM new
But if GoPadres tell ya that Bush won the election again Ken, will ya believe GoPadres then? I mean, how many times have they gotta tell ya?
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krs
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posted on January 21, 2001 12:15:53 PM new
Additionally, it really isn't remarkable that Tennessee didn't have it's electoral votes go to Gore. He had been the democratic vice president, after all, for eight years, not a representative from that state which had, during his absence swung around to a majority republican point of view as far as voting characteristics are concerned.
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grannyfox
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posted on January 21, 2001 12:16:43 PM new
LMAO
Bush is President...he did not win crap.
So say it again. You might actually believe it eventually. 
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kiheicat
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posted on January 21, 2001 12:17:57 PM new
All the legal votes were counted, recounted, and some recounted again
Whoops, you forgot to leave out the word ALL
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GoPadres
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posted on January 21, 2001 12:18:57 PM new
Bush won the presidency. By the rules, not rules that algore tried to invent after the fact. Everyone seems to see that except for Dems and the FL. Supreme Court.
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jamesoblivion
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posted on January 21, 2001 12:19:08 PM new
Of course the same logic could be applied to John Ashcroft.
Only more so.
After two terms as governor, one in the Senate he was voted from office in favor of a dead Democrat in a state that not only knew him well, but voted for Bush in the presidential election.
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jamesoblivion
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posted on January 21, 2001 12:19:09 PM new
[ edited by jamesoblivion on Jan 21, 2001 12:19 PM ]
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krs
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posted on January 21, 2001 12:19:30 PM new
gopadres, your facts are not in order. The republican campaign petitioned to the supreme court the first time in attempts to stop even the initial recount which was required by law, not after any recounts had been completed. Some could say that no recounts were ever completed.
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GoPadres
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posted on January 21, 2001 12:21:12 PM new
Some could say that. But the fact remains that many recounts have been done, and Bush still remains the winner.
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Julesy
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posted on January 21, 2001 12:22:19 PM new
Bush didn't want the hand recounts is because they had been counted so many times it was getting pointless
hahaha!
Yes, what a silly idea to actually COUNT the votes in a presidential election. Bush, with his double-digit IQ is correct...counting votes is just pointless...it's much better to have an authoritarian government run by a dimwitted thug.
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grannyfox
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posted on January 21, 2001 12:24:28 PM new
Not only are his facts not in order...they aren't even facts.
Bush's team did not win by the rules. The rules say that the Flordia Supreme court had the final say.
In the US the president choses the Supreme Court justices not vice versa. In the US the election laws belong to each state, not the feds. No, they gained the presidency by flouting the rules...just as spoiled rich kids are prone to do.
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GoPadres
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posted on January 21, 2001 12:27:56 PM new
The rules state that whoever gets the most votes in a state wins the state. Bush won Florida on Election Night. A mandatory recount was done, and Bush won that. Gore asked for certain counties be recounted. And even after that (and some questionable practices while doing it), Bush STILL won.
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Julesy
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posted on January 21, 2001 12:32:38 PM new
Bush won Florida on Election Night
Oh, that's right, because Faux News said so...
The rest of your post simply isn't true. Gore requested manual recounts, as allowed by FL law, which were never completed, because Smirk called on his Supreme Court conspirators. Did you even follow the news...?
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grannyfox
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posted on January 21, 2001 12:36:35 PM new
But Julsey, Didn't you read GoPadres post up further?
(BTW How are ya? Do you graduate in May or did you in December?)
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GoPadres
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posted on January 21, 2001 12:37:54 PM new
Even after all the news organizations retracted Bush winning, he was still ahead. Was always ahead. Gore requested the manual recounts, and yes Bush objected. But they were allowed to go through, AND GUESS WHAT? Bush STILL WON! Then Gore tried to push for more manual recounts after the deadline for them had passed. Guess what, that's illegal. And then Gore contested the election and lost, so he followed the chain of command, as did Bush when the decision went against him. The fact of the matter is that after the LEGAL rules were followed (recount per the law, contesting the election, etc.), BUSH WAS STILL AHEAD!
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