horsey88
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posted on October 24, 2003 04:14:06 PM new
If both run Ebay earns both non-refundable listing fees and both FVFs even though one might be refunded.
The guy who gets the screw job will tell all his frineds and his friends will tell their friends and their friends will tell their friends....And everyone will say it's easy to get scammed on Ebay if you don't use Paypal....Ebay/Paypal is in a win win situation.
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wgm
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posted on October 24, 2003 04:25:08 PM new
okay, I am getting confused on the dates.
US auction is a 7 day auction, ending on the 28th - which means it started on the 21st
German auction is a 3 day auction, ending on the 25th - which means it started on the 22nd
so the German auction started one day after the US auction
the US seller states in his auction -
"I WILL PERSONALLY DELIVER THIS WATCH TO YOU! or you can pay $100 for shipping and insurance."
wonder at whose expense the delivery would be?
"I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it." - A Few Good Men
[ edited by wgm on Oct 24, 2003 04:31 PM ]
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sparkz
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posted on October 24, 2003 04:39:56 PM new
Two people half a world apart obviously can't be in possession of the same watch at the same time. It's quite possible neither one of them have the watch. It's even conceivable the German seller and the US seller are one and the same person. There's at least 30 grand on the table right now in what is obviously a scam. I think this goes beyond Ebay thinking about their listing fees for two auctions. It involves them taking a stand and doing the right thing to keep some idiot who is stupid enough to fall for this type of scam from losing a bundle of money. They either have to take the side of the fool or the side of the crook. They can't sit on the fence on this one.
The light at the end of the tunnel will turn out to be an oncoming train.
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horsey88
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posted on October 24, 2003 04:47:29 PM new
How did you figure $30k .....Guess you missed the duplicate diamond rings.
Chances are that all or most of the underbidders have already bought the items outside of Ebay at a price they couldn't refuse.
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dcw3dcw
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posted on October 24, 2003 05:09:01 PM new
this is the owner of the Rolex, I cannot believe this guy has tarnished me in this way, I have spoken to 2 other people who he has done this to, Here is a reply to an email I sent him...
hello
my english isn`t so good. i sell this for a friend. he have me that
send and i sell for him.
is this your clock??????
I´m sorry but you don`t understand.
I´m very a serios seller in ebay.
Bye Marco
He cant speak english yet he managed to type that item descrip? Unreal, as for a few of the comment here, let me clarify some of them.
"strange auctions - what's really bizarre is that the guy selling the watch in the US has bid several times on the watch from Germany.. "
yes i did bid on it, because I was trying not to let him rip anyone off, I have contacted the current winning bidder and he knows all about this, and i will continue to contact the highest bidder, i have contacted every highest bidder on the other fake auctions he is trying to sell also.
"German sale...Will ship to United States only.
You must be preapproved give me your CC details. "
LOL! quickly send me the money now, I accept cash only! man what a dumbass.
"wgm, you wonder if there is some cohoots going on? Me too."
Fair enough, all i can do is if i have a winning bidder, give them the item.
If this guy has had his password and account jacked then I will feel bad, but he responded to the email on ebay to me.
I dont know, its all just a debacle, Im not going to lose any sleep over this guy, it sucks that i know he has tainted my auction and i doubt anyone will bid now, but atleast i can rest assured knowing im preventing the high bidders being ripped off, If you are wondering how i found this page, i was emailed by a ebayer and he showed me this, I realize my feedback is low and its just from small items, but i have a few pieces of very nice jewelry. Im more pissed off that he is actually going to rip someone off eventually than i am about the auction,
Hopefully by tonight the link will be down.
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AuctionAce
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posted on October 24, 2003 05:14:19 PM new
I think the sellers can be the same with one account highjacked. ( maybe one has stated 'I'll be away for 10 days on vacation' in their auctions or some other tipoff that they will be away ) The seller then could make one seller look like they stole the auction from the other but still has control over both auctions. People will try to get a $75K watch for $30K and greed always plays a major part in all scams ( Nigerian money laundering emails, etc. )
-------------- sig file ----------- *There is no conclusive evidence that life is serious*
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wgm
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posted on October 24, 2003 05:17:57 PM new
the German seller had several more expensive watches he listed, but then the auctions were closed, stating the item has been broken or lost (or something to that effect).
dcw - have you been in contact with eBay about this? if so, what is their reasoning for allowing the auction to continue running?
"I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it." - A Few Good Men
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drcomm
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posted on October 24, 2003 05:19:02 PM new
OO OO! I know! Email them both and ask for a picture of the watch sitting on a newspaper with today's date. At least you might find out which one (if either) actually has a watch. Whether or not it's what is being claimed is another matter entirely.
Deana
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dcw3dcw
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posted on October 24, 2003 05:19:24 PM new
I contacted them, and they never got back to me, the lady i spoke to earlier said they took the auction of his that he stole from her down very fast, but nothing so far :/
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dcw3dcw
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posted on October 24, 2003 05:24:12 PM new
wow its up to 20k now, and im about to leave, i wont be able to contact the highest bidder if it isnt that pain guy. Someone else if you are up late late tonight, please do the winning bidder a favor and tell them not to pay this clown.
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wgm
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posted on October 24, 2003 05:29:31 PM new
I can appreciate that, dcw - but none of us are in a position to do that. I believe eBay refers to that as "auction interference", and actually none of us are involved directly in the sale. You, on the other hand, have a vested interest in it 
"I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it." - A Few Good Men
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wgm
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posted on October 24, 2003 05:30:59 PM new
The seller ended this listing early because the item is no longer available for sale.
from the German auction page
edited to add: translation of his reason for cancelling the bids...
"The salesman terminated his offer prematurely and painted all requirements."
"I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it." - A Few Good Men
[ edited by wgm on Oct 24, 2003 05:33 PM ]
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NearTheSea
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posted on October 24, 2003 05:37:11 PM new
Well the 2 rings, that the descriptions and pics look ripped off from other seller are still going, and going high
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Dragonmom
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posted on October 24, 2003 05:45:19 PM new
yep, this is exactly why, huh!
The Rolex auction has been canned- but the two rings and a bunch of mag wheels are still up. Will ebay stop them too, or only the one that has been complained about?
(edited to add- this thread is going do fast, i didn't realise there where two pages. but, yes, this is why scumbags try to get our passwords)
"And All Shall be Well, and All Shall be Well, and All Manner of Things Shall be Well"
[ edited by Dragonmom on Oct 24, 2003 05:55 PM ]
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sparkz
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posted on October 24, 2003 10:33:50 PM new
The auction for the German seller's watch has been nuked. Anyone want to guess how much longer the auctions for the rings will last?
The light at the end of the tunnel will turn out to be an oncoming train.
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neglus
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posted on October 24, 2003 11:28:34 PM new
The rings are still running - the German seller (whose name is NOT Marco according to his "Me" page) was courteous enough to say one of the rings was handmade by the other seller LOL GIVE CREDIT WHERE CREDIT IS DUE!
I absolutely can't believe that eBay didn't pull the other auctions when they ended the watch auction!
dcw - if an account has been hijacked, then emails sent to "ask seller a question" can be sent to a "new" email address set up by the scumbag who hijacked it (just has to change contact information)..just because you got an answer to your email does not mean that the german woodworker is involved. If you really are interested in selling this watch on eBay perhaps you should check out using a "trading assistant" with more feedback - I can't imagine that anyone would be willing to pay that amount of money for an item without some escrow or other sort of authentication process on faith alone.
Maybe eBay has set up a "sting" to get this guy? I don't for a moment believe that they are letting the auctions run for fee income - fraud hurts everybody involved with eBay!
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zircon4
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posted on October 25, 2003 02:05:56 AM new
Maybe the German guy is natural born optimist. He started his auction after the USA seller and it only ran for 3 days. Maybe he was hoping to get bids that went far above the BIN. Then he would have time to do a BIN on the USA seller who doesn't have any bids. Then he keeps the difference and asks the US seller to ship to his customer. This way nobody gets scammed he makes a tidy profit (maybe) and all without the inconvenience of writing his own description or taking his own photo's. And last but far from least he doesn't have to worry about paying for stock that may not sell. Just another way of looking at this situation without any negativity.
Regards,
Adrian
Edited to fix my goofy spelling.
[ edited by zircon4 on Oct 25, 2003 02:07 AM ]
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Twelvepole
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posted on October 25, 2003 04:51:14 AM new
I think the ring guy is a scammer also....
AIN'T LIFE GRAND... 
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wasabico
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posted on October 25, 2003 06:13:41 AM new
Sounds strange the seller justifies refusing an escrow arrangement by stating he might lose one or two of the 700 diamonds...
Does he think the individual "holding" the
watch will ALLOW a switcheroo with a conspiring buyer?
Yeah, right.
The Rolex will go just great with the seller's jeans and t-shirt wardrobe!
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Libra63
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posted on October 25, 2003 06:19:37 AM new
Now if eBay would have someone reading discussion boards they would have hand a handle on this a while ago and save one seller.a lot of grief.
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wasabico
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posted on October 25, 2003 06:30:04 AM new
The photos of the watch were taken using
what appears to be a professional jewelry store display backdrop.
No doubt they were INCLUDED with the watch purchased at AUCTION.
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Libra63
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posted on October 25, 2003 10:26:29 AM new
all duplicate auctions are wiped out. The rolex one is invalid the other two were ended.
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wasabico
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posted on October 25, 2003 10:55:36 AM new
Hmmmmmm.
You drop $73,000 on a watch owned
by a "celebrity" you never heard of.
You set a "buy it now" price that would
gross a tidy $52,000 "profit."
You buy your jeans and t-shirts online
to save a few pennies.
Man, you are shrewd!
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wasabico
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posted on October 25, 2003 11:31:12 AM new
RE: The "Other" Rolex currently listed
by the same seller...
"This watch was seized in a drug trafficing bust, anything inside the BMW went to my uncle who owned the Towing company."
So, the DEA agents were a bit "tired" and
overlooked the Rolex during the drug bust.
And your uncle figured,
"Oh, Happy Day! Finders Keepers!"
Right.
Nice photographs (or should I say "scans"
of your treasures.
By the way..
Which catalog are you using?
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Libra63
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posted on October 25, 2003 01:54:44 PM new
I hope auctionbytes can find out about this and put it in their news letter. It would be interesting....
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stopwhining
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posted on October 25, 2003 02:00:55 PM new
why bother to waste your time tracking these auctions.
who is buying anything expensive on ebay these days??\
by the way,that my english is not so good german seller is not german,german does not speak english like that.
-sig file -------The thrill is gone!!
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neroter12
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posted on October 25, 2003 05:04:36 PM new
Did they actually say that about the drug bust?? And people with that kind of money BID ON THIS THING?? We're in trouble...
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wasabico
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posted on October 25, 2003 05:20:18 PM new
The "other" Rolex...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3822&item=2666239660
Maybe if some lucky soul uses
the "buy it now," our friend
can spend some of the $52,000
"profit" on a digital camera.
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