I hope things work out for you. God help the seller that calls my house that early in the morning! They'll get my boyfriend and it won't be pretty. If this seller had purchased the insurance, she'd have proof of it. When you insure over $50, there is no need for DC. It is possible that your item was stolen at the post office although you'll never hear then admit someone there might be dishonest. I once had an item that the post office said was stolen off the truck. Although it showed as delivered to my post office, the seller initiated the insurance claim and I got my money back. From this point forward, I would not respond to any emails from the seller. Print them out and hold on to them. Remember, if it wasn't documented, it never was. Good luck to you.
posted on May 10, 2004 11:10:02 AM new
... and by any chance if it WAS insured, it is not even close to one month yet, that I think the post office waits to do a trace.
posted on May 10, 2004 11:55:26 AM new
The post office will wait 30 days before accepting a missing mail report or a missing item insurance claim, but they can do a trace for it by the insurance number earlier if they think it may have been misdelivered.
A $75.00 solid state device will always blow first to protect a 25 cent fuse ~ Murphy's Law
posted on May 10, 2004 12:05:32 PM new
you guys still dont get it-
if the seller has insured the package,she wont be filing usps mail fraud,she will be asking USPS to trace the shipment.
-sig file -------we eat to live,not live to eat.
Benjamin Franklin
posted on May 10, 2004 12:25:25 PM newSo, the OP is guilty of something until YOU prove him innocent in your court of law?
Alex, Cheryl'll take Reading Comprehension for $200.
On this board, we have to assume that OPs are telling the truth and advise them as we can based on that.
I don't think you even believe that. Paging jerry12...
we were to assume that all OPs on this board are exaggerating or lying, we may as well not post anymore.
Not at all. But complete suspension of disbelief isn't called for, either.
Not all males act like you say they do.
Start listening (really listening) to what they say about how other women act. Pretty much all of 'em think irrationality comes with the territory. If they don't say it about you to your face, it's because they want to retain nookie privileges.
Sounds like you had a bad experience with a man.
Actually, I love men. They are, for the most part, simple creatures. Decent. Honorable. Hardworking. Funny. With most of them, once you have their affection, you have it for life. I wouldn't want to live in a society that consisted only of women.
posted on May 10, 2004 01:29:38 PM newWhen you insure over $50, there is no need for DC
If you don't want a paypal chargeback, you need it. (you would also need to use signature confirmation over $250)
Paypal can't track a package online by the insurance number.
You're right on! I come here to post when I'm not in the mood for word throwing. I certainly don't need to come here for grammar lessons nor do I need anyone correcting my English. I also don't need someone telling me what I do and do not think like I don't have a mind of my own. Eyes 'bin outta scool fer ova 30 yers. She'd freak if she read some of what is posted at the Round Table.
jarateacher
I was only pointing out that you seem to be taking the position that the OP is lying. I find his story very believable having been there myself. I couldn't resist the man comment - that one YOU started.
2) He is male, the seller is female. Do I really need to say more? I've never met a man who wasn't convinced, secretly or not-so-secretly, that all women are at some level raving irrational creatures, impossible to get along with. (While they pride themselves as being creatures of pure logic, of course.)
posted on May 10, 2004 03:36:05 PM new
"People tend to present themselves and their own actions in the best possible light"
iareateacher,
Most people do “tend to present themselves and their own actions in the best possible light” but this seller takes a combative, paranoid tone from the get go with her TOS so I can see where she is coming from and in my opinion, her gender is not the issue
Don.y
I think the best thing for all of us to do is stop writing to this thread and let
bkkofaz try and handle it without all our help. I sure hope the seller and buyer can communicate so that this can be solved as I am sure all of us in Vendio wish. I hope things work out for you.
posted on May 10, 2004 08:09:55 PM new
iareateacher,
It seems you are engaging in your own juvenile behaviour with your own attitude here. I have never made this a gender issue, where did that come from? Sounds like personal issues.
This person has made it personal and despite numerous attempts to discuss it with her rationally, she has constantly rebuked my efforts all the time continuing with threats. She has never made any indication that she will follow through on her duties. From the very beginning she has claimed she has filed fraud charges against me with eBay, PayPal and the USPS. She is now going to sue me for libel because of this thread. She refuses to discuss it with me at all, only threaten. So screw her!
You know what? I'm sick of her and now she's gonna hell back for it if she continues! Juvenile? Call me what you want BUT DON'T CALL MY HOUSE AT 3:45 AM AND SCREAM AT MY WIFE!
posted on May 10, 2004 08:26:27 PM new
Bkkofaz...I would just file for the chargeback and not further engage this seller. She's obviously a typical raving, irrational creature that's impossible to get along with.
A $75.00 solid state device will always blow first to protect a 25 cent fuse ~ Murphy's Law
posted on May 11, 2004 08:13:10 AM newOkay, lets get back to the issue/problem.
1. Was there insurance?
2. The USPS will NOT do a insurance refund on an insured package till 30 days have passed
3. Without a signature to prove you receive the item, PayPal will do a chargeback to the seller
4. Without a signature proving you received the package Credit Card processors will also do a chargeback to the seller
SO bottom line, ignore the seller, take the proper action at the proper time, and you are covered.
Someone mentioned a package that took a month, I sold a “paper item” on eBay, actually I don’t recall exactly what it was, it has been so many years ago. Anyway, it was sent Priority/Insured. It was shipped to a Naval Commander in Reno, NV. Well it didn’t arrive, and it didn’t arrive, and my buyer started getting upset. These were the days when people paid fortunes for anything. I had made enough on the sale, that I just sent the buyer another “paper item.” Then over a MONTH later the original item arrived at his home and he immediately notified me. I have had over the years, at least 3 or 4 items shipped USPS/Priority/Insured that took over a month to arrive at their destination. All of these occurred before we began shipping USPS/Priority/Insured/Signature Required/Delivery Confirmation.
At this point in time, I have become tired of doing small packages via USPS and the larger ones via UPS. I am presently testing exclusive use of our UPS account for all items except those few which are shipped USPS/First Class/without signature. I have checked rates and found that the multitude of packages we ship which fall into the 1lb category, when I include: Insurance, Tracking, Signature Required, are actually cheaper to ship UPS than the USPS. We’ll see how it works out. UPS is slower from our location to the West Coast, but that is about the only drawback I can see.
One of my MAJOR problems with the USPS is, IF, you use their online DC, or the DC which Endicia prints on your label, there is NO actually tracking of the package, where for less if I shipped UPS, I can locate the package at any point in time, AND SO CAN MY BUYER! I see this as a distinct advantage.
As a seller, I have only had one buyer call me at home in my 8 years on ebay. That occurred about 6 months ago, and that was all it took. We immediately had our private home number changed to an unlisted number. I will not have folks calling at all hours. We post our business phone number, which is the phone to our (brick & mortar shop) with our auction information, but I won’t have folks calling me at home.
Actually, I don’t like to talk on the phone, and I feel that trying to solve differences via e-mail is MUCH better because: emotions stay calmer, and there is a written record of what was said, incase such is needed in the future. If you deal with a multitude of customers, it is difficult to recall who ask what, what you said, etc. When such is all done via e-mail you have a record.
For one, I didn't contact your seller. That would be a complete waste of my time of which I have no extra.
Second, yes it is just as much your own fault for not contacting your seller through regular e-mail. Ebay's e-mail system is very poor and should never be used when you are in need to contact your trading partner. If you had, this seller likely would have worked with you to track down the package. But you went right for the jugular and filed a charge back without contacting your seller. If I were that person, I likely would have filed fraud charges too. As far as calling at 3AM, if you had someone unjustly file a charge back for over $500.00 for something that was delivered (even though it was to the wrong place, unknown to seller at this point) I would be damm pissed off too. I sure as heck would be looking to get even and if waking you up at 3AM is what it took, I would likely do it. Remember, your seller is getting screwed for over $500.00 and isn't likely getting a lot of sleep now either. The insanity of your seller right now was created by you. And yes, you do owe your seller an appology for not contacting them earlier when the situation was still workable.
posted on May 11, 2004 09:35:20 PM new
Dear Stone Cold,
First off, let me reiterate that I have used eBay's e-mail system countless times over the last 5+ years without a problem. In addition, information from the seller which I will not share on a public forum lead me to strongly believe that she did indeed receive the e-mails but her arrogance as a "Gold-Power Seller" precluded her from answering them. The chargeback was the only way to get her attention.
Secondly, I HAVE NOT been refunded any money. The transaction is currently awaiting the outcome of PayPal's investigation. I, too am out $500+ at the present time with the seller making no indication of trying to trace the package. She required me to pay $7.20 insurance but has failed to provide the proof she actually bought any.
No reasonable person would call at 3:45am screaming. If you side with her, please post your eBay user ID so we can all avoid you as well.
I called her a number of times and she would never answer. The one time she called she hung up after I answered on the second ring. At no point did she demonstrate an interest to solve this rationally.
You either KNOW her or ARE her. Either way, you're actions are pitiful and you're name calling is pathetic.
posted on May 12, 2004 01:31:44 AM new
To everyone,
Thank you for all you input and to most of you, your support. My wife tells my often that my biggest fault is being too honest and that it sets me up as a target. So be it.
It has been interesting that the dissenting parties have chosen to focus on certain points and to ignore others. I have tried over and over to present the facts clearly and consider myself to be reasonably literate. The attacks by the seller and her few supporters here are not a negative reflection on my character but on those making them. The comments from Iareateacher especially are so out of line you have to wonder if she has a personal relationship or perhaps IS the seller. To make this is a sexist issue reflects on her own feelings of inferiority as a woman. My wife could teach you alot about self-respect.
At this point, I will kindly ask the moderators to lock this thread. I will keep you all updated with a new post when this gets resolved. On my parting note, I would like to publicly say to Cheriegal that I am sorry that this situation escalated out of control. I wish you would have been willing to relent even a little so we could have worked towards a solution. Even a small benefit of the doubt without casting blatant unfounded accusations in a completely inappropraite manner might have led to an easier resolution. Now the solution is in others hands.
Good night all!
posted on May 12, 2004 06:03:02 AM new
i think stonecold should find another forum,is stonecold=cheriegal??
my neighbor has a rotweiller which barks and hit himself against the fence everytime he sense i am in the backyard.
Stonecold,are you it??
-sig file -------we eat to live,not live to eat.
Benjamin Franklin
[ edited by stopwhining on May 12, 2004 06:18 AM ]
posted on May 12, 2004 09:56:45 AM new
bkkofaz - Good Luck and I hope that everything works out for you. We will be waiting for you next thread. With that I hope that when you explain something that posters will get what you say and not try and turn your thoughts into something else. This goes for everyone else that trys to explain a situation.
posted on May 12, 2004 12:43:25 PM new
Insurance was purchased, by the buyer. Even if not purchased through by the seller, it still exists as a contractual obligation. The insurance in question is on a USPS mailed item, ipso facto USPS regulations and requirements become the insurance portion of the contracted obligation. The buyer is expected to use due diligence in pursuing any claims, time is of the essence. If the seller is not diligent, Section 2-609 UCC, "... When reasonable grounds for insecurity arise with respect to the performance of either party the other may in writing demand adequate assurance of due performance and until he receives such assurance may if commercially reasonable suspend any performance for which he has not already received the agreed return."
This is the rule of the land and you did the right thing. The seller caused insecurity by her actions or inactions. Stay the course.
posted on May 12, 2004 01:08:11 PM new
I think it comes down to one thing. The seller did not purchase insurance. If she did she would say so, send the recipt & that would be all there is to it.
She gambled & lost & is looking for a way out with threats, but it won't work. She will lose this one & perhaps learn an expensive lesson.
bkkofaz
I have no doubt you will get your money back.
You are right actually. The seller DID indicate a solution that would solve everything....reverse the chargeback and deal with the post office by myself. nything less would not be acceptable to her.
Guess what, AIN"T HAPPENIN!!!
posted on May 12, 2004 11:43:16 PM new
McJane...I think you hit the nail on the head. She collected the insurance premium from the buyer, but instead of going through the P.O. or Upic, she decided to "self insure". Looks like it came back to bite her in the butt, and she doesn't like it. She took a chance and lost. It happens in Las Vegas every 2 seconds. She needs to take her lumps and move on. The only other rational explanation I can think of is that the seller sent an empty box to a vacant lot for the sole purpose of getting a scanned DC for that zip code. I'm of the opion that if the seller cannot provide an insurance number, then she has commited fraud.
A $75.00 solid state device will always blow first to protect a 25 cent fuse ~ Murphy's Law
posted on May 12, 2004 11:54:00 PM new
Holy Drama Queen Batman... bkkofaz earned the right to be a pissed off customer after the late night call.
....silly rabbit...I'd be hopping mad!
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All the monkeys aren't in the zoo,
Every day you meet quite a few,
So you see it's all up to you.
You can be better than you are,
You could be swingin' on a star
She'd freak if she read some of what is posted at the Round Table.
