posted on June 7, 2004 12:26:39 PM new
It is said at death that "Love perishes and Hate is forgotten". I have often wondered what that really means (especially while stogeing on my doobie -- lol!!! -- just kidding -- thought I'd make ya laugh!!) - but seriously, I think it means just that, death is that *all is gone* thing.
park, i hope you can savor your good memories. (Seems no what anybody says this man was very popular among the masses. I just saw how he kept that lady as a penpal for years and I thought that was terrific he did that!) But maybe for your own sake, stay away from the boards if the political 'sides' of it get to you. Bound to happen with a public life JMHO
posted on June 7, 2004 12:56:09 PM new
the remarks here are exactly why i keep political opinions to myself. we all have the right to our opinion, even Mr Reagan agreed with that.
one question though? do you think that we could have stopped 9/11 just by asking "bin laden do not bomb our buildings?!"?
posted on June 7, 2004 03:40:02 PM new
Postal Workers have a new found love for Reagan, at least a dead Ronald Reagan. Postal workers get Friday off- Post Ofdfices will be closed.
Reagan was a fraud and huckster and almost completely destroyed this country just like Bush Jr is doing.
posted on June 7, 2004 05:48:59 PM new
WOW - The venom spews forth. So much for this thread being what I thought was a tribute to President Reagan. Leave it to the classless immatures in our midst to have their tantrums, even when some are in mourning. So tasteless and so selfish. As they say, a time and place for everything. Yet I'm not surprised as that seems to be their Modus operandi.
All I can say is President Carter was a smart man in lining himself up with Habitat For Humanity. He certainly endeared himself to the public in that respect. Makes me wonder how the masses will remember President Clinton (LOL - I think I have a good idea).
posted on June 7, 2004 06:39:44 PM new
"rarriffle - the remarks here are exactly why i keep political opinions to myself. we all have the right to our opinion, even Mr Reagan agreed with that."
I would completely disagree with your statement that Reagan would agree with that. Why? Because in 1968, when he was Governor of California, there were many student protests on the Berkeley Campus led by Mario Savio. As Governor, Ronald Reagan said that, "students have no business in the political process." I would say that that statement completely negates the very idea that Reagan felt we all have the right to our opinion.
posted on June 7, 2004 06:50:11 PM new
Isn't it odd, then, that President Reagan went to Berkeley and met with student leaders and that some, still unregenerate Communist-wannabes decades later, admit a grudging respect for the man.*
Next time you want to smear a great leader's memory, do it with a bunch of people who weren't alive at the time. They'll believe anything, as amply evidenced here on good ol' Vendio.
* ref. Larry "the Maggot" Magid's column in today's Palo Alto Daily News.
posted on June 7, 2004 06:52:41 PM new
Oh, and one more thing. If you feel that it is un-American to give a negative opinion regarding a President, then you should perhaps consider that America was based almost entirely on the grounds of disagreement with their leader, the King of England.
It really bugs me when some conservative moron gets going, and makes out like us liberals (and proud of it) are un-American for having an opinion. Lets not forget that we have a right to express ourselves. Not that anyone said this, but I also think that anyone who says, "if you don't like it here, then you should leave" is a moron as well. You only come across as a bigot and a seperatist when you say something like that. We all live in America, and we have the right to our opinions. If someone loved Ronald Reagan, then so be it, but at the same token, be prepared for those who have very strong words for his political agenda. It goes both ways.
posted on June 7, 2004 08:23:21 PM new
Now, now, now...
As Borax-Bonzo said: It took a 20-Mule Team load of chutzpah to illegally sell illegal arms to one group of scum-bags (Iranians) & then illegally send the profits to another group of scumbags (Contras).
posted on June 7, 2004 08:28:57 PM new
<<We all live in America, and we have the right to our opinions>>
Ummm...I don't know how to break this to you. We're not the only ones that have that right. You can add about half a billion more to the list. I'm really surprised you forgot to include the people in the former Soviet Bloc. They obtained this right in the late 80's. Guess who made this happen? I'll give you a hint, it wasn't a liberal. Ask just about any of those 500 million people. I'm sure they can give you the correct answer.
A $75.00 solid state device will always blow first to protect a 25 cent fuse ~ Murphy's Law
posted on June 7, 2004 08:34:13 PM new
"Lets not forget that we have a right to express ourselves."
"...we have the right to our opinions."
Sure you do. I don't recall reading here that anyone did not have that right. If I missed it, by all means point it out.
I actually enjoy reading opposing opinions, at least the ones that are concise, well-written and makes one think. "As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another."
However as I mentioned in my earlier posting, I thought this thread was meant to be a tribute to President Reagan. Yet a few whiners feel that we should be blessed with their hateful drivel, ignoring the fact that the man just died and many are in mourning.
In an odd way though, I can see why they need to vent. I'm sure that with all the massive coverage, they are just besides themselves. Well, we heard you. Feel better? Now go start your own thread discussing the evils of President Reagan. And you may want to think about taking a class on Civility 101. It would do you some good.
posted on June 8, 2004 04:25:43 AM newI'm really surprised you forgot to include the people in the former Soviet Bloc. They obtained this right in the late 80's. Guess who made this happen?
Reagan didn't end the Soviet Union any more than Nixon put a man on the moon.
posted on June 8, 2004 08:08:22 PM new
Not Even a Hedgehog
The stupidity of Ronald Reagan.
By Christopher Hitchens
Posted Monday, June 7, 2004, at 10:03 AM PT
Neither a fox nor a hedgehog
Not long ago, I was invited to be the specter at the feast during "Ronald Reagan Appreciation Week" at Wabash College in Indiana. One of my opponents was Dinesh D'Souza: He wasn't the only one who maintained that Reagan had been historically vindicated by the wreckage of the Soviet Union. Some of us on the left had also been very glad indeed to see the end of the Russian empire and the Cold War. But nothing could make me forget what the Reagan years had actually been like.
Ronald Reagan claimed that the Russian language had no word for "freedom." (The word is "svoboda"; it's quite well attested in Russian literature.) Ronald Reagan said that intercontinental ballistic missiles (not that there are any non-ballistic missiles—a corruption of language that isn't his fault) could be recalled once launched. Ronald Reagan said that he sought a "Star Wars" defense only in order to share the technology with the tyrants of the U.S.S.R. Ronald Reagan professed to be annoyed when people called it "Star Wars," even though he had ended his speech on the subject with the lame quip, "May the force be with you." Ronald Reagan used to alarm his Soviet counterparts by saying that surely they'd both unite against an invasion from Mars. Ronald Reagan used to alarm other constituencies by speaking freely about the "End Times" foreshadowed in the Bible. In the Oval Office, Ronald Reagan told Yitzhak Shamir and Simon Wiesenthal, on two separate occasions, that he himself had assisted personally at the liberation of the Nazi death camps.
There was more to Ronald Reagan than that. Reagan announced that apartheid South Africa had "stood beside us in every war we've ever fought," when the South African leadership had been on the other side in the most recent world war. Reagan allowed Alexander Haig to greenlight the Israeli invasion of Lebanon in 1982, fired him when that went too far and led to mayhem in Beirut, then ran away from Lebanon altogether when the Marine barracks were bombed, and then unbelievably accused Tip O'Neill and the Democrats of "scuttling." Reagan sold heavy weapons to the Iranian mullahs and lied about it, saying that all the weapons he hadn't sold them (and hadn't traded for hostages in any case) would, all the same, have fit on a small truck. Reagan then diverted the profits of this criminal trade to an illegal war in Nicaragua and lied unceasingly about that, too. Reagan then modestly let his underlings maintain that he was too dense to understand the connection between the two impeachable crimes. He then switched without any apparent strain to a policy of backing Saddam Hussein against Iran. (If Margaret Thatcher's intelligence services had not bugged Oliver North in London and become infuriated because all European nations were boycotting Iran at Reagan's request, we might still not know about this.)
One could go on. I only saw him once up close, which happened to be when he got a question he didn't like. Was it true that his staff in the 1980 debates had stolen President Carter's briefing book? (They had.) The famously genial grin turned into a rictus of senile fury: I was looking at a cruel and stupid lizard. His reply was that maybe his staff had, and maybe they hadn't, but what about the leak of the Pentagon Papers? Thus, a secret theft of presidential documents was equated with the public disclosure of needful information. This was a man never short of a cheap jibe or the sort of falsehood that would, however laughable, buy him some time.
The fox, as has been pointed out by more than one philosopher, knows many small things, whereas the hedgehog knows one big thing. Ronald Reagan was neither a fox nor a hedgehog. He was as dumb as a stump. He could have had anyone in the world to dinner, any night of the week, but took most of his meals on a White House TV tray. He had no friends, only cronies. His children didn't like him all that much. He met his second wife—the one that you remember—because she needed to get off a Hollywood blacklist and he was the man to see. Year in and year out in Washington, I could not believe that such a man had even been a poor governor of California in a bad year, let alone that such a smart country would put up with such an obvious phony and loon.
Christopher Hitchens is a columnist for Vanity Fair. His latest book, Blood, Class and Empire, is out in paperback.
posted on June 9, 2004 02:45:12 AM new
I attended alot of funerals and laid alot of good friends to rest in the mid to late 80's, all the while Reagan continued to willfully ignore the AIDS epidemic and withheld federal funding. I can never forgive the "Gipper" for that.
posted on June 9, 2004 07:56:53 AM new
Those of us who still reside in the great state of California will never forget him. He saved us so much money by virtually ending medical care for the mentally ill and closing the majority of the mental hospitals. The mentally ill are grateful too. They are now out in the fresh air with their shopping carts and able to carry on conversations with their imaginary friends on the public streets and parks instead of being stuck in treatment centers being properly fed and clothed.
posted on June 9, 2004 09:03:22 AM new
Shething
Let’s put this AIDS funding thing to bed, shall we? Here’s the annual Federal spending on AIDS research during the Reagan administration:
In 1982, $8 million was spent on AIDS.
In 1983, $44 million.
In 1984, $103 million
In 1985, $205 million
In 1986, $508 million
In 1987, $922 million
In 1988, $1,625 million
In 1989, $2,322 million
posted on June 9, 2004 09:15:27 AM new
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[ edited by neglus on Jun 9, 2004 09:16 AM ]
posted on June 9, 2004 09:36:47 AM new
we did not really know that much about AIDS when it first broke out in gay communities.
Remember the AIDS fact sheet we received in the mail,what does it really tell you??
Back then,people were too prudent to discuss certain practice in the open.
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posted on June 9, 2004 10:30:28 AM new
This is absolutely pathetic. I started this thread to simply pay respect to a man who had risen to the highest office in the land. Simply getting there is enough to generate at least some level of respect.
A man has died-he was our President.
Regardless of how anyone feels about the man a little respect should be shown to anyone who loses their life.
This isn't about Republican or Democrat, it's about a simple bit of respect for the dead.
Those of you who have responded appropriately I share your views. For those of you who have responded with venom and pettiness and hatred, I ask you:
How will you be remembered by those you've touched in your life?
I can only hope for your sake, that people will remember you with more kindness than you've shown here for a man who was our leader.
posted on June 9, 2004 10:46:15 AM new
Capolady, I didn't know President Reagan personally, so I can only go by his record as Governor and President. To think that nobody should comment on the things he did while President doesn't make sense just because he passed away. When I die, I hope nobody feels compelled to just talk about my good points as if they're fooling everyone. It's the trials and tribulations I went through that made me the person I am, not the good stuff, so I hope my "mourners" will be able freely talk about those things too without guilt.
posted on June 9, 2004 12:01:44 PM new
hi Capolady:
"This isn't about Republican or Democrat, it's about a simple bit of respect for the dead."
Well said, and if i may -- on feb 6, 2004, someone on this forum wished him a happy birthday. it got no replies. speaks multitudes for the nature of human nature...
posted on June 9, 2004 05:00:48 PM new
When President Reagan was in office, I was in college and after that, I didn’t really follow politics. Now that I’m a news addict, I’ve been glued to the TV this week learning so much about our former President. He obviously impacted lots of people, as evidenced just by the tens and tens and tens of thousands in CA, many who waited 8 hours or so just for the chance to walk by his coffin.
I say it’s a sign of a GREAT and EXCEPTIONAL president the way the liberals are gnashing their teeth and writing such untrue garbage. To the point it’s almost amusing. Really, you just gotta feel sorry for them because their hatred blinds them to the truth and they don’t even realize it.
posted on June 9, 2004 06:13:24 PM new
dixielou your posts are right on target. When someone comes into a forum and posts factual information, whether liberal or conservative there are always a few who really get on their high horse and retaliate back.
I guess you could take the title of this thread and taken it two ways but the originally poster was the one who set the tone. But as we all know someone comes in and turns the table to their own agenda and yes Reamond I am talking about you....
This was a fine tribute to a great president I can't wait for Clintons or Carters or even Bush Sr. Greatness is the way you quietly speak and someone hears you as he did. We haven't see a President like this and I am sure in my life time I will not see another one but I sure wish I could.
Acting had nothing to do with his Presidency so how can someone compare the two.
JMHO
