roadsmith
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posted on February 26, 2006 11:53:02 AM new
This dish is 7.25" long, perfect condition. Raised decor on the bottom of the dish, also. The circles remind me of something I want to call Moonstone but I'm sure that's wrong. Is this elegant glass?
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bjboswell
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posted on February 26, 2006 03:07:27 PM new
Road is the glass very clear and clean. and does it have a ground and polished edge on the bottom. If so that would indicate a "better maker and piece" If not it is best listed,I think, as a clear depression pickle or condiment dish.BTW if it is ground and polished make sure you mention that in your description.
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roadsmith
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posted on February 26, 2006 03:12:56 PM new
Thanks BJ. The glass is clear and clean but doesn't have a ground and polished bottom edge, so I'll list it in depression glass (unknown maker, I guess). Appreciate your help. Adele
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fluffythewondercat
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posted on February 26, 2006 04:23:41 PM new
I'm always ready to learn, so will someone explain to me why this piece could not be EAPG?
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ladyjewels2000
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posted on February 26, 2006 04:54:18 PM new
That's what I was wondering as well. It's not a depression glass pattern that I've ever seen.
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roadsmith
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posted on February 26, 2006 05:28:54 PM new
Okay, so the verdict is still out. Can anyone tell me the name of the glass pattern that has round bubbles or balloony things all around the edge? I've sold it long ago but just can't dredge it out of my brain right now. I'm not particularly thinking of "lariat," but something similar to that.
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ladyjewels2000
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posted on February 26, 2006 05:33:46 PM new
Candlewick?
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sparkz
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posted on February 26, 2006 06:35:24 PM new
It's not Candlewick, although the round balls do bring it to mind.
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roadsmith
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posted on February 26, 2006 06:44:10 PM new
Ha. Candlewick is what I was trying to remember. So this isn't Candlewick, then. Would most of you list it under EAPG, unknown maker, or does anyone have a clue about the maker.
I hate selling glass, knowing almost nothing about it, but I did have this piece and want to clear off some of my eBay shelves.
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posted on February 26, 2006 09:41:58 PM new
Roadie, give a pic of the bottom from a slight angle. show the seam lines if possible.
Fluffy, EAPG is a highly over used term for way too many pieces of clear glass that someone can not identify. Most true pieces of EAPC have a slightly grey tint due to the amount of flint content used in early glass.
Depression Glass originally referred to most of the in-expensive glasswares produced between 1930 and 1950, but now everyone is using it in reference to just about anything their grandmother may have had on her wedding day. Most of us on the board are Grandmother's ourselves, how old does that make you feel??
Per What is Pressed Glass
"EAPG, also known as simply "pattern glass", is pressed glass tableware (& some related novelty glass items) made only during the Victorian period ca 1850-1910, only in America, and in "sets" such that all of the pieces in the set matched in design."
on the subject of glassware with balls, they were used by many glasses houses. Candlewick, Burple, Boopee,Berwick, Oyster-and-pearl, and others.
Here is a great page What is NOT Candlewick
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roadsmith
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posted on February 26, 2006 10:31:44 PM new
ltray: There is no seam! I've spend several minutes looking for one. It's not there.
Thanks for the information you've given here. I'll go to the link next. Appreciate your help.
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roadsmith
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posted on February 26, 2006 10:41:22 PM new
Wow, that's a great page! Thanks so much. What I have looks a little bit like Indiana Duncan Miller "Tear Drop," or something by Union Glass Co. I think I'll have to list it in one of the glass categories under "unknown."
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posted on February 26, 2006 11:03:46 PM new
Roadsmith...List it as Indiana with a ? after it. It'll take the people who haunt that category about an hour after the auction goes live to let you know if it isn't Indiana. You can then change it to a different category if necessary.
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ltray
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posted on February 27, 2006 05:14:53 AM new
Roadie, you might also want to use a different picture in your auction. The one posted looks like there is a chip towards the top of the left side handle. If I saw that in an auction, I might not go on to read that the dish has no chips. Just a suggestion 
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ladyjewels2000
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posted on February 27, 2006 08:06:41 AM new
Really good websites. I really like the "What's not Candlewick" as there are tons of patterns that look like Candlewick that aren't.
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roadsmith
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posted on February 27, 2006 10:31:35 AM new
Thanks, ltray. I plan to take better pictures. That one was on top of my black propane stove here in my office, whose flaws show up soooo clearly in pictures but not in real life!
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posted on March 1, 2006 06:08:18 AM new
Sorry to get back to this so late... Road you have probably already boxed and shipped! But the question was raised about why isn't this depression and what is the difference between depression and EAPG...
The formula for the glass is the big difference. Depression glass was made during the machine age and was a cheap soda lime concoction. It was cheap to produce, much thinner in body than earlier EAPG and thus far more fragile.
EAPG was in the height of its manufacture made with an addition of flint to the mixture. This gave the glass a perfectly lovely ring tone when tapped for one thing. It was hand poured into the mold as opposed to machine.
The best way, most reliable if you are not a glass person is books with the patterns and names. Ruth Lee Webb is the God mother of those books... they are very hard to find now and pricey (unless you trip over them) as they have not been republished for years. I use several books but the one I like the best because of ease of use and wealth of information contained is Pattern Glass by Mollie McCain. Heacocks books are available and also excellant. I do not do depression glass but I do love EAPG and live in the heart of its manufacture, New England. If you are in Mass. and want a good day of learning do visit the museum of EAPG in Sandwich Mass. It contains a wealth of knowledge and you will learn enough to be dangerous!
Hope all or some of this helps. BJB
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bjboswell
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posted on March 1, 2006 06:19:55 AM new
ltray... by the way thanks for hunting down both of those site links... they are both terrific!
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posted on March 1, 2006 06:29:21 AM new
EAPG is a complex and oftentimes confusing subject. Its name itself is a misnomer, as some of the collectible patterns included are in fact ca. 1900, which is not early at all. Some hints:
- Flint (lead content) patterns will have a bell tone when tapped. This tone will vary according to the amount of lead content. For the most part, flint glass production ended around 1860. Greyish color (or lack thereof) is not a factor; the good flint patterns are among the clearest.
- Non flint (soda lime) glass was a cheaper alternative, pretty much became standard post Civil War.
- You can look for mold lines to determine the number of pieces the mold required. You can then ignore this information because it is totally irrelevant for EAPG.
- The market for EAPG is basically driven by demand for certain patterns and forms. Out of hundreds of patterns produced, my guess is that fewer than 100 are actively collected, and there is a great price differential among forms in any pattern. For example, in one pattern wines may cost far more than goblets, in another pattern, the opposite is true. And for many forms/patterns, there is virtually no demand, so if you wanted to, you could find items of glass well over 100 years old selling for the price of stuff in Target.
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roadsmith
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posted on March 1, 2006 08:22:44 AM new
BJ: I'm smiling! No, I haven't boxed and shipped this item. I haven't even listed it yet! Still dithering over it, wondering if I'll get a good photo of it. As I mentioned above, there's no mold line. It's heavier than depression glass, by a long shot. Sometime this week I'll list it, I'm sure.
What a great education we get from each other at this site! I've learned much about the glass world with this item and hugely appreciate the help you all have given me.
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bjboswell
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posted on March 1, 2006 08:33:15 AM new
Road I have looked through all my books for this pattern and did not find it. As there were literally thousands of patterns made that is not at all unusual. I would however advise that you use the words nappy and pickle as key words in the listing. I personally think it would be a wonderful soap dish in a ladies powder room.... I'm such a "wordy" lister though so take all that for what its worth to you. Giving those "Muffy and Buffy " gals ideas is sometimes the difference between selling and not selling!
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roadsmith
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posted on March 1, 2006 08:58:26 AM new
Thanks, bj. I too am a wordy describer, I think, and I'll take your advice here. Love the idea of a soap dish. What would "nappy" refer to here, for a dish that's about 7" long?
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bjboswell
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posted on March 1, 2006 09:10:01 AM new
Now I'm smiling!!! About 25 years ago, I was in my first mall as a dealer. I had this dish about the shape of yours and didn't know what it was so I asked Macy, an old lady dealer now deceased, what is this dish? She looked at it then me and said,
"When you don't know what to call it call it a nappy. Your customers will think you know something they don't and you'll look smart and will sell more!" Trust me she sold LOTS more than most people in that mall so I have taken that advise and her rye smile to heart and always call those small dishes "nappys". Thanks for the smile... she was a hoot and one of those encyclopedias of knowledge that we are poorer for not having now. She used to run the roads in Kansas and come back to Denver with a car load of great stuff!! CHEAP!! I took that lesson as well. Every month I haunted the small towns of north western and central Kansas. It was quiet fun and much easier than standing in line at estate sales in Denver and playing those political games. People used to ask me "Where do you come up with this stuff?" I never told them I just smiled and said from an older lady I know! Thanks Road that was nice to think about this morning...
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roadsmith
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posted on March 1, 2006 11:13:22 AM new
BJ: Nice story about the older lady in the mall. Too bad our culture doesn't revere older people the way others do (like in Asia). Of course I'd like that, now that I'm getting up in years.
Nappy seems to me an English word used for, ummm, diapers?? (I tried to imagine a diaper folded small enough to fit on this dish.)
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roadsmith
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posted on March 1, 2006 11:15:26 AM new
Look what I found through google!
http://www.nappyinformationservice.co.uk
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bjboswell
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posted on March 1, 2006 02:39:00 PM new
What a hoot! All those little dishes I have marked "nappy" over the last 25 + years....
I hope everyone doesn't Google!
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posted on March 2, 2006 04:51:31 PM new
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neglus
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posted on March 2, 2006 05:18:37 PM new
bj - one of the definitions of "nappy":
nap·py2 Audio pronunciation of "nappy" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (np)
n. pl. nap·pies
A round, shallow cooking or serving dish with a flat bottom and sloping sides.
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roadsmith
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posted on March 2, 2006 05:40:15 PM new
So there IS another definition for nappy! I'll be happy to use nappy in my description.
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amber
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posted on March 2, 2006 07:08:32 PM new
Yes, those of us who grew up in England put nappies on all our babies, and they were not made of glass!
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