posted on March 30, 2001 10:47:12 PM new
No, not of the horse variety. Not if you know your Erisian astrology. If you did, then you would recognize it as worm wallow.
posted on March 31, 2001 01:41:45 AM new
Nice post, anais... even if others don't get to see it. You articulated what I feel, for sure. It seems that sarcasm is only acceptable from one side. I also find it disturbing that the moderators are now controlling postings on the basis of what you write elsewhere?
The open discussion between posters and moderators was one of the things that made AW a nice place to be. The heavy-handed treatment over the last few weeks has been quite disturbing.
For the person who asked, granny is posting at Baypal.
posted on March 31, 2001 05:19:13 AM new
With the growing number of chat rooms on the net, I don't see the big deal here. Of course I am not obsessed with this place so maybe that is the answer?
posted on March 31, 2001 07:47:17 AM new
i was thinking that it was a good time for a pareau graphic, but more like the mods collectively watching from afar or above.
posted on March 31, 2001 08:20:27 AM new
Wow, I'm sure glad I have my email turned on for this thread. I haven't been able to keep up here, and just spent the last 20 minutes reading the posts.
What a shame. Moderators and or Administrators using other boards to make monerations, members leaving so fast the revolving door will be spinning for weeks, threads "coming and going so quickly here" with no explanation.
With all due respect to Mark et. al., what in the Sam Hill are you trying to accomplish here? Wouldn't it be much more efficient to just close down the boards in one fell swoop? This is like being eaten to death by ants.
posted on March 31, 2001 09:13:58 AM new
Hi Meya and ?
I was wondering the same thing. Gosh, go shopping for a day and come back to this.
I can only think of one thing that might have brought about this change of policy and zapped threads etc without mention or make this more explainable.
I thought it was a rumor but now I am wondering? Could it be true? First let me tell you why I am re-thinking this rumor.
Remember when a certain person bought a train? Remember his other place? Remember his mention of "buying out all the boards that he could so he could surpass Ebay and give them a run for their money"?
Well, watching these new changes gives me a moment to wonder? Just think back for a moment.
That other place deletes threads without notice. That other place only lets posters post that "keep on a happy face and praise TPB", Unmentionable acts or truths are hidden or vanish into thin air for no rhyme or reason?
Remember TPB over at that other place wanted to start charging for auctions? Remember reading here and elsewhere that maybe the reason AW deleted the MC and actions are taken behind doors so as to make the board look nicey, nicey for investors or a sell out or is it called a buy out? Am I close here?
I am thinking the "new" policies sound and look so close that one could think they were in a different place.
Granted there is no mention here of contests or using fuzzy bucks to buy from each other. Nor have I seen recipes by the thousands listed but it could be possible for all I know.
Remember the "train" board he closed? Remember that there is a sign there now that says, "under construction" and is due to open tomorrow or is it today?
Could the reason for the wait be that AW has sold out to him and in the deal AW promised to make changes that fit in with TPB over there to reflect that boards policies?
I just have to ask? Could it be true?
Surely, there will be an announcement that AW was or will be sold, won't there?
The other possibility is that it is April Fools Day today?
Now, I need to go grab a shower so hopefully there will be an answer later if I have time or after our outing if I don't have time before we leave.
(I have tried very hard not to mention names or places to follow the guide-lines but this may have already been asked and zapped or banned by moderators and the new "email the moderators" policy. If so, I apologize but truthfully, how would we know?)
Oh, please take my name of your lists. I started off reading this board and it has been for the most part a pleasant daily routine for a couple of years but when a place is no longer nice nor fun nor fair then it is time to hit the road. AW at one time was pretty above board. Now, I guess the policy is:
posted on March 31, 2001 09:54:09 AM new
Hello Everyone,
I'm going to start over because there seems to be alot of misinformation taken as truth.
Here goes:
We have a new policy at AuctionWatch. You will now be getting one on one attention via email instead of having your CG breaches aired to the world in the Moderator's Corner.
If you start a thread and it is against the CG's and we delete it, we email you, just like in the past.
If you have a post or thread WOMD and you don't receive an email it is because:
a) The email address on file for you is not current or viable.
b) The Moderator on duty is very busy with many other threads and issues and just plain forgot or hasn't got to it yet.
In any event you can email us and ask us what happened and we will get back to you if it was a thread you started.
The moderators will continue to moderate according to posts to this board only, same as always. No moderation to date has been made according to other board activity.
I think that covers it. I know changes are often challenging, but in the end I think you will all like this one. Give it a chance.
posted on March 31, 2001 10:04:53 AM newa) The email address on file for you is not current or viable.
Um, Joice? Every email I've ever received, regardless of originating client, has a return address right up at the top. Further, every email client I've ever seen has the capability to "Reply To" an incoming message with the click of a button. I do not by any means intend to be disparaging toward you in any way by pointing this out, but please return the favor by not insulting our intelligence with an explanation which is so utterly false on its face.
-gaffan-
posted on March 31, 2001 10:18:02 AM new
Rather than being snide, inside, why don't you enlighten me?
If you are making a point about "on file" and the need for verification that the sender is who they claim to be, how difficult would it be, in cases where a) above obtained, to send a reply indicating that "we're not sure who you are, please update your profile and we'll be able to respond."?
If you are making some other point, I'm sorry but it escapes me.
-gaffan-
Change is challenging, but I think the more important issue is how change is managed here.
So far, from my viewpoint, AW has consistently handled change in a pretty screwy manner. Changes announced with short notice, lack of information about how the change is going to be implemented, a very tight control on allowing us the opportunity to discuss how the change would affect things, policy "on the wing" announced and then changed and implemented without allowing ANY discussion.
It is not the way people expect to be treated. I am sure things are difficult for you, personally, in the midst of implementing all the change, but why cannot the PTB have a bit more adult approach to this, and treat the board users accordingly?
I am sure you are so glad to be shot of having to hear all the tattle-telling from the MC, but there needs to be a forum to discuss how this board is managed and moderated. And having Mark come at respond in such a, frankly, pissy way, does not bode well. He may have issues with Hellcat, but they sure don't need to include whatever she (allegedly) posts in other places. That is just childish - and his over-reaction is quite telling.
posted on March 31, 2001 02:07:08 PM newspaz - very true. I get tunnel vision sometimes, and had actually forgotten that.
Good luck, ya'll. I'm off to a benefit dinner for a high school senior who got so messed up in a car accident this year he may never graduate at all. Kinda puts this in perspective for me.
posted on April 1, 2001 12:15:37 PM new
Hi, Mivona. I see you posting here all by your lonesome. I just wanted to drop in and let you know that you are not alone. I share your feelings.
I agree with the poster above. There can be only one reason AW is handing out AW "happy face" masks and sweeping the unpleasantness of the MC under the carpet.
After four years of selling online at eBay, I think I'm pretty familiar with the outlook of third-party service providers. We sellers generate a LOT of money for them. Despite Mark's growing antagonism towards AW members, the fact is that without eBay sellers, this site can not and will not generate a profit. Not through banner ads, nor through listing services, nor any other kind of service.
Third party providers see a lot of money changing hands, and they want their slice of the pie. I don't have a problem with that. I suppose I've even become numb to the one-two punch of hooking customers with free services, and then instituting flash-fees. What I can not and will not abide is the attitude by third-party service providers that "you need us, you can't survive without us." Hah! Fat chance. I take my business seriously, too seriously to cater to arrogant, haughty attitudes such as AW has displayed in the past few months.
I have never used AW services other than the forums. I have learned much, and helped others in the past year and a half. And yet, I feel that not only does AW not respect me, but they are sending a plain message that "you are expendable." Fine, because I don't need AW either. At this point, it's obvious that there are other message forums that ARE interested in auction-related discussion, and not merely promoting fluff for the sake of fattening their site for sale.
I'm posting this now, in this thread, because I can. In a few days, once this thread is gone, this type of post will not be allowed.
Mivona, I want to answer a comment you made a while back. I'm not withdrawing from this site solely because of AW's policy. My reaction is also due in great part to the reaction of several posters following AW's reversal of the auction discussion policy. I was sorely grieved by comments such as as "we win, we win! " following the lockdown of the forums vis-a-vis auction discussion. Internet paranoia has struck AW, and the paranoids have won. I'm not here to kick back, relax and make a friend. I'm here to discuss auctions. Let those who want fluff, and to be counted as a jot in AW's bookkeeping, remain. I have neither the desire or the time to waste.
When I first came to AW, this site was run by trolls, aka The Wolfpack. There were no moderators. I abided the constant harassment and insults because there was indeed some auction discussion, and also because I felt then that AW was truly interested in the purpose and quality of eBay Outlook. Unfortunately, it appears AW has gone the way of other third-party service providers. The bottom line is no longer auction information, but money. For me, that is a deal-breaker.
posted on April 1, 2001 12:22:12 PM newthis site was run by trolls, aka The Wolfpack. There were no moderators. I abided the constant harassment and insults because there was indeed some auction discussion
pot, kettle, black.
he who is without sin cast the first stone.
glass houses, rocks , etc.
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Moderators and or Administrators using other boards to make monerations, members leaving so fast the revolving door will be spinning for weeks, threads "coming and going so quickly here" with no explanation.
I think! 