anais
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posted on March 31, 2001 10:02:27 AM new
One of my very closest friends through college, whom I will call David, was gay. He was a blast to be with and a loyal friend. He eventually moved to a big city and met and fell in love with Sam,(not his real name. They had a big church wedding in NYC some years later.
They are raising two small children, a boy and a girl. Those children couldn't have a more loving, caring and nuturing family. I' ve had the pleasure of being in their home for the weekend last year. The little boy could read at 3 and now at 6 plays two musical instruments, plays chess, speaks French and is a straight A student at a private school. The girl is a talented smart little girl who tap dances, takes ballet, speaks 2 languages, reads at a 9th grade level and has been home schooled by Sam. She is 10. Both those children know more about computers and world affairs then I ever will.
When ask about their mom recently the little girl said, "I have two dads and that makes me lucky and smart!"
I believe that what adults do is their own business. I believe nontraditional couples should be allowed to marry and adopt children. Love is a beautiful experience. They deserve to be left alone to live their lives.
~~Anais~~
[ edited by anais on Mar 31, 2001 10:12 AM ]
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NearTheSea
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posted on March 31, 2001 10:25:47 AM new
I do not believe your born gay or straight.
However what 2 adults do, is none of my business.
As far as same sex marriages wasn't Vermont the FIRST state to recognize them? I remember reading about it, and hearing it on the radio, how all these couple came there to get married, last year some time?
(Well it was one of the state that begins with V anyway  )
[email protected]
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bobbysoxer
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posted on March 31, 2001 02:47:20 PM new
As I have stated in a previous post in this thread the same ole same ole arguments...sigh...
"Public Policy Statement Reparative Therapy
Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbians and Gays (PFLAG) opposes and deplores efforts by professional and religious groups that propose to change or repair anyone's sexual orientation. We believe such attempts originate from cultural bias based on myth, misperception and misunderstanding. We encourage all professional, educational and religious organizations to work towards changing cultural biases rather than embarking on futile and damaging efforts to change sexual orientation."
Adopted by the Board of Directors, January 17, 2000
APA Council of Representatives Passes Resolution on So-Called Reparative Therapy:
http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/resolution97.html
"Reparative" therapy:
http://www.eurekalert.org/releases/apsa-rtd020400.html
Psychologist says efforts to 'cure' homosexuality can cause lasting damage:
http://www.detnews.com/1997/accent/9709/26/09260036.htm
Biblical Verse: Is It A Reason Or An Excuse?:
http://www.musclememory.com/fogarty/gay_issues/sf_examiner_article.html
steps to recovery from bible abuse:
http://www.truluck.com/
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joice
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posted on March 31, 2001 02:53:42 PM new
Pocono,
I have deleted your picture as it is offensive to some of the Users here at AuctionWatch.
Thanks for understanding,
Joice
[email protected]
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femme
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posted on March 31, 2001 04:56:02 PM new
Same Sex Marriages Okay?
Yes.
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bobbysoxer
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posted on March 31, 2001 05:12:18 PM new
Shelly
yes it was Vermont and I believe their marriage law is still in effect, but is being treatened to be reversed.
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Pocono
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posted on March 31, 2001 05:51:26 PM new
I understand Joice...
I apologise to anyone that it might have offended.
It honestly WAS meant in a non offensive way.
Just thought it was humorous, but Joice is right. In hindsight, it might have been viewed differently.
Sorry.
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HJW
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posted on March 31, 2001 06:04:22 PM new
Hi Pocono,
Your picture reminded me of the Madi Gras in New Orleans! 
Some people must be very easily offended.
Helen
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ClearAsMud
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posted on March 31, 2001 09:33:48 PM new
pocono:
okay ~ Mardi Gras or Key West?
bobbysoxer:
thanks for all of the substantiation ~ sorry you have to keep repeating it
*heavy sigh*
allow me to repeat myself as well
straight, not narrow
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bobbysoxer
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posted on March 31, 2001 10:02:34 PM new
This is one debate that has been around way before any of us were even thought of and will be around way after all of us are gone.
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fairyblossom
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posted on March 31, 2001 10:09:05 PM new
I have been with my partner for almost 4 years and it infuriates me that someone feels they can tell me who I can and can not marry! We are no doubt soul mates and will be together until the day we die...I have never been more in love. I wish for all of you the same happiness and peace in life!
=0)
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zoomin
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posted on March 31, 2001 10:18:34 PM new
hi bobbysoxer!
I hope that you are wrong ~ that the world will become a more tolerant place for our children to grow up in. The amount of open hostility and prejudice is frightening. People fear what they do not understand. Let's hold some faith for the next generations!
BTW, thanks for the links. Not condescending or confrontational, just good old fashion information and common sense. I've read a bit about most of the topics ~ it is horrible what people say and do in the name of God!
I don't think we all need to agree on this issue, but I do hope that one day it becomes a difference in opinion rather than ignorant anger.
ClearAsMud:
I like the "straight, not narrow" philosophy.
I, too, accept others for who they are, rather than who they love!
only ZOOMIN here 
edited to add:
fairyblossom: Thanks for sharing! I hope we all find or have found our soul mates, too! How lucky you are! There is a big difference between a wedding and marrying someone ~ sounds like you two are already married, whether you've had a wedding or not!
[ edited by zoomin on Mar 31, 2001 10:22 PM ]
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bobbysoxer
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posted on March 31, 2001 10:20:21 PM new
Yes I hope I am wrong.
You are welcomed for the links.
[ edited by bobbysoxer on Mar 31, 2001 10:22 PM ]
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fairyblossom
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posted on March 31, 2001 10:26:10 PM new
Zoomin-
How right you are! Thanks for your kind words!
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bobbysoxer
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posted on April 1, 2001 12:35:35 AM new
Forgot about this little bittie
"Ex-gay" poster boy visit to a gay bar is just one more in a long series of blows to the "conversion" movement's:
http://www.advocate.com/html/stories/825/825_paulk.asp
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bobbysoxer
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posted on April 1, 2001 01:27:12 AM new
Here is an interesting piece.
http://www.sirenmedia.net/news_2_20000809.htm
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nettak
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posted on April 1, 2001 03:54:46 AM new
{{{{ktsclutter}}}}
ClearAsMud, a big thumbs up for your posts. 
Fairyblossom, thank you for your post, I am very happy that you have found someone to share your life, you are right everyone should have happiness and peace in there lives.
Hi Zoomin, I agree wholeheartedly with your post. I do not think that this is an issue that everyone will agree on. More is the pity. Unfortunately some people will always find fault. I hope that all of our children and grandchildren will grow up to be more tolerant of society and the differences in people.
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krs
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posted on April 1, 2001 04:35:27 AM new
I cannot understand the resistance of the Christian church to homosexuality. It would seem to solve a host of problems if it did instead welcome gayness. The most obvious advantage would be in the reduction of need for abortions, but it would also go far in bringing into the church membership an entire segment of societies around the world which would work to further the pursuits and values of the church and contribute monies to it's cause. Many of those people are instead alienated by church hardline condemnation of them.
It is unfortunate that there are very few followers of Christ. Instead there are many organized and supposedly christian churches that are each operating with it's own odd mix of Christ's teachings and old testament dogma. Didn't Christ himself say that in knowing him it was time to ignore that musky old thing? Yet all of the basis for the casting away of the homosexual segments is found in that old rag.
With modern day awareness and hesitant acceptance of homosexuals in our world today it is not at all difficult to see that all of Chist's disciples and Christ himself were in all likelihood gay. In fact their adoration, professed so often and well, may in fact be expressions of true human love for a man rather than reverence for a diety.
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mivona
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posted on April 1, 2001 07:13:52 AM new
For a "shake your head in disbelief" moment, have a look at this site full of Christian hatred:
http://www.yourgoingtohell.com/
Cheerio!
edited for link not working??
[ edited by mivona on Apr 1, 2001 07:17 AM ]
[ edited by mivona on Apr 1, 2001 07:17 AM ]
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HJW
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posted on April 1, 2001 07:31:40 AM new
Awesome, Minova
I have a little friend in Mississippi that
I would like to read the going to hell site, but I'm afraid that it might frighten her.
Helen
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MartyAW
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posted on April 1, 2001 08:01:31 AM new
Hi mivona,
I'm sorry but I have deleted your post containing the website link for dress-up.
It might offend other posters.
Thanks for your understanding.
Marty
[email protected]
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inside
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posted on April 1, 2001 08:09:42 AM new
I've never seen so much religious bigotry by so many in one place. The hate and contempt for a group of people regardless of denomination or belief is simply astounding. Is this form of intolerance and persecution the hallmark of all atheists or just a fanatical faction?
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ktsclutter
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posted on April 1, 2001 08:38:57 AM new
ClearAsMud - thanks for the concern. I will be fine in the long run. Just have a touch of an anger problem right now. I think that, for me, the trust factor and betrayal is demanding that I review all personal relationships at this point. I think "cautious" would be a good word for it.
KRS - I almost bit at your church query. I must need another cup of coffee...
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HJW
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posted on April 1, 2001 08:44:57 AM new
Marty, We understand.
Helen
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psalms139
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posted on April 1, 2001 08:46:53 AM new
inside THANK YOU!!! I couldn't agree with you more!
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bunnicula
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posted on April 1, 2001 08:53:52 AM new
Now *there's* an interesting take. The things posted & mentioned above are done byChristians....but athiests are accused of bigotry & intolerance for daring to point them out or discuss them. Extraordinary world view!
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HJW
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posted on April 1, 2001 08:54:47 AM new
May the god of our choice have mercy
on our sinful souls.
And may all atheists burn in hell!!!
Helen
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Antiquary
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posted on April 1, 2001 08:58:59 AM new
Minova,
Great site! Illustrates so well the level of most of the extreme religious right. I wish that they could find some positive avenues to attempt to elevate their self-worth.
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HJW
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posted on April 1, 2001 08:59:55 AM new
Bunnicula,
Biblical view, that is
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zoomin
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posted on April 1, 2001 09:32:34 AM new
I think I just don't understand why people as so judgemental.
I was brought up to be open minded ~ the world is so much bigger than our small view of it.
Those of you who are against gay marriage/adoptions, how would you react if your son or daughter told you they were in love with someone of the same sex? Would you reject your child? I can not speak from experience, as far as I know, my family tree is heterosexual. Actually, I think my nephew (21) may be "confused" and I am hoping he knows that he can come to me if he needs to.
My other question is for the more open-minded posters:
Do you feel that some of the confusion in society is due to people who are gay/bi trying to conform to the norms of society?
I, for one, have considered this as I see people in my generation have to literally start their lives over when they accept who they have always been. I am in awe of the youth who realize from an early age that they are "different" (although I think that many of the teens who "believe" they are gay are actually rebellious/confused/hormonal!) Since I have very little basis for my opinions, it is hard at times to find the proper perspective. (BTW, I do not think my nephew is "rebellious" ~ he is incredibly bright, mature and politically active ~ I think he may be in denial, trying to fit into the box that people put him in).
only ZOOMIN here
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