posted on April 1, 2001 09:48:21 AM new
Mivona, I especially liked the fact that the yourgoingtohell people can't even spell their own domain name correctly.
posted on April 1, 2001 10:16:42 AM new
A site on "dress-up" is deleted because "it might offend other posters," but a citation of "godhatesfags" is allowed?
posted on April 1, 2001 10:56:34 AM new
I had a link to the godhateshomophobes spoof site in my post up there ^^, but Pareau is right. The idea that God hates anyone is offensive to me, so I edited it out.
Lisa
"I'm not anti-_________. I just hate _______, _________, and __________. Most ___________I know are NOT like that, but some are. They're the ones that turn people off on ____________ altogether."
Fill in the blanks with whatever you want, it is a negative statement condemning a group of people. Many of whom are people you profess to be friends with online. Of course you really "don't mean them in particular", they would never fit that description, it is the "others" that you hate. Surely they all know that and nothing you say will hurt their feelings.
posted on April 1, 2001 11:20:12 AM new
"I'm not anti-vegetable. I just hate squash, carrots, and corn. Most vegetables I know are NOT like that, but some are. They're the ones that turn people off on vegetables altogether."
posted on April 1, 2001 11:33:45 AM new
I did not condemn groups of people. I said that I hate closemindedness, bigotry, and self-righteousness. I do hate those things. I hate them in my friends, in my family, in strangers, and most particularly in myself.
Lisa
posted on April 1, 2001 11:40:30 AM new
A few years ago I got into trouble with the glbt community powers to be when I "revealed" that even members of the glbt community can be prejudice towards other people in the glbt community and in the non-gay community.
I believe all of us can be misguided, misinformed about other people and issues.
I believe also that we all "pre-judge" in one shape or form.
posted on April 1, 2001 11:44:08 AM new
I'm only uncomfortable with the stereotype that since I am Christian all Christians must believe exactly as I do or else they are atheists or Christian bashers, or going to hell, etc., etc.
Personally I am agnostic, but most of my friends are religious and most of those are Christian. I think that they would be appalled to state their views and then be labelled as atheists or sinners because they don't conform to a narrow pre-determined mindset. In fact, the majority of a number of major demoninations would be entirely disenfranchised.
I hate closemindedness, bigotry, and self-righteousness too.
However I try my best not to assume that any group of people fit such descriptions by simple virture of their belonging to the same political party, race, religion, or sexual orientation.
posted on April 1, 2001 12:02:43 PM new
Antiquary,
But is that not the point. Just because a small minority of people who claim to be Christians act like that, are all Christians to be labelled as such? Is an entire religion to be continously bashed because of a few?
You said, "I think that they would be appalled to state their views and then be labelled as atheists or sinners because they don't conform to a narrow pre-determined mindset." Do you think that they are any less appalled to be labelled "closeminded, self-rightous, bigots" simply because there are a few narrow minded people who claim to share the same religion?
posted on April 1, 2001 12:10:37 PM new
A few years ago I would find myself with Christians and there would be negative "comments" made about glbt persons.
I would turn around to find myself with glbt community members at conventions, political think tanks and so on that would make negative "comments" about Christians and Republicans.
Finally in one group, I had to come out of the closet to the glbt persons as a Christian.
At one convention, speakers after speakers bashed Republicans. Me being a Democrat but will and have voted Republican, was not comfortable with the speeches. I kept looking at a Republican who I knew was pro-gay -all the way- and the person were squirming in their chair, appearing to be uncomforable -more so than me.
During the first break on the "suggestion board" there was a note not to {paraphrasing} bash Republicans.
posted on April 1, 2001 12:12:21 PM new
Did I not say that most people in any particular group are NOT like that? It is often the most extreme members of a group that come to epitomize a group to those outside looking in, which is certainly unfortunate to the group as a whole. For example, most parents at little league games are good parents that are supportive of both teams, because they recognize the game for what it is. But those few 'bad apples' who pick fights and scream obscenities tend to make little league as a whole look bad. Unfair, yes, but the most visible members of a group are unfortunately not always the ones the group would choose to represent itself.
My family members are Christians, but they don't seem judgmental (to me) to those who are not. In my opinion, that is a better example than those who condemn...but that's just my opinion.
Now I feel guilty for being judgmental of those who are judgmental...so I guess I need a break for a bit.
Lisa
[ edited by jtland on Apr 1, 2001 12:20 PM ]
I think religion or specifically speaking Christianity is used to control people.
I think down deep the majority of Christians believe in equal rights for glbt community members, but are afraid to go against their respective church constitutions.
Remember the "silent majority?" With others I think that they were actually the "silent minority."
Yes not all Christians, not all members of the glbt community (and the non-gay community), not all Republicans and any given group, are closed minded. bigots -etc. Human beings that we are, we do have our pre-judgements.
posted on April 1, 2001 12:32:28 PM new
Speaking of religion and non-religion!
Received this email from a friend.
April Fools Day joke
"[i]Important information for all of us AND our children... CBS will be forced to discontinue "Touched by an Angel" for using the word God in every program. Madeline Murray O'Hare, an atheist, successfully managed to eliminate the use of Bible reading from public schools a few years ago.
Now her organization has been granted a Federal Hearing on the same subject by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) in Washington D.C. Their petition, Number 2493, would ultimately pave the way to stop the reading of the gospel of our Lord and Savior, on the airwaves of America.
They got 287,000 signatures to back their stand! If this attempt is successful, all Sunday worship services being broadcast on the radio or by television will be stopped. This group is also campaigning to remove all Christmas programs and Christmas carols from public schools. You as a Christian can help! We are praying for at least one million signatures. This would defeat their effort and show that there are many Christians alive and well and concerned about our country. As Christians, or even just concerned parents, we must unite on this.
Please don't take this lightly. We ignored this woman once and lost prayer in our school and in offices across the nation. Please stand up for religious freedom and let your voice be heard. Together we can make a difference in our country while creating an opportunity for the lost to know the Lord. Please press "forward" and only delete out what is not needed, and forward this to everyone on your list.
Now, please sign your name at the bottom. Don't delete anything, just go to the next number and type your name. Please do not sign jointly, such as Mr.& Mrs.....Each person should sign his/her own name. Please e-mail this to everyone you know, and help us defeat this organization and keep the right of our freedom of religion. When you click to forward the list then you are able to add your name and number![/i]"
After reaching a 1000 "signatures" the email is to be emailed to a lady -I withheld her info.
What interesting that about a month ago at a Catholic church (they have prayers don't they) there was a shooting. As if!
There a lot that goes on at the schools with prayers just like at the non-prayers schools.
posted on April 1, 2001 02:22:22 PM new
I am sorry if my "Jesus Dress Up" website offended anyone. Personally, I think the "Your(sic) Going to Hell" website is much more offensive.
But then, I found the posting of a "Partial Birth" website to quite offensive too. But I suppose moderators have to stay on the right side of the line, and make sure all the posts are politically correct, as far as they can.
As for the http:\\www.yourgoingtohell.com website, I find that the epitome of the narrow-minded and hateful beliefs that supposed "Christians" espouse. The fact that such hatred is allowed to go relatively unchallenged by mainstream Christians makes me quite wary on the whole. If such "Christians" were promoting racial hatred, you would think that religious leaders, far and wide, would condemn their behaviour. But, because it is against perceived "sinners" - homosexuals, those of alternative beliefs, other religions, etc - it seems to be "ok". Yes, it is "free speech" - but that doesn't mean it should go unchallenged.
It that is who heaven is going to be full of, they can have it.
posted on April 1, 2001 02:42:47 PM newThe fact that such hatred is allowed to go relatively unchallenged by mainstream __________ makes me quite wary on the whole. If such "_________" were promoting racial hatred, you would think that religious leaders, far and wide, would condemn their behaviour. But, because it is against perceived "sinners" - homosexuals, those of alternative beliefs, other religions, etc - it seems to be "ok".
Fill in the blank and you get any and all religions who think theirs is the "real" one. (To borrow the idea from inside)
posted on April 1, 2001 03:27:10 PM new
I don't think so, Hepburn. Those who profess to be religious, and who are full of such hatred, are anything but spiritual, moral beings.
The point I am trying to make is that "real Christians" should be standing up and being counted against those who profess to be "Christians" and who promote such hatred in their cause. It is sickening, immoral and anything but "Christian".
posted on April 1, 2001 03:33:31 PM new
But what exactly IS a "real christian"? Ones who turn the other cheek? Those who stick with the word as they see it? There was only one perfect being. Only one.
Yes, there should be an outcry for all things bad for all humanity. And there has been and there will continue to be.
posted on April 1, 2001 03:47:20 PM new
I don't know what a "real Christian" is... but I am sure it includes following the tenets of forgiveness, and not judging lest ye be judged, and loving others.
I am sure that if Jesus returned next Easter, and found himself among those who support websites such as godhatesfags.com and yourgoingtohell.com, he not only would be appalled - he would probably be attacked as not being "Christian" enough...
I am more than happy to be judged by God for my life, and don't need any earthly judgement by a bunch of amateurs.
posted on April 1, 2001 03:58:30 PM new
Hello Everyone,
This thread has really got far far astray and I'm going to lock it up. If any of you feel strongly that a thread about same sex marriages should be restarted, I would have no objection.
