stusi
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posted on April 2, 2001 09:10:59 AM new
Crock of Rages-perhaps. so many wars in the name of the Lord?!!!! Stockticker- i feel a lot better knowing that you are not selectively anti-semitic, but rather anti- hypocrisy which indeed is evidenced by most if not all religions(see above).
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stockticker
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posted on April 2, 2001 09:14:52 AM new
Ummm, thanks(I think), Stusi.
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stockticker
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posted on April 2, 2001 09:20:29 AM new
Stusi: I am scratching my head over how you managed to translate my position (stated repeatedly on a number of threads) that France had the right to ban Nazi memorabiliia as being an anti-semetic position.... I need another cup of coffie.
Irene
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krs
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posted on April 2, 2001 09:27:59 AM new
I know that you're doing that on purpose, Irene.
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jamesoblivion
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posted on April 2, 2001 09:28:32 AM new
An antisemite behind every tree. Sheesh.
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krs
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posted on April 2, 2001 09:31:25 AM new
"now more and more"
Later less and less?
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jamesoblivion
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posted on April 2, 2001 09:32:38 AM new
Who are you quoting?
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krs
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posted on April 2, 2001 09:33:19 AM new
read
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jamesoblivion
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posted on April 2, 2001 09:34:58 AM new
Oh. Once the page turns out of sight out of mind.
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codasaurus
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posted on April 2, 2001 09:39:05 AM new
Helen,
I believe that song is actually John Lennon's and not the Beatles. 
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krs
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posted on April 2, 2001 09:50:04 AM new
No fire here and I've got to go spend a large sum.
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stusi
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posted on April 2, 2001 10:35:53 AM new
stockticker- although it is possible for one to support banning of Nazi memorabilia and still be anti-semitic, i did not see your posts in that regard. perhaps it was before i got here. there were, however, several times when i was engaged in heated discussions with networker that you clearly took a position that objected to my calling him anti-semitic. i really do not want to rehash it now, but there was no hypocrisy on my part but clearly on his with regard to Jesse Jackson's well known statements in this area. p.s.- there are many times when i question my own beliefs but i do not tolerate anti-semitism.
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krs
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posted on April 2, 2001 10:49:28 AM new
So according to you, Stusi, religion is a thing of the past. Do you really believe..that, or do you only focus on whether semitism is a thing of the past, which it clearly is but it may not be forever more or less.
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AnnaKY
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posted on April 2, 2001 10:55:06 AM new
Most people anywhere at any time in human history has found it necessary to believe in something more significant than themselves. Why is this so?
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stockticker
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posted on April 2, 2001 10:56:20 AM new
Stusi: I think you have me confused with someone else. Before I started reading the Networker threads, I had only heard the name Jesse Jackson. I knew that he was some sort of black leader and had the word "Rev." in front of his name. That's all I knew. I had no opinion about him. I don't pay much attention to American politics (heck I wadded through the first Bush thread here in the Round Table last October simply because I was curious to know if GW Bush was related to the former American president.)
Irene
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kraftdinner
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posted on April 2, 2001 11:03:54 AM new
While I know that certain religions have very strict codes that their followers must adhere to to be "a memeber", I often think about those of us who are spiritual, but don't agree with some of the teachings of the Bible (for instance).
I agree that most faiths have similar teachings, which bind us all together, but don't you think that it's becoming more of an individual thing (like it should be, I think)?
O/R, to me, takes away our individual relationship with God, or a higher power. Kind of like the Imagine song.......if we did imagine all these things, there would be nothing to discuss because everyone agreed with everyone else. After awhile it would get boring. I think we were made to have conflicts. I've learned everything I know today by making mistakes. I've learned nothing from the good times - only that they were good times.
I LOVE other people's opinions, so if everybody had their own, instead of "following-the-leader", I think we would all benifit.
I think there's more power in standing alone in your beliefs than having a group of people that back you up in something that you only partially agree with.
People have always thought that if our civilization was left on its own with no organization, everyone would kill each other. I think the opposite is true. 
Terry
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Linda_K
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posted on April 2, 2001 11:05:00 AM new
"Is organized religion a thing of the past?" At least in this country, I could only hope so."
Well it's alive and well in the South.
Our town with a population of approx. 10,000 and county of approx. 30,000 supports 111 churches. They're all thriving.
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kraftdinner
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posted on April 2, 2001 11:26:30 AM new
Irene 
That's a great question annaKY!! I think it's because we are born with the knowledge that we are part of something, and religion gives us hope that our lives will be eternal. What do you think?
Terry
P.S. I forgot to address the animal issue....I sure hope my opinions don't "scare" anybody, but I really do think animals, insects, worms, etc....are just as important as we are, no more no less. Why would that scare anyone?
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KatyD
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posted on April 2, 2001 11:33:50 AM new
Because some of us eat them.
KatyD
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kraftdinner
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posted on April 2, 2001 11:38:22 AM new
KatyD.....have you been spying on me??? How did you know I was eating worms?
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Zazzie
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posted on April 2, 2001 11:38:44 AM new
Linda K---if you took an anonymous survey of the 10,000 residents of your town and asked them why they attend one of the 111 churches---you may find that the answers range from faith and belief, social activity and sense of community, and nothing much else to do, all the way to ---- it would be bad for business not to, and the neighbours would think badly of our family if we didn't.
edited cause it was 111 not 11
[ edited by Zazzie on Apr 2, 2001 12:42 PM ]
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Linda_K
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posted on April 2, 2001 11:53:00 AM new
Hi Zazzie - I don't know...you might be right. We're still learning (and enjoying) about how small town America operates. We have 111 churches in our county..not 11, just in case you thought I'd made a typo. Anyway, the families here seem to use their churches not just for religious services once or twice a week, but their lives revolve around them. Most social activities around their churches. When we're out, no matter where, we always hear someone referring to something related to their church. I also think part of it is 'it's always been this way' kind of thing.
One thing we have noticed is that in our local newspaper, each month there is a suppliment about local business men and women. Who they work for, their positions, etc. and it always lists the specific church they go to.
[ edited by Linda_K on Apr 2, 2001 11:57 AM ]
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stusi
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posted on April 2, 2001 11:57:10 AM new
stockticker- your responses both on the RT and the MC were quite clearly issue related. prior knowledge of Jackson was not necessary as his statements were quoted and referenced precisely. i stated that it was not possible to be a Jackson supporter without being anti-semitic. networker said it was and you denounced my calling him on it. with all due respect i think you have a short memory. krs- i do not see where anything i have said here would cause you to say that i think religion is a thing of the past. nor do i think that anti-semitism is. are you sure you read my post(s) correctly? saying that most religions have some hypocrisy in light of killing and warring is not the same thing. if you are being clearly persecuted that is one thing, but taking the initiative to spread your beliefs by conquering others is not a particularly brotherly thing to do!
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stockticker
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posted on April 2, 2001 12:05:01 PM new
Stusi:
I have tried to be patient, but enough is enough.
Stockticker is my eBay name. You have attacked both my business and my personal reputation by calling me anti-Semitic.
I have edited out no posts here on AW.
Back up your accusations with proof or apologize.
Irene
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krs
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posted on April 2, 2001 12:09:52 PM new
Not to mention absent-minded.
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stockticker
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posted on April 2, 2001 12:12:33 PM new
Absent-minded is a kind way of putting it, Ken. I first interacted with Stusi on the first French Court decision thread on the eBay Outlook.
Irene
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stusi
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posted on April 2, 2001 12:24:59 PM new
i think some clarification of "organized" is necessary. if it is taken to mean established, well-known and currently participated in by large numbers of people that is one thing. but how many constitute an organization? 100, 1000, 10,000? and couldn't the "mainstream" religions still exist as is with "new" religions starting up but drawing followers from the previously unaffiliated?
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stusi
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posted on April 2, 2001 12:39:18 PM new
stockticker-if someone chooses to use their ebay name here and is then perceived to be under attack on AW on a non-business matter that is their problem and obviously no reflection on their business professionalism. i did print out some of the posts and i will try to find them, but i notice that you are not denying the networker-related posts that you made now that i have refreshed your memory. p.s.- saying that someone is anti-semitic(but you may actually be an equal opportunity offender) is saying that you are perceived to be attacking them(directly or indirectly). it is not the same as saying that your beliefs as an atheist are wrong, sick, offensive or otherwise bad. krs-instead of instigating why don't you respond to my previous problem regarding stockticker which i think you remember, and to my questioning your comment to me a short time ago?
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jamesoblivion
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posted on April 2, 2001 12:44:15 PM new
Stusi, you ought to chill out just a little bit. Considering that you consider quoting from the Torah to be antisemtic perhaps you're not the best judge.
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krs
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posted on April 2, 2001 12:52:41 PM new
I'm sure that a fine case of anti-semitism could be brought against someone quoting the King James version.
Stusi, I did respond previously nonsense for nonsense, but so far you have not uttered sufficient additional nonsense for me to feel that any response is warranted. Please do continue undeterred, and when you have attained a level of nonsense commiserate my own I will give you the response you request at that time more or less forever or maybe just for a day as time goes by hoagy, OK?
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