Linda_K
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posted on April 2, 2001 01:20:03 PM new
Thanks for the facts, Powerhouse - From your taiwan arm sales URL:
"The Taiwan issue has bedevilled the Sino-U.S. relations since Richard Nixon re-established diplomatic ties with Beijing in 1972.
In 1996, the two countries came closer to war than any time since 1950s, when the U.S. sent aircraft carriers to the Taiwan Strait after China fired missiles off the Taiwan coast"
Our son was stationed in Japan in 1996 when this crisis was going on. It *did* come very close to war at that time.
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krs
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posted on April 2, 2001 01:26:18 PM new
Nicely averted by fine diplomacy. But Dumbya isn't capable of such as that, nor does it seem that he has any desire to avert a conflict. Rather, he seems to be spoiling for a fight, anywhere, so that his presidency won't go without what he perceives to be glory.
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Linda_K
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posted on April 2, 2001 01:44:44 PM new
Nicely averted by fine diplomacy? Sure.....or maybe it was because of the millions of dollars China had contributed to the Democratic National Party funds. Always helps to have a paid-for 'friend' in the White House.
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Powerhouse
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posted on April 2, 2001 01:47:39 PM new
Oh, right!
The only glory seeker I see is someone so bitter at the loss of their chosen president that they will say the stupidest things and hope that others will rally around and consider them to be perceived as some great prophet.
Someone's seen 'Wag The Dog' too many times.
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kcpick4u
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posted on April 2, 2001 03:02:21 PM new
Why no mention of China selling technology to Irag, in addition, China has been helping Iraq convert the communications and radar installations to fiber optic transmission to improve Iraq's defense system . So in the event of direct hit on installation site from
Allied bombing the whole system is not effected. Not that I am even vaguely a proponent of Mr B's or his international diplomacy tactics or gross lack of, depending on how you view all this crap! To many economic ramifications for both governments at stake, to risk military engagement over such a trivial event.
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Powerhouse
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posted on April 2, 2001 03:14:54 PM new
Don't forget North Korea! China is a big supplier for them as well.
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krs
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posted on April 2, 2001 03:20:50 PM new
Powerhouse, who's your "someone"? I think everyone knows where you get that wimpy habit.
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Powerhouse
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posted on April 2, 2001 03:37:15 PM new
A real intelligent response.
Speaking for 'everyone' are we now?
1 incident constitues a 'habit'?
Baiting really should be beneath you.
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spazmodeus
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posted on April 2, 2001 03:37:51 PM new
Maybe I've seen too many episodes of Star Trek, but shouldn't the crew have self-destructed the plane before letting it fall into the hands of the Klingons? This is being described as an "intelligence disaster" (try to resist the obvious Bush jokes here).
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krs
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posted on April 2, 2001 03:45:24 PM new
Excuse me, powerhouse (sic), but are you addressing me? You don't say, but you don't seem to be addressing the topic.
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Powerhouse
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posted on April 2, 2001 03:46:25 PM new
Please address the post, not the poster.
Dem's de rules, ya know. 
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Powerhouse
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posted on April 2, 2001 03:50:35 PM new
That probably would have been a better option for the US/China relations but maybe this aircraft doesn't have facilities for 24 crewmen to evacuate in midair? Don't know.
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spazmodeus
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posted on April 2, 2001 03:53:14 PM new
Who said anything about evacuating?
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Powerhouse
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posted on April 2, 2001 03:57:26 PM new
I know, I was the first to suggest it. Just following up with another line of thought.
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Linda_K
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posted on April 2, 2001 03:58:21 PM new
spaz - Think it was your term self-destruct. Or maybe them blowing themselves up is what you meant?
edited cause you spell better than I do.
[ edited by Linda_K on Apr 2, 2001 04:00 PM ]
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HJW
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posted on April 2, 2001 03:59:20 PM new
Powerhouse,
Who are you referring to as "someone"
Helen
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Powerhouse
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posted on April 2, 2001 03:59:56 PM new
This analysis adds another dimension to a complicated picture:
Sasser said there was probably a "tug of war" between the Chinese Foreign Ministry, "which wants to cooperate," and the military, "which is dragging its feet."
http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/asiapcf/east/04/02/china.aircollision.07/index.html?s=2
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spazmodeus
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posted on April 2, 2001 04:00:36 PM new
Yes, Linda, that's what I meant. Blow themselves up.
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HJW
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posted on April 2, 2001 04:02:24 PM new
She will believe it, Spaz
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Powerhouse
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posted on April 2, 2001 04:03:59 PM new
some·one
pron.
An unspecified or unknown person; somebody.
n. Informal
A somebody.
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HJW
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posted on April 2, 2001 04:06:21 PM new
a cowardly definition
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Powerhouse
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posted on April 2, 2001 04:09:50 PM new
No, it's on the web. Try www.dictionary.com.
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HJW
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posted on April 2, 2001 04:10:56 PM new
Not what I would expect form a powerful
fellow.
Helen
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krs
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posted on April 2, 2001 04:11:46 PM new
Of course blow themselves up to keep the gear from falling into enemy hands. It's their duty.
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toke
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posted on April 2, 2001 04:14:15 PM new
Who is they?
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krs
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posted on April 2, 2001 04:17:36 PM new
Is it foggy in New England Toke? The crew of the EP-3 of course. Their sacrifice would have been a wonderful thing bringing them the full gratitude of all mericans that they gave their lives so heroically for the great good of the nation, the commander in thief, and the everlasting glory of God Almighty!
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toke
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posted on April 2, 2001 04:24:27 PM new
'mericans? commander in thief?
Poorest baby. Have you become captive of the sad remnants of your entourage?
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Powerhouse
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posted on April 2, 2001 04:26:01 PM new
I am sure they had emergency destruct procedures. Just hope they were able to carry them out.
[ edited by Powerhouse on Apr 2, 2001 04:26 PM ]
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spazmodeus
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posted on April 2, 2001 04:34:14 PM new
Their sacrifice would have been a wonderful thing bringing them the full gratitude of all mericans that they gave their lives so heroically for the great good of the nation, the commander in thief, and the everlasting glory of God Almighty!
I agree that when lives are lost ideals like patriotism, love of God and country, etc. sound pretty hollow. But isn't that what they signed up for? They were on a spy plane. Doesn't the risk go with the job?
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krs
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posted on April 2, 2001 04:38:07 PM new
If I have an entourage, Toke, it is you.
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