posted on May 20, 2001 02:54:00 PM newBorillarAs soon as Bush allows the automobile industry to release them onto the market here, I am going to be the first to own one!
Golf carts are great, but they still haven't developed them to the point many people would replace their gas combustion car for one yet. Europeans have much more incentive to develop electric cars and no Bush to stop them... maybe you'll be able to get one of the imports.
posted on May 20, 2001 04:55:53 PM new"OK. First, I do not own an electric car. As soon as Bush allows the automobile industry to release them onto the market here, I am going to be the first to own one! I understand that some sort of government red tape is holding up main distribution of these vehicles."-borillar
Let me get this right. Electric cars have been around for years, but somehow in his few months as President, Bush is the one blocking their mass distribution.
posted on May 20, 2001 05:13:53 PM new"Golf carts are great, but they still haven't developed them to the point many people would replace their gas combustion car for one yet"
Oh sure they have, and not golf carts--full sized vehicles, even small delivery trucks are in use today. There are several cars on the market right now. The postal servie has been operating electrically powered delivery vehicles in several configurations sine 1976.
They currently operate the largest fleet of such vehicles in the world.
Unfortunately oil companies have busily bought up patents for electrical storage devices for years, since WW2 in fact. Consequently the prices of new developments are kept high to prevent any generalized switchover from petroleum fuels.
Borillar is quite right about alternative fuel possibilities, and there are hundreds of homes right now which are completely independent of fossil fuel for heat and electricity. Again, the prices are high-more than would be convenient for general adoption, and oil companies lobby hard with outlays of millions, if not billions of dollars to restrict the free development of such non oil sourcing.
I ran a Volkswagon camper completely on methane gas which was produced through composting on a small piece of ground (460 acres) in Sonoma, CA, ran it until I sold it to one of the residents there. That entire place was powered through alternative means devised by the residents, all of whom were faculty members at the Sonoma State College.
Oddly, to say that these things can't be done is like saying that clothes can't be efficiently dried on a clothesline.
"Had it not been for deliberate,powerful obstruction, the solar sources of energy could have been shown long ago to be the best, immediately profitable energy option for most of the U.S., for most people on earth, by functioning installations."
posted on May 20, 2001 05:51:27 PM new
Now, KRS, you know as well as I do that conservative minds (oxymoron) do not want to read the facts and the truth because it destroys their incrediably stupid and unrealistic world view. I'm glad that AW RT members are not that way and will applaud you as I am doing >>CLAP!<< >>CLAP!<< for taking your own time to come up with links that they should have investigated for themselves long, long ago. I'm shocked and amazed that anyone living in this day and age isn't aware of all of the huge leaps in science since the industrial revolution of the cira 1850's. I recall in elemetary school where we learned all about solar power, methane composting, fuel-cells, and so on. Guess it was more of a science education back in the 1960's than later years.
Yes, L.A. Transit system has had several buses using Hydrogen Fuel Cells for years now to prove that such things can be applied to all vehicles. I had one gentleman show me his old small sedan that he adapted home-made from desiel fuel to straight electrical. He opened the hood and there were four car batteries and a 48 volt motor sitting on the crank shaft where the engine should be. He showed me how much torque it had: he tore ouot of the parking lot and burned rubber for a half-block! Batteries and high-performance electrical motors have come a long way since.
Yet, I'm glad to see some folks are indeed brave enough to post contrary threads and are willing to try to defnd them -- thank you jlpiece for bringing this thread "out of the closet" so to speak.
posted on May 20, 2001 05:53:49 PM newUnfortunately oil companies have busily bought up patents for electrical storage devices for years, since WW2 in fact
I forgot all about the 'grassy knoll' conspiracy theory on why electric cars have been kept from succeeding in the market.
posted on May 20, 2001 06:25:05 PM new
I have a Bay Gen radio, that I crank and it plays-AM-FM AND SW!
eBay is Incorporated out ofDeleware. It filed a Delaware Corporation, it does not pay Deleware state taxes Deleware doesn't have state taxes the company pays taxes where it does business out of, and that is CA. That is why there are most Deleware Corporations.
posted on May 20, 2001 06:58:01 PM newnearthesea thanks for pointing out the obvious to those who can't see such things. Ask krs again, though, and he'll still say eBay is in Delaware. Such is the liberal mind set often times. Ignore the obvious and hang on with every dying breath to what you want to believe.
As far as alternative energy sources go, I haven't heard ANYBODY say such things were bad, or shouldn't be developed. Quite the opposite. It's just that if you think gas is expensive, wait until you see how expensive it is to implement the alternative. In the long run, I'm sure it would be great, but the here and now is the reality, and I can't run my car off daisies and grass clippings.
posted on May 20, 2001 07:04:35 PM new
krs, your probably reading your stock certificate that would say Deleware.
But if they are a legitimate business, and I certainly hope they are eBay pays taxes out of where they run their business from, and that is their main offices in CA.
And they call them 'Deleware Corporations'
Well, I would hope for better energy alternatives too, but for the here and now, I doubt everyone in America is going to leave their car in the garage tommorow.
I'm still waiting for an answer. Substantiate your claim that A.D.D. runs "rampant on these boards." You were glib enough to say such a thing, why so tight-lipped when I challenge you to back it up?
posted on May 20, 2001 07:27:03 PM new
I thought perhaps some of the comments on these boards speak for themselves. If you know anything of these such ailments, you'll recognize them no matter where you see them.
posted on May 20, 2001 07:31:21 PM new
Darn it, I can't run my car off daisies and grass clippings either . Now when someone invents that one...
One thing peculiar and disgusting around this topic is G. W. Bush's eagerness to kiss oil companies' a$$. One of his first and (and still pushed) reactions to the Calif. electricity crunch was to prescribe oil drilling in arctic wilderness. The assosciation of these two issues requires blatant dishonesty.
posted on May 20, 2001 07:38:11 PM new
Yup! Figmente. Bush's energy plan is so incredibly transparent that you would think anyone would be able to see through to the special and self interests behind the recommendations and modifications to previously prudent policy. Mindboggling really.
posted on May 20, 2001 07:45:09 PM new
As I suspected, you can't back it up. Your comment was just another lame insult to the membership, and at the expense of people who really do struggle with A.D.D.
posted on May 20, 2001 07:47:52 PM new
jlpiece, though I may agree with some of the things you say... implying someone has ADD or whatever is you are saying, is not too cool.
Just post what you want to say, no need for the name calling.
Hey Helen!
I sure hope it was WOW on my crank up radio
LOL!!!
posted on May 20, 2001 11:55:23 PM new"Bush's energy plan is so incredibly transparent"-antiquary
Not quite as transparent as the invisible plan that Clinton had for 8 years that got us into this situation.
On another note, I was not mocking anyone that struggles with ADD, nor was I name calling any AW membership. All I was doing was pointing out that some of the posters on these boards suffer from ADD as well as short attention spans. If those members that have confided such difficulties to me, choose not to publically out themselves, I won't do it for them. But no need for anyone to be so defensive. It's a very real problem, that very seriously affects some of the posters on these boards.
posted on May 21, 2001 12:24:06 AM new[i]On another note, I was not mocking anyone that struggles with ADD, nor was I name calling any AW membership. All I was doing was pointing out that some of the posters on these boards suffer from ADD as well as short attention spans. If those members that have confided such difficulties to me, choose not to publically out themselves, I won't do it for them. But no need for anyone to be so defensive. It's a very real problem, that very seriously affects some of the posters on these boards.[/i
Now, jlpiece, that is a bold faced lie.
In the following sequence of your posts, brought from before your convenient edits, you are clearly making the insulting and erroneous statement that I am the poster who you believe suffers the syndrome you refer to so frequently.
Look at it yourself,
jlpieceposted on May 19, 2001 11:17:19 AM
"Ebay is in Delaware. It doesn't matter where they operate. IIt matters where they pay their taxes. Same as you and me."-krs
Wrong again, we pay our taxes in the state we are operating in and living in. Corporations don't have to.
Simple enough?
When spazmodeus raised the question of your bolding portions of posts addressed to me, you said:
jlpiece posted on May 19, 2001 04:15:22 PM
spaz, the bold face is for those with short attention spans and A.D.D. - both of which run rampant on these boards.
And when I soon after again posted:
krs posted on May 19, 2001 05:24:55 PM edit
ebay is in delaware.
You then said:
jlpiece posted on May 19, 2001 06:59:01 PM
I rest my case.
Very obviously referring to my post at 05:24:55 PM when stating that you rest your case as defined in response to spazmodeus
Since I am certainly not one of "those members that have confided such difficulties to me", and since you obviously referred to me, spazmodeus is quite correct in saying that you have posted insulting remarks about the membership, about me personally, and about any and all sufferers of A.D.D.
posted on May 21, 2001 12:39:21 AM new
Hi, JLPiece. Antiquary and KRS keep pointing me at you. So you're KRS' new project? Cool.
Want a tip from a guy who's seen it here for two years? Right and wrong aren't the issue. The issue is whether they can draw you over the line, and whether they can convince the moderator of such.
He agrees with you. He just gets his kicks by busting your chops. Have fun.
. Now when someone invents that one...