tinkerismyname
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posted on June 10, 2001 11:36:24 AM new
Shalom, Helen-
Peace-Phil.4:6,7. Know Jesus, know peace. No Jesus, no peace.
Have a great day![]blue bounce[/]
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jt-2007
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posted on June 10, 2001 11:38:21 AM new
doesn't do G-d but God.
Now I am curious about the differences in Judaism.
T
[ edited by jt on Jun 10, 2001 11:39 AM ]
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tinkerismyname
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posted on June 10, 2001 11:38:42 AM new
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kraftdinner
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posted on June 10, 2001 11:47:14 AM new
You make a really good point hepburn:
"Most people go with the faith they were raised with, until later on. Then they follow whatever "tickles their ear". My ear is waiting to be tickled."
This is what I see religion becoming.... something you "pick out". Why do our personal beliefs have to be catagorized? Shouldn't there just be 2 ways of thinking...you either believe in a higher power or you don't?
What's the name of the religion called where you can have your own beliefs and your own interpretation of what you think God and life are? I don't want to be called this or that or believe in "this way" before I can go to church, talk about religion, or be called a spiritual person.
P.S. Good subject Terri.
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hepburn
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posted on June 10, 2001 11:56:02 AM new
Bobbi, dont duck for cover. Im interested in the aspects of Wiccan, too. Is it wicca, or wiccAN? Anyway, from my understanding, Wiccans, worship earth, nature. Someone once asked me if I was wiccan, because I tend gardens well, and am gentle with all living things, even trees and plants. I cant say I know alot about it at all, but I liken Wiccan to what the American Indians were like..Mother Earth, Grandmother Moon, etc. What I DO know is wiccan is NOT satan worship.
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hepburn
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posted on June 10, 2001 11:59:57 AM new
Hi Shosh!
I dont think I am any particular "sect". I believe in a higher power, because I was raised that way (God, Jesus). But I also have never prayed to Jesus himself. I always said "why go to the indian when I need to address the Chief" (God). I cannot see them as one. I see them as two individual "spirits". I also "see" one very different from the other. Cant explain it, nor want to delve further into it at this time. I also think I combine that belief into many others. Similar to Wiccans. So I guess you could say I am going with "what tickles my ear".
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bobbi355
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posted on June 10, 2001 12:05:08 PM new
http://members.aol.com/witch4ever/wicca.html
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gravid
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posted on June 10, 2001 12:10:24 PM new
Religions that look at forces of nature and the Earth as a composite and the various animals and divisions of matter like the wind and the sea are usually lumped together under Anamism or "primitive religions" which has a rather condecending sound to it. That seems to mean the religion of peoples who don't use technology and build empires.
Of course people who practise these religions would be as upset to be viewed as equivilant to each other as would a Catholic and a Baptist and a Jehovah's Witness being called equal because they have some idenical doctrines and scriptures. The differences of detail are far more important to the believer than the similarities.
Most of the European forms of these religions just don't have a large following anymore. Sometimes the remnants are still followed alongside the current Christian form either as a banned practice or in an uneasy truce.
My Grndmother was a Pennsylvania Dutch Pow-wow Lady and the churchs were not real pleased with their continued existance but could not get people to drop the practices.
Polytheistic religions like the Indian religions and the Roman religion would also be upset to be lumped together. Just because they have more than one god does not mean they are the same gods with the same qualities at all.
[ edited by gravid on Jun 10, 2001 12:15 PM ]
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tinkerismyname
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posted on June 10, 2001 12:11:21 PM new
Linda K-
I am interested in the thread concerning the Mormon beliefs. Please point me in the right direction. Sorry to hear about the experience with the SBC. Remember the Osmonds, "One bad apple ..."
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hepburn
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posted on June 10, 2001 12:12:40 PM new
Gravid, I said I liken Wiccan to American Indian religions. I didnt say it was a fact. You know, IMHO.
[ edited by hepburn on Jun 10, 2001 12:13 PM ]
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chococake
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posted on June 10, 2001 12:43:18 PM new
Terri - you have gotten into trouble here before with your religious threads. I hope it doesn't happen again.
I'm sorry but I don't believe "you" can help save anyone. You say you don't like to preach, but it always ends up appearing that way. I enjoy your posts when they have nothing to do with your religion.
I feel at one with nature and animals. I don't care how we got here, or who or what created us. I don't know what happens when we die, and neither does anyone else for sure.
I would also like to know more about Wiccan.
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Linda_K
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posted on June 10, 2001 12:51:18 PM new
Sure tinkerismyname - It's:
http://www.auctionwatch.com/mesg/read.html?num=28thread=91004&id=91004
The thread title was: Bigamy In Utah.
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Linda_K
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posted on June 10, 2001 12:56:07 PM new
tinkerismyname - Well, I just tried the URL I posted and AWs front page came up. I think they purge these threads every so often.
BUT....if you go to the bottom of this threads page...look for and click on 'site search'. Then on that page type in Bigamy in Utah or just the word Mormons the thread will come up for you. BE SURE you click on the box for message center too. That should work.
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Antiquary
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posted on June 10, 2001 12:57:33 PM new
Helen,
Clarification: no, my statement was not directed to you nor anything that you said; it merely happened to come after your last statement. Insofar as I know, you have never professed a religious belief on the boards, therefore, you would automatically be exempt from the possibility of blasphemy in the context in which I expressed it.
Interesting discussion. Carry on.
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jt-2007
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posted on June 10, 2001 01:15:47 PM new
kraftdinner
Shouldn't there just be 2 ways of thinking...you either believe in a higher power or you don't?
There is a need for a Savior. Even the demons and the antichrist acknowledge God's existance.
hepburn
But I also have never prayed to Jesus himself.
Jesus gave an example as to how to pray. It begins "Our Father who art in Heaven, hallowed by Thy name".
Christianity is based on the Trinity or Triunity, God the Father/Son/Holy Spirit.
Christ was FULLY God, and was FULLY man, He was involved in the creation of the world and sits at the right hand of the Father. It is difficult to grasp at first but heaven and God exist outside of our 3 dimensional world. A very good speaker on this subject that is both Biblically and scientifically based is Chuck Missler. The title that I have in mind is called "The Creator Beyond Time and Space". There is a similar one that I THINK is titled "We are software" but it may be included in the two part series above. Would you like me to find it for you?
Choco
I'm sorry but I don't believe "you" can help save anyone
You are correct Choco. Salvation comes only through Jesus Christ and I can save NO ONE, not even myself.
T
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jt-2007
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posted on June 10, 2001 01:37:14 PM new
gravid, very good explainations.
T
Chuck Missler, Creator Beyond Time and Space, can be found here:
http://firefighters.org/html/library.cfm
Use the pull down tab to locate him by name then scroll near the bottom of his list. It is audio. Put on you thinking cap!
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toke
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posted on June 10, 2001 01:45:07 PM new
Oh, boy. To make a didactic statement such as your "salvation comes only through Jesus Christ" on a board as diverse in viewpoints as this one, is hardly the way to the "peaceful theological discussion" you said you had in mind, Terri. Maybe a small IMHO would be in order...
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jt-2007
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posted on June 10, 2001 01:59:36 PM new
Toke, I think everybody pretty much knows that that my views expressed are that of my understanding of Christianity as revealed in the NT. That statment would not be MY opinion but what is taught by Christ in the NT. I can't take credit for the teaching of Christ (i.e. God incarnate) and then claim that it is my opinion. That would be blaphmous.
Agreeing with NT teaching is not required.
T
Peace toke. I hope you understand that I am not being callous. IMHO, the Bible is the inspired word of God and not opinion at all.
But hindsight is always better and what I could have said is, "According to the inspired Word of God, salvation comes only through Jesus Christ". Do I need to say that every time I make a statement?
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toke
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posted on June 10, 2001 02:18:58 PM new
Don't worry, Terri. You couldn't offend me. I'm an atheist.
I merely think the tactful way to state one's beliefs is simply to say..."I believe" thus and so, not state a belief as fact...even though you believe something to be fact...
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twinsoft
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posted on June 10, 2001 02:25:55 PM new
I think a discussion of religion is fine. Using these forums to preach is completely inappropriate, as would be standing on a soapbox inside your local supermarket. This is a public forum, not a church.
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jt-2007
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posted on June 10, 2001 02:32:23 PM new
In theory the lost are not in church. They are on the street...or anyplace but church.
Thanks toke.
Can everyone just please preface every comment I make with the thought,
"I belive according to what I believe to be the inspired word of God" so I don't have to type it every post?
It is intended. I would be grateful.
T
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Linda_K
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posted on June 10, 2001 02:40:07 PM new
toke - I'd like to ask you a question please. Many on these boards have said that they too, are atheists. If you would feel so inclined/willing could you explain to me how you made the choice to become an atheist?
Were you just not raised (born) with religion in your family, or was it after investigating/studying the different religions, you decided none were true? I've always been curious about this choice.
I ask this question of anyone who may also be an atheist.
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hepburn
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posted on June 10, 2001 02:40:57 PM new
Terri, I have a question that maybe you will answer (if you can). Of course, I know it just your opinion.
Now, the question(s). Do you believe in ALL the Bible? Do you try to follow ALL of (the teachings)of OT and NT? If not, why not. If so, I have another question, depending on your answer.
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bobbi355
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posted on June 10, 2001 02:44:17 PM new
Glad you asked that question Linda - I've always wondered about that myself.
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bobbi355
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posted on June 10, 2001 03:27:47 PM new
It just seems like human nature to want to think that there's something better after we die - I know I do. I've always thought that being an atheist would be very ...... well, I don't know the word. It's like you wouldn't have anything to even "hope for" after you die. Why would anyone want to live a "good life" or whatever if that was the case? (I'm just trying to reason this out with myself - am not directing this at anyone). Of course, somebody once told me, "What do you have to lose by living according to the Bible"? I had to think about that one ........
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jtland
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posted on June 10, 2001 03:29:33 PM new
I don't really call myself any particular religion. I have some pagan beliefs, and some beliefs in common with Buddhists. I was brought up in the Christian faith, but as an adult I moved away from it.
I'm reading an interesting book called Awakening to the Sacred, which is about finding the spiritual path that suits you...picking and choosing what feels right to you as an individual. Here's a link to the author's site: http://www.surya.org/
Wiccans are NOT satanists. Wicca and pagans follow gentle, earth-based beliefs. They don't harm others; they believe in karma--that what you do (good or bad) comes back threefold. What I find refreshing about Wiccans is that they don't proselytize. They believe that each person finds their own path that meets their spiritual needs.
Anyone interested in reading FAQs about wiccans and pagans can check out this site: http://www.witchvox.com/basics/wfaq.html
One of these days I hope I'll settle into a belief system that is comfortable to me. For now, I'm just seeking...and finding that above all I value religious tolerance and freedom. I enjoy learning about different religious beliefs, and find it reassuring that they have so many similarities.
Lisa
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bobbi355
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posted on June 10, 2001 03:36:54 PM new
"Wiccans are NOT satanists. Wicca and pagans follow gentle, earth-based beliefs. They don't harm others; they believe in karma--that what you do (good or bad) comes back threefold".
Yes, I was reading about that on that website. I was reading about "spells" and they said they never cast a bad spell on anyone - that it can come back threefold. But what I wonder is, what "power" (if that's the word for it) are they relying on to cast even a good spell?
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krs
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posted on June 10, 2001 03:39:35 PM new
Chocolate
A very nice starting point is : http://www.witchvox.com/
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hepburn
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posted on June 10, 2001 03:47:16 PM new
jtland, thank you for the link. It answered some of the questions I had.
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hepburn
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posted on June 10, 2001 03:50:54 PM new
Now we need a good Buddhist link. I lean towards that, too.
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