Hjw
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posted on June 20, 2001 01:09:50 PM new
Someone earlier mentioned the need for facts. I also would like to see some facts. So far there are none. I only see a lot of speculation and opinion. Until further investigation reveals more information we are just left to our own opinions based on well established research in the field so far.
Pareau's "facts" were based on reaction to drugs not chemicals normally found in the brain.
I believe that anyone who hears voices from God is certifiably crazy.
I also believe that anyone who sees angels is certifiably crazy.
Crazy=weird=psychotic...whatever term you want to use.
It has nothing to do with religion.
If you should start conversing with God or the devil while having dinner tonight, would that get your spouse's attention?
Helen
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Snowyegret
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posted on June 20, 2001 01:40:26 PM new
Helen, dopamine, norepinephrine and serotonin are neurotransmitters. They are normally found in the brain.
Neuro page here
I seem to remember that in Parkinson's Disease, researchers have found lowered levels of dopamine.
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Hjw
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posted on June 20, 2001 01:55:39 PM new
Snowyegret, 
I first pointed this out on page 1 of this thread. Part of my reply follows.
"This is a broad and unsubstantiated statement. The possibility that chemical transmitter substances play a part in behavior is only beginning to be explored. You cannot state with any degree of certainty that "brain chemistry creates perceptual distortions.
Chemical Transmitter substances such as norepinephrine, dopamine and serotonin play important roles in behavior but there is no evidence that they produce psychotic perceptual distortions.
LSD acts as an antagonist against some functions of serotonin and
will cause dissociation of both behavorial and mental activities."
Then, someone else thought that I was referring to drugs. So, now I think that everyone is confused. 
Helen
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artdoggy
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posted on June 20, 2001 02:00:46 PM new
I just read all these posts and everyone seems so certain of their opinion. Well, I saw the DEVIL once and he was real. He was riding in the front seat of a 1976 maverick. He had on a satin cape and had two long velvty horns. He looked right at me and shook is pitchfork at me. It just nearly scared me to death. You never forget when you see the devil, especially on the campus of the University of Alabama, and I think he was on his way to a frat party. But he was real and he was the devil.
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reamond
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posted on June 20, 2001 02:01:35 PM new
Serotonin certainly does play an extremely important role in behavior. The "fight" or "flight" behavior has been shown to be effected by serotonin, and anormal levels produce psychotic behavior at either end of the spectrum.
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Hjw
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posted on June 20, 2001 02:06:00 PM new
Artdoggy LoL
Finally!!! We have a poster who is without a doubt in full control of his senses. I've seen that devil also and every now and then
he stops by just to shoot the breeze.
How did I get involved in this nonsense?
Helen
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reamond
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posted on June 20, 2001 02:09:50 PM new
Being in "control" is exactly what scares people to death when these new facets of the brain are revealed.
'When it comes to reality, we're not the horse, nor are we the rider either, if anything, we are the saddle.'
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artdoggy
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posted on June 20, 2001 02:10:24 PM new
Helen, didn't you know that the devil is in control of this thread! Oh its getting so hot in here and I bet its gonna get hotter!
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Hjw
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posted on June 20, 2001 02:17:14 PM new
That's true Reamond. If you mess around with
seratonin levels, you can produce a nut.
Helen
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roofguy
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posted on June 20, 2001 02:17:34 PM new
If you begin to see auras and angels, I would not call it a religious experience.
Based on what evidence?
If someone experiences angels, as a religious experience, I understand no basis upon which to contradict them, nor to call them crazy.
If someone becomes hostile, anti-social, extraordinarily neglectful, or otherwise dysfunctional, and ALSO reports experiences with angels, that report would be seen as confirmation of dementia.
Observe the existence of evidence of dementia in the latter case, and the lack of such evidence in the first case.
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artdoggy
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posted on June 20, 2001 02:21:42 PM new
I also saw a flying twinkie once. It was engaged in a battle with a cream filled horn. Has anyone here ever eaten a cream filled horn? They are really good to get your seratonin swinging! Gee what would we do without all those shrinks conducting reasearch? I prefer to believe my experience was real, I know it was because I ate my vision and gained 5 pounds.
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Snowyegret
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posted on June 20, 2001 02:25:47 PM new
One of the positive symptoms of schizophrenia is hallucinations.
Haloperidol blocks
D2 postsynaptic dopamine receptors
in the mesolimbic system and increases dopamine turnover by
blockade of the D2 somatodendritic
autorecptor(www.imc.gsm.com, Integrated Medical Curriculum).
That's Haldol. A high potency antipsychotic med. (It's classed as a major tranquilizer)
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Hjw
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posted on June 20, 2001 02:26:11 PM new
Artdoggy,
I hear you. I have the exit option under consideration.
Helen
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Hjw
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posted on June 20, 2001 02:29:07 PM new
get your seratonin swinging
Good one!!!
Helen
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Hjw
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posted on June 20, 2001 02:35:31 PM new
During treatment of Parkinson's disease with l-dopa, patients sometimes develop schizophrenic activity.
That shows how much they know about all these chemicals.
Helen
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Hjw
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posted on June 20, 2001 02:48:44 PM new
roofguy
In both cases, I believe that a serious disorder is indicated.
"If someone experiences angels, as a religious experience, I understand no basis upon which to contradict them, nor to call them crazy."
I would be very concerned and consider it psychotic.
"If someone becomes hostile, anti-social, extraordinarily neglectful, or otherwise dysfunctional, and ALSO reports experiences with angels, that report would be seen as confirmation of dementia."
I would see it as severe psychotic depression.
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artdoggy
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posted on June 20, 2001 02:52:18 PM new
Mary saw an Angel
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Hjw
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posted on June 20, 2001 03:00:40 PM new
If you insist on bringing religious issues into this discussion, we are going to have a serious problem.
Helen
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Hjw
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posted on June 20, 2001 03:03:02 PM new
Job saw a devil.
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inside
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posted on June 20, 2001 03:06:35 PM new
I believe that anyone who is closed mentally to the endless potential of the unknown is shallow, stupid, and boring.
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Hjw
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posted on June 20, 2001 03:13:27 PM new
inside,
Well, at least I've got my seratonin swinging! How about you?
Helen
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roofguy
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posted on June 20, 2001 03:41:34 PM new
He speaks, and the sound of His voice,
is so sweet, the birds hush their singing.
And the melody,
that he gave to me,
within my heart is ringing.
And, He walks with me,
and He talks with me,
and He tells me I am his own.
And the joy we share,
as we tarry there,
none other has ever known.
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At least as delivered by George Beverly Shea, these words just don't come off as evidence of psychosis.
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Hjw
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posted on June 20, 2001 03:50:40 PM new
I learned that when I was a little girl and then I grew up.
There is another one...maybe you know it.. I walk through the garden alone,
while the dew is still on the roses,
Helen
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roofguy
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posted on June 20, 2001 03:51:45 PM new
Same song. That's the first verse. My citation is of the second.
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Hjw
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posted on June 20, 2001 03:56:28 PM new
Hey!
That was always my favorite.
See, I'm not a total infidel.
Helen
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Hjw
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posted on June 20, 2001 04:00:30 PM new
Only when I sang that song, I was thinking of
walking with my daddy. He was fantastic and my only true love.
Helen
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krs
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posted on June 20, 2001 04:06:44 PM new
We all saw Spud-O-Christ.
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Hjw
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posted on June 20, 2001 04:13:33 PM new
Shocking!!!
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Hjw
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posted on June 20, 2001 04:19:00 PM new
Where is the Mysterious Woman?
who visited him just before his death. Could it be...
Helen
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Hjw
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posted on June 20, 2001 04:28:48 PM new
Poor, Poor Spud
It appears that nobody is going to shed any light on the circumstances of his unfortunate demise.
Helen
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