posted on June 12, 2000 05:36:43 PM new
Hello everyone,
In an attempt to help answer the many questions concerning our new business accounts and other changes to our site, I have been very active for the past day on AuctionWatch, OTWA, and eBay's boards.
This was eBay's response:
1. they removed my threads saying they were advertising for PayPal. This was not my motivation, though if I showed PayPal in a positive light I am glad.
2. they suspended the paypalauctionteam account that I was using because the user information was not correct. Technically they were right, as we created that account in February for the purpose of addressing our auction customers, and my name was not on the account.
That said, the intentions of both eBay and myself are easy to see. I was responding to the questions of PayPal customers who were concerned about our recent changes. eBay thought that to be a bad use of their "Community."
I call on eBay to be honest about their intentions. If Billpoint did not exist, this would never have happened.
Thank you, AuctionWatch, for allowing us at PayPal a place to interact with the friendly people who visit your site.
posted on June 12, 2000 05:56:34 PM new
Sorry X.comPaul, for what Ebay has just had the audacity to do to you. If you have read any other threads about Ebay and it's users, you might now understand the scope of the anger floating around these boards lately, and why a mutiny is brewing...
E-bay's foot is getting bigger and bigger, and more and more difficult to insert in their mouth...Yet, they still manage it! Shoshanah
posted on June 12, 2000 06:05:33 PM new
yup ebay has put its foot in the same place its mouth is located.
I dont under stand what they are saying no more sound like there mumbleing were loseing are shirts here and are stock holders are getting edgie,something about the market changeing there name to reel.com hahaha ..
posted on June 12, 2000 06:16:39 PM new
We LOVE PAYPAL and anyone who has dealt with eBay for any time knows how they change rules constantly to suit their mood, their greed, etc. There is NO community at eBay, more like a Nazi Concentration Camp, and too many folks don't have the sense to see how used and manipulated they are....
We LOVE PAYPAL and anyone who has dealt with eBay for any time knows how they change rules constantly to suit their mood, their greed, etc. There is NO community at eBay, more like a Nazi Concentration Camp, and too many folks don't have the sense to see how used and manipulated they are....
In fact it might be good if eBay "outlawed" any use of PayPal on eBay THAT might finally join and organize selling to strike eBay and bring eBay to their knees... not one of those half baked, over night strikes - a week long EVERYONE participates strike - till something major occurs eBay will continue to act like the Commandant at Auschwitz or Birkenau
posted on June 12, 2000 06:19:22 PM new
Investors are greedy people; their portfoglio need to be fed constantly. I do not believe Ebay ever expected to become this montruous money=making machine....and now, there is no slowing down. The moment the stock holders are no longer happy with their returns, they dump some stocks...AND WE PICK UP THE SLACK, by getting hit with Banners, and Fee Increases...That is why so many have already stopped listing on Ebay (including myself), and building another niche somewhere else. We can see the writing on the walls!.... Shoshanah
PayPalPaul: eBay owns their site, and regardless of what you read, the fact is that not everyone on the face of this earth believes you to be the "cat's meow." Myself, I would never use PayPal, which some of your users had actually started to convince me had some redeeming qualities. I find your viral marketing to be the most egregious waste of bandwidth in the entire history of the Internet, I find your ads in 3-D magazines to be insipid and misleading, and futhermore, your audacious, indeed, arrogant foisting of your so-called "services" upon people who do not belong to PayPal ~ via your infamous *beaming* of payments, marks you, in my mind, as a common charleton huckster.
I am quite glad that were I to decide to visit the eBay boards that I wouldn't have to listen to you, there, too.
In so far as comparing any of eBay's to any, (indeed for that matter even any action of Amazon.com's) to any of the horrors that occured in any of the concentration camps or to any of the gestapo tactics is, in my opinion, not only disfactual in the extreme, but furthermore, extremely gauche.
just for the record if you check the bill point page you will find the seller can send a billpoint notice to a buyer who didnt choose to use the option
talk about hucksters pay ebay listing fees pay ebay FVF fees and then use billpoint and pay ebay fees for billpoint and what do you get in return ebay redirecting everyone whos searching for your item to a big corporate site to get a better deal.
I think people upset at this time with ebay for which ever or what ever reason at this point are well Justifide at this point.
I beleave as well that in short order ebay will straghten most of this out. but being as selling is slow for all there right now on top of all these problems they sure picked an bad time to stir the pot
posted on June 12, 2000 06:51:58 PM new
Gee, radh, you sound just a little peeved.
In fact, I'd guess you've had some sort of bad experience with PayPal that you haven't gotten over yet. Yes, I've been beamed a payment or two before I joined PayPal, and the buyers were happy to reverse it out and pay me with a check. But other than that, I have nothing but good things to say about them.
You say, "I am quite glad that were I to decide to visit the eBay boards that I wouldn't have to listen to you, there, too."
What I don't understand is that nobody is MAKING you read this thread, or any other regarding PayPal. And if you are in fact so furious at having to even see their name anywhere, why on earth are you here, posting about them?
You also say, "In so far as comparing any of eBay's to any, (indeed for that matter even any action of Amazon.com's) to any of the horrors that occured in any of the concentration camps or to any of the gestapo tactics is, in my opinion, not only disfactual in the extreme, but furthermore, extremely gauche."
I agree. There are only a very few things that even begin to compare to the Holocaust, and nothing on eBay, Amazon, or PayPal is included in that very short list.
posted on June 12, 2000 07:03:07 PM new
Hi sonsie! When I came to my bookmark of te eBay OUtlook, there was a whole buncha threads about PayPal, with titles indicating that PayPalPaul had been NARUed, or something, and when I saw this particular messagethread, I thought I'd see what the NARUee had to say for himself, and see.... I thought it was something serious, but I shoulda realized that it was just another example of PayPal viral marketing, and really, eBay owns their website and for Paul to be their "answering" questions and "providing customer service" -- shows me that not only is he and his company rude to the extreme, gauche in the best hype-gauche-ness-ess-sess, possible, but I realized that this toot-his-own-horn character, in my view and perceptions of him and his e-biz truly gives me the impression that he believes all of us are unmindedly stoooooooopid.
I thought I'd enlighten him that even if I had only one neuron left, instead of just two, I still wouldn't be that gullibly stupid as to his all too apparent agenda.
posted on June 12, 2000 07:18:23 PM new
Well, I don't work for Paypal but I'm thrilled about the service. I've done a lot of transactions both ways, buying and selling. No problems. It's just the best thing since sliced bread as far as I'm concerned.
posted on June 12, 2000 07:19:23 PM new
Well, my impression of PayPalPaul is that he has been extremely calm and polite in his responses, considering the great amount of hostility towards PayPal that has been expressed on the part of some of the members here on AW.
I'm still not sure why so many people have such a bug up their butt over a service that does not cost them anything to use (and which they are not required to use, for that matter), but that's just me.
posted on June 12, 2000 08:03:16 PM new
Radh and other paypalpaul bashers
Please sit down. Take a deep breath. Think chick peas. There is no need to be rude. It is hardly necessary to use fighting words.
Whenever I bash Billpoint there is always a very good reason and I am always right. I would never use any polite word in describing Billpoint. But that doesn't mean you should be rude to a new guest of auctionwatch.
posted on June 12, 2000 08:22:44 PM new
Yeah, but I always thought a guest should at least sit down, say hello, how's the family, etc. before he/she started hawking his/her wares.
Guess I'm just old-fashioned.
Hiya Radh and Sony, long time since I saw you guys.
posted on June 12, 2000 08:37:24 PM new
Seems to me there were several threads demanding answers from PPP, and he came to AW to answered them. I see no advertising from him.
I see one individual is getting back into the rare form she was in before she left in a huff some time ago.
Chill pills and deep breaths are wonderful things. I have seen the truth and it makes no sense.
Ahem. Just a reminder that the AuctionWatch Community Guidelines call for the use of basic etiquette. Please feel free to express your opinion, but also please remember to address the topic not the individual.
posted on June 12, 2000 08:55:22 PM new
well i guess radh and the rest of the paypal bashers can just use billpoint then
so to all of the paypal bashers do you want cheese with your whine
K MCDONALD
posted on June 12, 2000 09:09:37 PM new
It would seem to me that no matter the product, e-bay would be a little nuts to allow it to be sold from their store, in direct competition with their own product.
If you were to build a store, work to build a customer base, and stock it with a product, would you allow someone to walk in the front door and set up a competing product right in the middle of your store. I think not. It wouldn't matter if it was the best product in the world. It's your store. Does McDonalds allow Wendy's hamburgers to be sold at their drive in window. Of course not. I can imagine how crazy everyone would think Wendy's was for trying, and how stupid Mcdonalds would be to allow it. Would People think Mcdonalds was mean, evil and vile for tossing them out on their ear? I doubt it.
posted on June 12, 2000 09:14:46 PM new
I think the point that some of us are making is that this board is for eBay auction-related information, a categorization to which PayPal certainly falls. However, it is NOT a forum for a PayPal representative to use to answer questions related to their services. Indeed, they should have a customer service mechanism that handles that, and that should include a board to post questions if that's what people desire. Quite frankly, I'm very tired of the rah-rah attitudes AND the bashing that is going on between folks on both sides of the fence. If you want to use PayPal, that's great! If you don't, that's great! It's really quite pointless to try and shove an attitude down someone's throat (and I'm not referring to any specific person here) day after day after day. Perhaps AuctionWatch could establish a board specifically for PayPal questions (wasn't that tried once?) for those who want more information. Otherwise, it is ridiculous to continue these unproductive threads. Yep, anyone who doesn't want to read them can ignore them...if it's in the title that's the subject being dealt with. Unfortunately, more and more threads that start out as one issue completely unrelated to online payment options quickly disintegrates into childlike drivel and namecalling. Too bad...
posted on June 12, 2000 09:16:18 PM newI call on eBay to be honest about their intentions
paypalpaul, without the slightest bit of disrespect intended, I'll ask the same of you regarding PayPal.
Do you intend to lock accounts of those who exercise their federally guaranteed protections from fraudulent credit card charges in the way that eBay has treated you?
posted on June 12, 2000 09:49:56 PM new
Perhaps PayPal would be wise in providing links to message boards on their help page where representatives could answer questions. I'll be the first one to admit that a message board is a hard beast to manage, but PayPal customers need a link to a place where they can be helped. The message board on eBay is increasingly hostile to PayPal and without a PayPal rep to be able to offer help it will be a liability. Provide a link to where posts can be addressed, please.
posted on June 12, 2000 10:13:40 PM new
If PayPal can't provide appropriate customer service to service their clients, they certainly shouldn't expect eBay to provide bandwidth for them. In my opinion, if they and Brand-X bank can't even afford that, there is something "wrong." However, since PayPal has done a viral marketing blitz which took more bandwidth of the Net than anything in history, and I constantly, every day ran into their links CONSTANTLY, everywhere, as most of humanity wanted another five bucks, I am sick of 'em.
I also harbor animosity towards PayPal, for it was directly due to them that I decided that I would not list any eBay auctions last November, when conceivably I could have gotten ridda lotsa my stock.
I continued to read all over the place stories of sellers being coerced to join PayPal, in a way that was outright abusive, threatening, intimidating, and indeed, indeed, simply scary!
Selling at online auctions has enuff potential pitfalls without attracting bids from people who wanna get five lousy bucks bounty payment on me!
I am very pleased, that the really big folks, the BIG ones, who even make Visa/Wells Fargo look like small biz are entering the online payment sector, cuz I'll be pleased when the inevitable occurs.
PayPal planned their entire e-biz on the basis of viral marketing, and assumed that everyone beamed money would necessarily join.
Uhm, no "thank you" -- I'll pass. Seriously.
I'd been waiting for over half a year for eBay to have a check-off box, where sellers could claim: "Accepts BillPoint, ONLY" as the payment option, but they never did that.
Why? You think I admire or like Visa/Wells Fargo?
LOL!!
Well, at least they did not inspire people all over the entire Net, including friends, to ask me to click the link and join PayPal through them -- for the 5-Buck-Bounty.
I'm also not fond of their ads, which informed me that anyone sent a PayPal payment immediately became a member, cuz I found out here that's not so, but that's not what their ad claimed.
They knew darn well what they were doing with their viral marketing and the impact of peer pressure, so I ain't takin' none of that paultry, "But they cannot control what their members do..." It was so bad that eBay had to post an announcement.
Nope, ya ain't gonna see me doing biz with Brand-X and its subsidiary, PayPal.
I opened this messagethread, as I thought that there was actually a TRUE problem, that yet another unjustified NARU had occured, but no, I just find what I consider to be more meme-foisting and viral-chatter, by a company owned by a bank that can't even afford its own messageboard.
posted on June 12, 2000 10:43:22 PM new
foota, please!
the correct analogy is to the coexistence of department store-branded credit cards and visa/mastercard. macy's, nordstrom and many other stores would much prefer you to use their credit cards (so much so that they usually give you 10% off to open an account) and yet they happily welcome and even promte visa/mc/american express.
posted on June 12, 2000 10:49:08 PM new
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I have never received any spam from PayPal or a PayPal member.
Edited to fix a missed letter from the copy and paste.
I have seen the truth and it makes no sense.
[ edited by noshill on Jun 12, 2000 10:51 PM ]
There has been some mention in this thread regarding a the need for a special forum for PayPal questions and concerns. While this topic may be discussed in this forum, AuctionWatch does in fact have a forum specifically for questions about PayPal and other partner services. You can find that forum here:
posted on June 12, 2000 11:01:29 PM new
SIMPLE SOLUTION FOR PAY PAL BASHERS: Don't use it! Stick to SHRILLPOINT and shovel more money towards greedBay! Getting very old these bogus complaints about a free service that has dramatically helped my auctions! Instead of inventing problems about services that you don't like, why don't YOU JUST MOVE ON & CAN IT!You're right: PP & x.com are EVIL--let's see: they give me FREE checking with INTEREST + FREE ATM card with OVERDRAFT PROTECTION + FREE MONEY MARKET ACCOUNT @ 6.7% + FREE method for credit card processing on greedBay! HOW DARE THEY TREAT ME SO POORLY!
