morgantown
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posted on February 27, 2001 02:20:51 PM new
Tired of bidders becoming upset after seeing the cost of postage on the box? Switch to FedEx Home Delivery or UPS - problem solved and bidders sleep better. 
MTown
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ExecutiveGirl
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posted on February 27, 2001 02:23:47 PM new
Why pay more for Fed-Ex than Priority Mail? I don't have anything to hide.... let them see how much it cost...
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morgantown
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posted on February 27, 2001 02:25:38 PM new
FedEx Home Delivery is 40-60% cheaper than Priority Mail...
Mtown
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morgantown
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posted on February 27, 2001 02:27:32 PM new
FYI, I am not having a bidder problem related to this matter; however, many that post to this board are. The post was informative only.
MTown
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ExecutiveGirl
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posted on February 27, 2001 02:28:15 PM new
Last time I checked Priority Mail was much cheaper.
With Priority Mail you get free supplies - free boxes, free tape, free labels.
With Fedex you have to supply your own everything.
Priority Mail is much cheaper in the long run.
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morgantown
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posted on February 27, 2001 02:32:16 PM new
Well I beg to differ.
Priority Mail is 40-60% more expensive than FedEx Home Delivery. Also, FedEx tracking and insurance [up to $100] is included at no additional charge. If you don't believe me go to fedex.com and check the Home Delivery rates. Additionally, the rates are zone based and savings can be substantial if destination is closer to shipper. Priority Mail is a flat rate up to #5 pounds. Plus insurance. Plus Delivery Confirmation.
MTown
PS. the exception may be on the lightest weights. But after ins. and del. conf. is factored in it's probably still cheaper. Boxes are not expensive. For example [PM] size 7, 6, 11, 15 range between 25-60 cents per box, depending upon where you buy them and what quantity.
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[ edited by morgantown on Feb 27, 2001 02:37 PM ]
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ExecutiveGirl
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posted on February 27, 2001 02:36:59 PM new
I also don't insure packages through USPS, I insure my packages via U-Pic, which lowers the cost that much more. And I love the free supplies. You say boxes are very cheap - but when you are mailing out hundreds of items every single week - it's very costly.
So I guess we can just agree to disagree.
The point of this thread I guess anyways, was to let sellers know how they can "cover up" how much shipping REALLY costs... and I think any seller who uses Fed-Ex simply for that reason is very wrong, and sneaky. If you are charging $x.xx for shipping, your customers deserve to know how much shipping really was, and how much the seller pocketed.
[ edited by ExecutiveGirl on Feb 27, 2001 02:38 PM ]
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morgantown
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posted on February 27, 2001 02:42:48 PM new
If you are charging $x.xx for shipping, your customers deserve to know how much shipping really was, and how much the seller pocketed.
I don't agree.
However, they do have the right to know what class of shipping and what company was utilized. I HAVE NEGOTAITED RATES [BASED UPON VOLUME] WITH FEDEX, IT IS NOT ANYBODY'S BUSINESS WHAT I PAY. IT'S BETWEEN ME AND FEDEX, ISN'T IT??
I ordered some drapes from a retailer they didn't reveal how much was actual shipping and how much was handling. Had this been you would have have called and asked them?
MTown
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pj79
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posted on February 27, 2001 02:44:37 PM new
Actually it depends on the dimensions & weight of the package as well as destination.
FedEx Ground is cheaper than UPS no question about it, but it may not be cheaper than Priority or Parcel Post even w/ with confirmation & insurance (depends on item value). My items usually weigh 10 lbs. & are 23"x18"x17". The dimensional weight used by FedEx/UPS is approx. 30 lbs. Priority or Parcel (flat weight rate) are usually cheaper unless the destination is across the US. I just shipped a package via Parcel Post & it was just under $8, the FedEx price was $10 & change & the UPS price was just over $12.
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vargas
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posted on February 27, 2001 02:47:03 PM new
. If you are charging $x.xx for shipping, your customers deserve to know how much shipping really was, and how much the seller pocketed.
Why? When you order something from, for example's sake, Amazon.com, do you ask how the shipping breaks down?
I don't. I just check to see how long it will take for the package to arrive and how much it will cost me.
If I think it's a fair price, I buy the item.
When the item arrives, I don't check to see if Amazon really paid $2.98 for postage to mail me a DVD. I don't care how they send it, as long as it arrives intact and in the time frame specified.
What amazes me about these threads is that people are cranking over chump change -- a dollar or two.
There are real shipping gougers on eBay.... charging $30.00 for shipping something that costs $6.00 to package and mail. Those are the people to go after.
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morgantown
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posted on February 27, 2001 02:48:49 PM new
Right on Vargas!
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ExecutiveGirl
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posted on February 27, 2001 02:49:49 PM new
To order from a catalog / retailer is an entirely different story. No, I would NOT contact them.
But when you are on ebay - knowing how many "scammers" there are out there, I think using a service ONLY to scam buyers out of shipping is dead wrong.
If you use FedEx and that's your choice for valid reasons (their reputation, it's more convenient, it's more cost effective) that's fine - no problem.
But if you think "I think I'll switch to FedEx so no one can see how much shipping I really pay and I can overcharge my customers and they'll never know" is just being deceptive.
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ExecutiveGirl
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posted on February 27, 2001 02:52:14 PM new
Vargas ~
There are real shipping gougers on eBay.... charging $30.00 for shipping something that costs $6.00 to package and mail. Those are the people to go after.
My point exactly. If you paid $30.00 to have an item shipped to you and it only cost the seller $6 and they used a service like Fed-Ex ONLY to cover up how much shipping really cost - how would you know? You wouldn't.
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morgantown
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posted on February 27, 2001 02:53:16 PM new
ExecutiveGirl:
Perhaps I didn't begin this thread with enough fore thought. ----> I use FedEx as a competitive advantage buy offering lower rates than sellers who use Priority Mail and add on handling, insurance, dc.
The intention of this thread is not to assist in the Gouging of bidders. I appolgize for not choosing my words and ideas more carefully.
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morgantown
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posted on February 27, 2001 02:59:40 PM new
Vargas:
The figures you are using above "$30 and $6" are extreme and extra ordinary. My focus was intended on the bidders that get upset over a dollar or less.
MTown
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ExecutiveGirl
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posted on February 27, 2001 03:14:38 PM new
No problem MTown... I think getting all upset over a couple bucks is petty too - since the seller has other costs involved (their time, fees, gas to PO). I see nothing wrong with using Fed-Ex for a valid reason - I just don't think people should use it if their only reason is to deceive customers..
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vargas
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posted on February 27, 2001 03:20:21 PM new
That's my point Morgantown. Those extreme and extra ordinary figures are the real gouge numbers --- not a dollar or two above postage.
Why on earth people posting to this board are upset over a dollar or two is absolutely beyond me. And I don't believe the people who post to this board with those chump change complaints represent the vast majority of the buying public.
It's charging $30 for $6 and that ilk that are a problem.
But I don't see ANY complaints here of that nature.
There must be far less fraud and chicanery on eBay than one would think if we're constantly dredging up shipping "overcharges" that amount to the price of a cup of coffee in my company cafeteria.
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canvid13
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posted on February 27, 2001 03:25:28 PM new
Pointless arguement folks. Most of the people who are arguing about this point are not the type of customers most professional sellers would want anyway?
Anyone who can't figure out the TOS statement and choose to accept or not is going to be a pain in the butt. Let them bid from some other seller.
Has anyone noticed that over the last half year or so alot of sellers have disappeared or stopped sellling??
These are folks, some of whom I've met, you sold their personal belongings or from Garage sales and flea markets.
As word of Ebay spread their costs to buy things rose and it became much harder to find that 50 cent book that they could sell for $100.00
Why not disclose what you pay for the product to as well as shipping??
To the whiners, READ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
All you have to do is read the listing. If you can abide by the terms then bid.
Everything else is superfluous.
As long as you get what you bought in a reasonable period of time you should be happy. Anything else and you're out of line.
I know it sounds hard but you can become a hard person when you sell lots of things online. You become a survivor. A warrior, a Chickenhead!
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morgantown
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posted on February 27, 2001 03:34:46 PM new
Jamie! Well said - I was thinking along those lines but the words didn't end up on the screen!!
Thank you.
MTown
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