libbyparsons
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posted on February 27, 2001 07:44:48 PM new
Just curious. I have to give another negative in a few days and if they retaliate it will be my 3rd one on one eBay name and I've already got 4 on my other (1 was for a ridiculous reason, the guy was a *weenie* and the other 3 were retalitory.
How many have you gotten?
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vargas
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posted on February 27, 2001 07:49:13 PM new
None and I did leave negs for the very few deadbeats I've had. They all ended up NARU very shortly afterward.
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fonzie
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posted on February 27, 2001 08:30:27 PM new
I have gotten two retalitory negs. I gave negative feedback for nonpaying bidders and they in return negative feedback was sent back to me saying I didn't try hard enough to get payment from them or I didn't contact them. Everyone knows that you have to give a bidder alert 10 days before you can give negative feedback for nonpayers. I contacted Ebay and they didn't seem to care. I now feel like all I can do now is just let it go and take a loss because bidders really have the upper hand. I only give feedback, now, after the buyer gets their item and leaves feedback for me. If they don't, which a lot does not, I don't either. I miss getting a lot of feedback because of this, but don't know any other way to be in control of the feedback. Too bad Ebay doesn't have a better way to control these deadbeat buyers. I must admit, though, most buyers are very nice.
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bkmunroe
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posted on February 27, 2001 08:32:40 PM new
I've given about 170 negs on my business account and have received 8 in return.
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yeager
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posted on February 27, 2001 08:39:39 PM new
I have 2 accountss. On the first one, I have left eight. One for each person who has failed to pay, and have received none in return.
On my second account, I have left one for non payment and received one in retaliation. The buyer said that I took 25 days to email her about payment, and that was her reason for not paying. I replied with the 8 dates that I emailed her.
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digitalmaster
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posted on February 27, 2001 09:07:26 PM new
1 for filing a non-paying bidder.
I almost left a retalitory neg myself when I was pretty angry because a bidder left me a nuetral before contacting me about a "record club issue" CD. However, he was a good customer and I waited til I calmed down and gave him the feedback he deserved; a positive.
Some sellers use it as extortion though and it makes honest sellers that wait to leave feedback look bad. I actually have a seller now that I bought something from and he has left tons of negs whenever a customer complains about anything. He refuses to leave me a positive even though I already let him know I recieve the item. I will still leave him a positive becasue I am happy with the transaction but becareful of sellers who leave feedback last if you don't know what kind of seller they are. All that said, I leave feedback last but I have recieved a few nuetrals and I gave those bidders positives and have only left negative feedback when warented.
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mcjane
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posted on February 27, 2001 09:45:52 PM new
I haven't received any negs because I never gave any and never will as long as eBay allows an NPB to trash my feedback. Negative feedback hurts me, not the seller.
It hurts enough to take pictures, set up an auction, wait seven days, email the winner, wait again, no answer or maybe a reply, but no payment ever comes. File a FVF & relist & start all over again. Do I really need a negative on top of that, absolutely not. If the buyer is consistant about being a NPB eBay will take care of them, not me.
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IMLDS2
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posted on February 27, 2001 10:12:59 PM new
I've gotten 7 negs in the 1 1/2 yrs on ebay.
All have been retalitory except for 2 that I didn't deserve but the mix up was mine so I let it slide.
I'm fixing to get another 1-2 this week as I've sent out NPBs...
Doesn't bother me..I respond to them sweetly and compared to my postive feedback it speaks for itself.
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cardmall
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posted on February 27, 2001 10:36:04 PM new
I agree, I don't like the way Ebay has things set up. Once you've had a warning sent for non-payment, and you've gotten the fees refunded, the person should NOT be able to leave feedback. If that were the way the system was set up, I would have no problem leaving negative feedback for non-payers. However, it's not fair to me that someone who has backed out of a deal with me can also leave negative feedback just because they are unhappy that I left them negative feedback.
I know there are those who will argue that it is somehow my responsibility to leave negative feedback, but I don't agree given the curren Ebay rules. If they change the rules, I will change my practices. I'd rather only get negative feedback if I really deserve it. Right now I have a 1087 positive rating, with zero negatives.
Alan
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mcjane
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posted on February 27, 2001 10:58:49 PM new
I still can't see how negative feedback hurts a buyer. I don't ever look at my buyers feedback, I only look at a sellers because there, feedback is important. When you leave negative feedback for a NPB it's usually factual. They in turn usually retaliate with some outlandish statement which is most likely far from the truth. You certainly wouldn't expect them to say
"The seller is right, but sinse he left me a neg so I am giving one back" If your lucky they will let it go, if not they will defend themselves when they have no defense.
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barbarake
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posted on February 28, 2001 04:00:13 AM new
To answer the question - I've received one negative feedback (retaliatory). I was the buyer on the deal - she said a jacket fit a size 20 and it turns out that it was a size 14. (But it fit her and *she's* a size 20!!) I guess it's partially my fault - I should have known better than to bid because no measurements were given - but I was a newbie at the time. Evidently she had problems with others besides myself - she made her feedback private shortly thereafter and has stopped selling (at least under that id).
But I've always been one of those people that left feedback either when paid or when I received the goods. But I don't really see the point anymore on leaving negatives for buyers. No one really looks at them anyway. I file for refund of all fees so ebay will get them soon enough.
Only one time have I been suspicious of a buyer so I checked their feedback. There were no negatives but - more importantly - there was no feedback for the past two months. I checked and she had been buying *lots* of stuff. So I contacted a couple of the earlier sellers. Sure enough - no pay. But I didn't do anything anyway. I let her bid ride and she was outbid.
So I can honestly say that negative feedback left to a buyer has never affected me one way or another.
But feedback on a seller is much more important (and that has made a difference in my bidding).
So why should I take a chance of a buyer trashing my rating when it's not important?
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Meya
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posted on February 28, 2001 04:10:27 AM new
I've left 6 or 7 negs, and about a year ago got one nasty neg in retaliation. ebay removed it because it was full of profanity.
I file NPB's and Fee credits on all who don't pay, and leave unemotional appropriate negs.
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fattyman
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posted on February 28, 2001 04:42:09 AM new
12 of 12 on the retalitory........9 as a seller and 3 as a buyer......thats out of 1100 total fb.......mainly because of the influx of deadbeats and a few who don't follow terms. as a buyer it was because i left negs for damaged items due to packing where a refund was refused.....thats life and i can live with it, i will take no crap from auctions, PERIOD!
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grumpynamaolcom
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posted on February 28, 2001 06:37:21 AM new
Everyone knows that you have to give a bidder alert 10 days before you can give negative feedback for nonpayers. fonzie
I don't think all sellers know about having to file a bidder alert before leaving a neg. I have been selling for a little over two years and didn't know this until reading the message boards here. That's what I love about this message board - both buyers and sellers can learn so much from the information given here.
So far I haven't received any retalitory negs and only do leave one for dead beats after a minimum of 4-5 attempts of collecting payment, generally over a one month period. Out of the 11 I've left 4 have been NARU'd.
Even though sellers don't always look at the negatives of a buyer, those buyers could turn into sellers in the future.
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insigniaone
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posted on February 28, 2001 07:27:59 AM new
1 for 1. After 150 positive transactions, I ran into my first deadbeat bidder. I filed NPB & FVF then promptly neg'd. him very politely. Guess what?? He gave me a retalitory neg. just before he got NARU'd. He responded that he mailed MO twice & that I cashed it! Yeah right! My first neg. ! Guess I'm no longer a virgin. About to leave my 2nd neg. for another NPB. Wonder what will happen?? I'm shaking
[ edited by insigniaone on Feb 28, 2001 07:29 AM ]
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yahoodoggie
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posted on February 28, 2001 08:06:31 AM new
I got twenty negs in a 2 week period last year! I couldn't believe it! The number of bidders who just neg you without ever contacting you. I didn't even know there was a problem with that weeks auctions untill I got a neg! I ended about 300 auctions every sat back then and shipped them all out on monday. Well I guess one shipment really got lost becuase i had about 250 bidders emailing me! The only ones that negged me were they ones who never contacted me 1st the rest got a refund.....no one ever did get the cd's. anyway here is a tip.....if you feel you just gotta neg a buyer do it on the very last day/hour before the auction goes out of the system...it's 30 days.... then unless they respond that very minute...they won't be able to!!!! pretty sneaky eh?
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cashmonkey
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posted on February 28, 2001 10:06:41 AM new
EVERYONE:
Think, think, think!
I always read complaints here about how unfair the feedback system is. I read about how buyers should be protected from unfair negative-feedback-leaving sellers---and how sellers should be protected from unfair negative-feedback-leaving buyers.
I just read in this thread about how a buyer should be prevented from leaving a neg once the seller has filed a NPB notice. Fine, but that's assuming the seller is not a sleazbag just trying to recoup his fees, even though the transaction went smoothly. Or maybe the seller screwed the buyer AND STILL filed NPB.....WHO KNOWS---just the buyer and seller---that's who. And that is my whole point!
Think! What nonsense. Try to see the forest through the trees!
The fact is, the feedback system is about as good and fair as it's ever going to get. WHY? Because Ebay has NO IDEA who they're really dealing with and they DO NOT have a crystal ball to help figure out whether it's the buyer who's to blame or the seller. They have enough problems figuring out how to keep the site running smoothly, forget about having to referee constant squabbles over feedback!
Get Real.
And until a system is devised to read people's minds to tell who is right and who is wrong, don't look for any changes in the feedback system. It's about as good as it's ever going to get.
Move on.
[ edited by cashmonkey on Feb 28, 2001 10:13 AM ]
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HJW
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posted on February 28, 2001 10:54:05 AM new
As long as retaliatory feedback is permitted,
this rating system will not work.
I don't leave negative feedback
so, I don't have a problem with retaliatory
feedback. Why should I jeopardize my rating
by incurring undeserved negative feedback?
I do leave positive feedback for each sale
and purchse that I make on Ebay.
Helen
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BJGrolle
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posted on February 28, 2001 11:06:17 AM new
I've left 19 out of 609 and have not yet gotten a retaliatory and I have no intention of worrying about one either.
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glenda
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posted on February 28, 2001 11:36:29 AM new
"Everyone knows that you have to give a bidder alert 10 days before you can give negative feedback for nonpayers."
I dunno where this came from, but it's not correct. Either party can leave a neg within seconds of an auction ending.
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