posted on March 13, 2002 09:48:53 AM new
In the last month, I have had to deal with four deadbeat bidders. Three of them literally fell off the face of the earth -- no contact or payment after charges were sent -- and one of them keeps e-mailing me with excuses and promises to pay. His latest e-mail was a week ago, requesting his total charges (which had already been sent twice), telling me he would pay "immediately" via PayPal, which was easier for him because he "had been injured in a plane crash". That's a new one -- I usually get the "dead mother" excuse. He still hasn't paid me. This idiot is currently bidding on FIFTY-NINE AUCTIONS!!! He's so busy bidding he obviously can't find the time to log-on to PayPal's website.
I know that negative feedback is a controversial topic on this message board. However, I do not hesitate to leave negative feedback for these parasites. I wish every seller would "neg" their deadbeat bidders, if only to serve as a warning to other sellers. All of these deadbeats I'm dealing with have good feedback, and I seriously doubt that I am the first seller they have stiffed. Sellers are too afraid of retaliation. I've been selling on eBay for about three years and have found that my "not positive" feedbacks (3 neutrals and 1 neg) always come out of the blue. I've never gotten a retaliatory negative. Leaving negative feedback for deadbeats is a service to your fellow sellers! You don't have to get nasty, just a simple "Did not honor bid" will suffice.
posted on March 13, 2002 09:52:23 AM new
Hopefully you wont get 4 negs in return all at the same time..that would certainly make future bidders wary of you (thinking you were a good seller went bad)
MEOW
posted on March 13, 2002 10:06:40 AM new
It's extremely unlikely to get a retaliatory feedback from a deadbeat especially if they don't respond at all and you go through the usual NPB alert.
I have no hesitation to leave a negative for someone who fails to make payment after filing my NPB alert and I have collected my FVF credit. The shortest possible time to get a credit is 17 days: 7 days for no response and then 10 days for the alert. If you wait 14 days before filing, the shortest credit date is 24 days...nearly a full month.
I bring the dates up because this is the best way to state a neg comment: EOA, NPB FVF Credit with their respective dates. It leaves no doubt in the mind of the reader that the deadbeat hung himself on an eBay rope of his own choosing.
posted on March 13, 2002 10:13:48 AM new
Be sure and file the NPB and then request your FVFs, that will do the most good!
After 3 or 4 sellers who have been stiffed do that, they will be NARUed by eBay (at least until they can set up a new account).
I personally don't put a lot of stock in FB (good or bad). You mentioned these "deadbeats" have good FB. I came across one buyer who had really good FB and then several neutrals and negs within a week for non-payment.
I have even had one buyer who had several negs for non-payment who paid me within the hour with PP, sent me a very nice email after receiving their item and we exchanged positive FB.
Sometimes it's just not easy to tell about a buyer or seller.
A seller may have 1000+, but if I have to wait weeks to get an item I paid for within hours or I hear nothing about when my item was shipped or don't get a response to my inquiry after 10 days, I don't think that seller is all the hot regardless of what the past 1000 folks said! It really depends on your own personal perception as to whether a buyer or seller is a good one or not.
However, I most certainly agree, a buyer who does not pay or a seller who does not ship is not someone I want to do business with!
posted on March 13, 2002 10:30:26 AM new
I agree, neg the bums!
In 4 years I've left hundreds of negs (I average about 2% deadbeat ratio on my sales) and have only received 13 negs back, 12 of which are retaliatory, 1 was deserved.
posted on March 13, 2002 10:31:57 AM new
As a seller, the only way I will benefit from you giving them a negative is if they give you a negative in return, and the buyer decides not to buy from you because of your negative feedback, but from me with no retalitory negatives.
As a seller, I don't take the time to look at the feedback of my buyer. No matter what you do, you will run across deadbeats. I send out my NPB notice, and then 10 days after that a FVF. THAT will help all sellers, get them off ebay. A buyer with 100 positives and 20 negatives can still bid, but 3 sellers who took the time to file FVF will at least get them kicked off ebay. Maybe sellers review every single bidder and feedback, I just set up the auctions, do some monitoring of bid values, and then when it is over get to work on invoicing. You giving these people negative in no way is a direct help to me...
posted on March 13, 2002 10:37:11 AM new
KATMOMMY are you too scared to leave negs?
I ALWAYS NEG deadbeats not once have then neg'd back.....THERE ARE WAY too many people scarred to do it incase they get one back. it will not put people off if you got a neg from someone with a minus 5 feedback.
posted on March 13, 2002 10:37:35 AM new
Four negatives to a deadbeat newbie = NARU. No FVF credit necessary but recommended. Negs do count.
If you are selling something expensive, you most certainly do not want a deadbeat bidding. It helps to know who you are dealing with and negatives count in that picture.
posted on March 13, 2002 11:02:23 AM new
I dont leave Negs for deadbeats ANYMORE (I've only had 3 in 3 years)..but I do file a NPD and FVF. 2 of the deadbeats Ive had have left me NEG feedback because I've left it for them. Its not worth it to me. SO...MrFoxy..I'm not scared..I just cant be bothered with the aggravation.
MEOW
posted on March 13, 2002 11:08:52 AM new
yip they help other people realize this is some assh@ole just messing around. i find it funny how some people are soo SCARRED to get a neg so they will not neg anyone.
posted on March 13, 2002 11:15:04 AM new
It is SCARED, not SCARRED (scarred is something you will get if you get burned from a fire)
I am not scared, I just don't see the point of leaving negative feedback to a deadbeat. It does not benefit me if I receive a negative back, and I am not altruistic enough to really do this for others, which I think is not really a benefit anyway.
LOL..yeah..it would be awful if I got SCARRED just because I was SCARED to leave a negative FB. Time to go block a certain someone on the boards now...esp. since I find most his postings stupid, irritating, obnoxious and juvinile.
MEOW
posted on March 13, 2002 12:44:18 PM new
I felt like negative feedbak would cause me problems but the bidders normally know they deserve it.
I had a person bid on one of my items and never paid it. I thought her bids were outrageous.
After checking her feedback and reviewing some of the other auctions she placed bids on, I discovered she was really a deadbeat. She had actually made bids on 447 auctions within a month. If others would have left negative feedback, I wouldn't have to go through the trouble of FVFs. Thankfully, she is now "Not A Registered User" (NARU).
posted on March 13, 2002 03:44:12 PM new
THANK YOU FOR THE DEFINITION OF NARU. NEVER KNEW WHAT IT MEANT, NOW I DOES. 775 FEEDS AND LOOKING BACK FROM TIME TO TIME I SEE TONS OF HIGH NUMBER BIDDERS WHO ARE NARU. WHAT GIVES? REALISTICALLY THERE ARE PROBABLY 100. HIGH NUMBERS I MEAN, THEY BOUGHT ALOT OF JUNK. SORRY, PRODUCTS. WHY???? ONCE I E MAILED A GUY WITH LIKE 3000. WONDERING WHY WOULD SOMEONE LIKE THAT NARU. HE SAID HE HAD SOME MIX UP PROBLEM WITH E BAY. BLA, BLA, BLA, ANY WAY, THANKS. LAST POSTER.
posted on March 13, 2002 04:57:16 PM new
I do leave feedback for everyone good and bad ,I wish every one did also .If they are a deadbeat bidder leave feedback,don't you think the next seller has a right to know ?I will not allow people who has -2 to bid on my auction .and if people would leave the proper feedback i would know if they are going to follow through with the deal or just stick me .
posted on March 14, 2002 12:35:40 AM new
To the originator of this thread, I feel for you, but at the same time I have to laugh !! 'Injured in a plane crash ' is the BIGGEST lie I've ever heard !!! Geee, this guy should be able to pay you a lot more than he bid then- he must've gotten a large sum of $ from the airline if he was " injured" . Pfffffft . lol
Anyway, I strongly agree that it's best to leave that negative feedback. And not just leave the feedback, but file the formal complaint ,since thats what ultimatley will kick someone off eBay if they keep it up . I think it's what needs to be done more on eBay. Ultimatley, honest people who use it need QUALITY ,not quantity .
One thing you should do is save every email this deadbeat sends. In the event he retaliates and leaves slanderous feedback on your behlaf, you can prove w/ these emails it was his wrongdoing and not yours. In rare cases like that, eBay will remove false feedback .
If I were you (if you get the time and ambition to do so) ,I would actually take the liberty of contacting the sellers of the other items he's bidding on and warn them about him.
posted on March 14, 2002 12:53:56 AM new
I think it would be nice if NPBs received automatic negs when a final value fee is filed. There would be nothing to retaliate for because you wouldn't be the one leaving it. Just a thought..
[ edited by outoftheblue on Mar 14, 2002 12:54 AM ]
posted on March 14, 2002 03:12:12 AM new
i had a deadbeat last month who sent me 3 emails promising payment, then nothing. he had +1 feedback.
he had bid on about 20 items in the same category as mine at the same time.
i negged him which gave him a feedback of 0, his feedback is still 0. none of the other sellers bothered to leave the neg feedback so he still looks like a viable bidder. if he had paid for any of the other auctions, i would think he would have gotten at least a few positive feedbacks?
posted on March 14, 2002 06:17:33 AM new
This has been stated before, but I'll
repeat it. While the idea of having a NPB
get automatically negged or be unable to leave feedback is appealing, what if it is the seller
who is out to commit fraud?
I pay for the item. The seller doesn't ship and then accuses me of being an NPB?
1) My money is gone.
2) My feedback is tarnished.
3) I can't leave feedback for them.
If you do receive a retalitory negative, just respond to it in a professional manner and try to move on.
posted on March 14, 2002 07:29:55 AM new
Talking about "slow-response" bidders. I just received an e-mail from a bidder on whom I left Neg FB in May, 2000...almost 2 years ago. S/he is wondering why I messed up her/his rating. Hmmm??? Wonder why???
S/he has one Pos, older than my Neg; 2 FB total. Not exactly an 'active' bidder!
Interesting, though, that someone is wondering why the Neg, after all this time. And, of course, no worry about a retal neg! :>
posted on March 14, 2002 08:24:04 AM new
Update -- another deadbeat today. I sold a phone two weeks ago to a "newbie", heard from her immediately and sent the charges the day after the auction ended. Still no payment, so I sent the usual "I have yet to receive payment..." notice this morning. I checked her feedback rating to see if she had stiffed anybody and she now is up to +1, from 0. When I checked the feedback, it was for an identical phone that she purchased the day after my auction ended using Buy It Now -- for less money of course. Don't think I'll hear from her and she will be again back down to 0 in the feedback department soon. I'm always a bit leery about selling to people with 0 feedback, but we all had to start someplace...
Re contacting sellers to warn them about their deadbeat bidder -- you can't do that. It is looked upon as "auction interference" and eBay doesn't tolerate it.
posted on March 14, 2002 04:37:52 PM new
This has happened to me before and is happening this week. I think bidders make the winning bid on several of the same item to "hold" them. Then they pick which one they want to pay for and "fall off the face of the earth" for the other sellers. No e-mail response, no pay, zip.
ROFL = My hubby is playing Star Trek battle games on his PC. When the enemy vessel ignored his attempt to communicate with them, he ordered their ship destroyed. Way to go!
Sometimes I feel like doing that when NPB's ignore my e-mails (but, of course, I don't).
posted on March 14, 2002 06:29:14 PM new
Ah, yes- if only it were that easy! LOL
I have no problem neging deadbeats- and FVF is an automatic with me.
The feedback system is VERY important to me.
My favorite was the guy in November who told me "sorry dude, I went to Jamaica on vacation. Like, I'll buy one in january, okay? because I already bought all my Christmas presents... "
I pointed out that i wanted to buy my kids their presents, and he said "is that all the money you make, Dude, you must be poor"
He was NArued pretty quick after that..
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