kinmartin
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posted on September 12, 2002 10:04:12 PM new
Someone got my password and stole $500. Be careful. It was fraud. Looks like i will get it back. NIGHTMARE.
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Libra63
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posted on September 12, 2002 10:23:07 PM new
How can you say it was PayPal fraud when someone stole your password. PayPal isn't the one at fault or are they?
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capotasto
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posted on September 13, 2002 04:13:13 AM new
Sounds like you need a tougher password.
Don't use your first name, for example.
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punksushi
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posted on September 13, 2002 04:17:55 AM new
that isnt even fraud.
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throughhiker
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posted on September 13, 2002 06:01:04 AM new
This is not Fraud. Paypal gets enough bad press (some of it deserved) without these false accusations.
Fraud is when someone tricks you into giving them your money which they intend to keep for no product of service.
This guy out and out stole you password and your money. Fine line? Big difference.
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pandorasbox
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posted on September 13, 2002 06:59:57 AM new
Whats all this I keep hearing about PayPal Frog?
How on earth do the little critters manage the keyboard?
Is this part of the new world order?
Frogs + CC gateways = something right out of the Old Testament.
As for me, I'm gonna do like them CD's tell me and "Leave eBay"...jest hope them pesky amphibians don't start pushin' MLM.
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club1man
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posted on September 13, 2002 07:59:37 AM new
Well I just got the impartial arbitrators decision in the mail. PAYPONZI spent 340k to get 14k out of me. What's the percentage on that. About $24 for every dollar WOW that's good business sense. But then again it wasn't their money it was the customers. Now they think it's over,but it's just started. NOW thanks to the court ruling lawyers all over the world are filing suits. The UK, Canada and Germany are just 3. PAYPONZI is now advertising for lawyers that will travel. Also because of this ruling I'll get my day in court. Then I plan to invite them to come to a TEXAS court. We'll so them some go ole TEXAS hospitality.
WONDER HOW MANY MILLIONS THEY WANT TO GIVE THEIR ATTORNEY'S FOR LITTLE OLE ME.
Might be Ebay will change their mind about taking on this dirt bag companies dirty linen.
Remember the First commandment of the internet.
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Libra63
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posted on September 13, 2002 08:47:31 AM new
You know clubman you come in here and say the same things over and over. We understand your delima, but there some of us that have no problem, well as of yet. You have to do what you feel is right as we all do. But you keep coming in and we keep reading the same old thing.
I am sure all credit card companies have the same problem, but most CC companies don't do internet banking so they are safe. Or at least I would not do internet banking because of the possibility of someone hacking into their account and I am sure there are people out there trying. My bank does not allow internet banking and that is fine, but I use paypal which isn't a high ticket item for me. If I was bringing in lots of money I probably would not use PayPal for my transactions. No body is safe these days with all the identity stealing and such.
If everything is on the up and up with you I wish you luck....
[ edited by Libra63 on Sep 13, 2002 08:51 AM ]
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club1man
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posted on September 13, 2002 09:38:32 AM new
Libra63
First thank you for wishing me luck.
I have several reasons for posting. The most important is to make people aware of what PAYPONZI can and will do to them. That way we will not have to wish them luck. I admit my mistake was trusting PAYPONZI. At the time everyone thought they were a bank or affiliated with X.com.
The other is they ruined the life of someone very dear to me, she needs doctors care now and we can't afford it.
I will keep telling people about them and do my best to cost them as much as I can.
These crooks might be providing a service for many people, but when you read about all the people they have hurt, you realize that they are only out to fill their pockets.
Up til now they have spent close to a half a million trying to get 18k out of me. I in turn have cost them several hundred million.
Just one example was the gambling issue. I'll continue because what they did was unjust. I guess as they say "paybacks are hell".
Again thanks for you well wishes and
Remember the First commandment of the internet.
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twelvepole
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posted on September 13, 2002 09:51:50 AM new
Even though this is not fraud on paypal's end, it does remind me how they punish there members then go and look at the facts...
Club1man has posted something down below, I cannot support.
Ain't Life Grand... 
[ edited by twelvepole on Sep 16, 2002 06:26 AM ]
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stopwhining
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posted on September 13, 2002 11:21:05 AM new
how did they hack into your account??with your password??
how did they find out what your password is??
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sanmar
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posted on September 13, 2002 11:34:08 AM new
How can you blame P/P for someone stealing your password? That isn't fraud, it is internet theft & is a Federal Offense. I surly hope you have changed your password. I change mine at least once a year. As for PayPal, I have used them for at least 3 yrs. without a problem. I never leave more than $100.00 in my acct. If I have a largr payment, I immediately have a wire tranfer to my bank acct, (I have a separate acct in a second bank for my business account.) I don't mix funds with my personal expenses. I hear all of these horror stories & wonder why. I think that it isn't all P/P's fault, I think the that you who are screaming may have some fault in this.
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slabholder
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posted on September 13, 2002 12:50:14 PM new
PAYPONZI
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club1man
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posted on September 13, 2002 01:20:43 PM new
That's good how did you do that.
By the way. Another big story today and there's going to be one tomorrow. Could be ebay will decide different. Take notice about the exec's filling their pockets.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2002/09/13/financial1213EDT0069.DTL
[ edited by club1man on Sep 13, 2002 01:20 PM ]
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Libra63
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posted on September 13, 2002 07:26:56 PM new
Well to continue with this non eBay thread I would like to know what paypal did for online gambling that can't be done at any casino whether on the internet or in person.
Sorry about writing this but he comes into this thread and says partial sentences I would like to know the whole story.
I don't know the dreadful story about your friend but with enough guidenance life can straighten out. I know I have been there and now I am back.
When I signed up with paypal I didn't think they were affiliated with a bank in fact I hardly knew anything but the three things I did learn was not to give anyone my password, use my computer, or log into paypal with someone elses computer.
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robertsmithson
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posted on September 13, 2002 07:35:40 PM new
I still love PayPal!
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club1man
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posted on September 13, 2002 08:02:18 PM new
FYI The issue with the gambling is that it was and is illegal. The major credit card companies disallowed gaming funds, but to show how illegal PAYPONZI is the circumvented the rules of the companies they do business with to make a buck. They support pornograph,hate groups and drug dealers. It's about time you looked into who they do business with. SEE http://www.suepaypal.org it's all documented. This thread is about their fraud and the frauded me, so I'll post if I want. All the honest people posting about them are telling the truth. Also the news articles can't all be wrong. Another big story today and there's going to be one tomorrow. Could be ebay will decide different. Take notice about the exec's filling their pockets.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2002/09/13/financial1213EDT0069.DTL
[ edited by club1man on Sep 13, 2002 08:04 PM ]
[ edited by club1man on Sep 13, 2002 08:07 PM ]
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Libra63
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posted on September 13, 2002 09:30:26 PM new
I just went to visit that web site and read the message board, but they won't let me read it until I register. Do you think I want to give them my name - NOT
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club1man
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posted on September 13, 2002 09:40:18 PM new
I really don't think the message board is as important as the information documented on the page.
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twinsoft
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posted on September 13, 2002 10:06:53 PM new
"PayPal insiders will still make huge windfalls from the deal -- including $167 million for PayPal co-founder Elon Musk."
Not to brag or anything but I predicted this long ago after I read a profile on Musk. Now is a good time for him to dump Paypal, one jump ahead of the feds and before eBay shuts it down permanently.
This also explains why Paypal didn't hesitate to rip off thousands of its own customers.
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kinmartin
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posted on September 15, 2002 12:34:29 PM new
ok everyone is right. I do not know who got my password. I am still out $500. Call them every day and no refund.
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club1man
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posted on September 15, 2002 01:23:36 PM new
Kinmartin my advise would be to get in touch with Wolfpopper http://www.wolfpopper.com/ call them at 1-877-370-7703. They have a class action suit against PAYPONZI and may be able to help you.
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stopwhining
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posted on September 15, 2002 01:45:37 PM new
if they are looking into it,it may take sometime to track from the isp address to who is the internet service provider to who did it??
and what proof do they have that he hacked into your account??
was the fund sitting in your paypal account ??if he sent the fund to someone,did you check your log to see if it is recorded??if so,who is the recipient??
did you get a paypal email notice that fund has been sent??
he may hack into your account,but did he change your email addr??
change your password every six months.
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club1man
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posted on September 15, 2002 02:26:29 PM new
Twinsoft
PAYPONZI'S CEO Peter Thief stands to make 170 million, and I wonder if they will also forgive his 130+ million dollar loan?
LOAN AND PLEDGE AGREEMENT
This LOAN AND PLEDGE AGREEMENT (the "Agreement" is made as of September 10, 2001 between Peter Thiel ("Borrower" and PayPal, Inc. ("Lender".
A. Borrower has concurrently herewith executed that certain Full Recourse Secured Promissory Note (the "Note" in favor of Lender in the aggregate amount of One Million Three Hundred Fifty Thousand Dollars and No Cents ($1,350,000).
I thought PAYPONZI was operating in the red at that time??????????????
[ edited by club1man on Sep 15, 2002 02:29 PM ]
[ edited by club1man on Sep 15, 2002 02:34 PM ]
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thchaser200
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posted on September 16, 2002 04:39:05 AM new
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capotasto
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posted on September 16, 2002 05:54:46 AM new
Let's see...
People had trouble opening (or was it transferring funds to) their e-gold account, but they had no trouble opening a paypal account (sounds fishy),
So club1man agrees to accept their funds through paypal and transfer them to e-gold.
Of course club1man must charge a premium to make any money doing this.
Why would people pay more to go through club1man? (fish starting to smell) Do they have something to hide? Does e-gold look too closely at them?
Paypal will not charge back or freeze an account unless there is something wrong or suspicious going on. Yes, they may be mistaken, completely wrong, obdurate, etc. But something kicks this off.
But club1man says nothing is wrong with his customers who are willing to pay a premium simply to avoid setting up an account at e-gold.
Get this fish outta here!
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Coonr
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posted on September 16, 2002 06:16:27 AM new
Also based on what I have read, people could fund their on-line casino account with eGold. I don't see club1man ranting about that.
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club1man
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posted on September 16, 2002 11:23:47 AM new
capotasto
People had no trouble opening an e-gold account, but they required a minimum 3 thousand dollars purchase. Many people could not afford this amount. So myself as well as many other market makers would buy gold in bulk and sell in smaller amounts. My average sale was anywhere from $50 to $1,000. Some what like a company requiring you to buy a hundred loaves of bread and the store resells them. Check out http://e-gold.com . You can open an e-gold account and use it as a payment source or an investment. In the past 6 month a thousand dollars in an e-gold account would have made you about 150 dollars.
COONR e-gold does not accept gambling funds, third parties do. PAYPONZI intentionally circumvented the credit card rule to make money. you lose again
Remember the First commandment of the internet.
[ edited by club1man on Sep 16, 2002 12:54 PM ]
[ edited by club1man on Sep 16, 2002 12:57 PM ]
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uaru
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posted on September 16, 2002 01:09:11 PM new
club1man In the past 6 month a thousand dollars in an e-gold account would have made you about 150 dollars.
Do you think you are talking to people from Mars? Gold prices haven't moved anywhere near your claims in the last 6 months. The only one that would make $150 for a $1,000 e-gold investment is you club1man. Aren't you charging a 15% brokerage fee?
Few like to invest in something when they start out at a guaranteed 15% loss.
You should stick to your usual routine telling everyone that God commands you not to use PayPal. Your e-gold selling scheme belongs somewhere else, maybe a dark alleyway. It doesn't take much to see why you need to be either clueless or a money launderer to invest money with a 15% fee that's held by company that is based on a tiny island in the Caribbean.
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club1man
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posted on September 16, 2002 01:22:17 PM new
In the past 7 months gold has risen app $50 an ounce. So get your facts straight. anyway many people think it's a good investment and they come to me willingly. Also e-gold has offices in Florida as well as Canada.
By the way they don't have the lawsuits against them, like PAYPONZI has. Infact they have a multi million dollar suit against PAYPONZI and they'll win.
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