meadowlark
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posted on March 27, 2003 07:14:40 AM new
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CBlev65252
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posted on March 27, 2003 07:40:09 AM new
http://www.wired.com/news/ebiz/0,1272,58190,00.html
SHAMEFUL! HORRIBLE! CHILDISH! AND SO TOTALLY UN-AMERICAN!
I'm really horrified by this. Grow up and stop making the rest of us look bad.
France, Mexico, Germany and Canada - feel free to bid on any of my auctions.
Cheryl
[ edited by CBlev65252 on Mar 27, 2003 07:42 AM ]
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amber
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posted on March 27, 2003 08:22:22 AM new
That makes me so sad. I am a Canadian seller, but I'm English, any our men are out there right along the U.S. soldiers, losing their lives. Canada is full of English people, also lots of Americans, including my daughter-in-law. Don't people realize that we don't all agree with our government's stands. They only have to look at all the anti-war demonstrations in the U.S. You will NEVER have a situation where everyone agrees. The difference between Sadam Hussein's government and ours, is that ours is democratic. We do have the right to voice our opinions, but don't let us become like the one we are trying to put down, and become intolerant of others.
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fleecies
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posted on March 27, 2003 08:33:57 AM new
I'll be happy to take all those buyers they don't want 
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Twelvepole
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posted on March 27, 2003 08:56:24 AM new
You PC people make me want to puke... 
That seller has a right to sell to whom ever he wants, at least he is taking a stand.
AIN'T LIFE GRAND... 
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Libra63
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posted on March 27, 2003 09:10:46 AM new
I am not standing up for this seller but, if his TOS says that then he should stick by it. There are many US seller that won't sell internationally maybe not for the same reason but just won't sell. Maybe that buyer is just trying to test the waters. He never should have bid in the first place.
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tomwiii
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posted on March 27, 2003 09:17:19 AM new
I REFUSE to ship to gomers, goobers, froggies, and left-handed Tasmanians!
"Nuke Gay Whales for Jesus!"
Ralphie loves Mr Blonde:
"Are you gonna bark all day little doggie, or are you gonna bite?"
http://tinyurl.com/5duz
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jensmome
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posted on March 27, 2003 09:23:31 AM new
Money is money and as long as I get it in US dollars I don't care who sends it. I've had a lot of Canadian winners in the last month. At least one economy isn't in the toilet.
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quatermass
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posted on March 27, 2003 10:01:45 AM new
The seller can refuse to sell to anyone he wants. I applaud them for taking a stand. It's funny that when a Hollywood freak makes a stand nobody says anything about that, but here is an ebay seller refusing to sell to a canadian and the whiners come out in droves and saying stupid things like "it's unamerican." What hogwash!! As a seller I sell to whomever I want, and yes I have a lot of Canadian customers.
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kyms
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posted on March 27, 2003 10:07:20 AM new
Why would this person even bid? The TOS are clear. Politics aside, the seller has the right to refuse to ship outside the US.
Sellers can't be expected to change their TOS just because a bidder wants to pick a fight.
The mean spirited TOS would make me bid elsewhere. The bidder just wants to prove some point.
I don't ship outside the US either (not war related, I just don't want to). Should some irate Canadian camp out in front of my house because they want to bid and I won't allow it?
This is just silly.
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lindajean
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posted on March 27, 2003 11:34:20 AM new
kyms: I finally gave in and started selling internationally because each week I would have two or three people (not picking on you guys, but usually Canadians) who would bid anyway.
I got tired of worrying about getting neutrals or negs once they won for not shipping to them (when I clearly stated "Sorry, but I no longer ship outside the USA" In red letters in my ad. Also, the inconvenience of waiting 10 days to get FVF back.
Now, I just have a very high shipping amount posted for international sales. They apparently read that as I don't have anymore bids from them!
Edited to add:
You guys who want them are welcome to my international bidders. Canadians usually pay promptly, but the rest of the world accounts for 95% of my deadbeats. And, having to wait 6 weeks for items to arrive when they start emailing me in 4 etc.etc.etc. It just wasn't worth it! Nothing political involved.
[ edited by lindajean on Mar 27, 2003 11:36 AM ]
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TomServo92
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posted on March 27, 2003 11:51:27 AM new
I find it interesting that some people tend to overlook that a government's actions don't represent the opinions of all of its citizens. So you say you won't sell to Canadians or Germans because they don't support the US in Iraq? How do you know that good ol' American bidder that just won your auction isn't going out and burning US flags in the street after he Paypals his money to you? There are problably quite a few people in these countries that don't agree with national policies just as we have anti-war demonstrators here.
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bear1949
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posted on March 27, 2003 01:57:42 PM new
It is certainly within a sellers rights not to sell to whom ever he wishes. FOR WHATEVER REASON
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kiara
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posted on March 27, 2003 02:17:53 PM new
For whatever reason?
What if a seller doesn't like people of a certain race? What if he put a little rant on his page and said he wouldn't accept bids from anyone that was of Asian heritage, for example?
Would ebay let it stand?
I agree with what TomServo92 says. Also US citizens are presently residing in different countries all over the world and many are bidding on ebay.
Choosing not to sell internationally is one thing, but getting really political on an auction page shouldn't be allowed.
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Twelvepole
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posted on March 27, 2003 02:27:02 PM new
Kiara, that is apples and oranges there hun,
race is protected under our laws... countries are not... this person whether people think it is right or not, has made a decision to not to sell to certain countries for political reasons...
I am not knocking eBay's right not to allow the auctions with that statement... but he can still sell to whomever he wants, it is his merchandise...
I think the canuck wanted to just make trouble after reading the auction...
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
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trai
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posted on March 27, 2003 02:58:10 PM new
but he can still sell to whomever he wants, it is his merchandise.
So true, however this is not just a single small time seller on ebay, this is a company.
Wonder if they will take this high road when the dust settles in iraq and there are computer tenders out for bid.
I can just see them turning down mega bucks on juicy contracts because of their high "moral" grounds. Yeah, right!
Mixing biz and personal feelings is plain stupid in my book. Wonder why Turkey is not on their hit list as they screwed the u.s. big time with the northern front in iraq.
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kiara
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posted on March 27, 2003 03:26:36 PM new
I was making a point that a seller cannot always choose who he sells to for whatever reason.
Now I am hun ??
Hun:
1. A member of a nomadic pastoralist people who invaded Europe in the fourth and fifth centuries A.D. and were defeated in 455.
2. A barbarous or destructive person.
3. Offensive Slang. Used as a disparaging term for a German, especially a German soldier in World War I.
Which one am I? No need to answer. 
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Twelvepole
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posted on March 27, 2003 04:08:24 PM new
Mixing biz and personal feelings is plain stupid in my book
I don't disagree with you Trai... but some people feel justified... actually the Canucks are one of our best allies... but I still stand by he is allowed to sell to whomever he wants...
Oh Kiara, guess I should of said "Dear" 
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
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clivebarkerfan
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posted on March 27, 2003 04:40:38 PM new
I think if the seller had left it to just "we don't ship outside of the US", everything would be fine. However, to inject a political view to it makes it silly.
And then to stil not sell to the man even though he supplied a US ship to is absurd.
I don't ship outside the US since I can't get to the Post Office to comply with their silly rules. But if a Canadian gives me a US ship to address, I'll gladly take their money.
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shop4shoes
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posted on March 27, 2003 04:58:40 PM new
race is protected under our laws... countries are not...
Creed, religion and national origin are protected in many places...
The company violated Federal statutes. Not shipping out of the country is fine. It is his letter to the guy after he won and provided a U.S. shipping address that is the clincher. "...you are Canadian, and we will not honor your bid or ship to any location for you". Flat out descrimination. I'll bet they get a nasty letter and or visit from a federal agency about this.
[ edited by shop4shoes on Mar 27, 2003 05:05 PM ]
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Twelvepole
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posted on March 27, 2003 05:11:42 PM new
I don't think so; He would if the buyer lived in the US, he does not so I don't think anything will happen... The seller may get a " maybe you shouldn't do that" but nothing more...
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
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shop4shoes
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posted on March 27, 2003 05:36:47 PM new
CompAtlanta has a strong presence on Ebay. We sell a multitude of products that we purchase from several Universities here in Georgia, Including Georgia Tech, University of Georgia, and Georgia State.
Not for long. State agencies are prohibited from doing business with those that discriminate.
I don't think so; He would if the buyer lived in the US, he does not so I don't think anything will happen... The seller may get a " maybe you shouldn't do that" but nothing more...
He will get reamed and good.
In the early 90's, I lived in South Florida. I had a neighbor that sold gadgets through the mail and from a retail front. He was crusty and strange and very bigoted.
His company got an order from Japan. His daughter did not see any problem with the order. She charged the customer's card and had the order ready to ship. When he saw where the order was going he reversed the charges and called up the customer. He told the customer his thoughts on the Japanese and Pearl Harbor. He was stupid enough to leave his rant on the customer's answering machine.
Sometime later he got a call and some papers telling him that he was under investigation for descrimination. I want to say the agency that investigated him was the "Office of Descrimination & Equality Issues" (Maybe someone from South Florida can tell what the name of the agency is). To make a long story short. He got a written reprimand and agreed to pay the customer $200 as a good faith gesture. He also agreed not to engage in anymore discrminatory practices. The agency was to do follow ups. His daughter told me this. I think it was 1991.
PLEASE, If you live in Broward county tell me the name of the agency. I can't remember and it will drive me nuts.
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Twelvepole
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posted on March 27, 2003 06:04:38 PM new
Florida Commission of Human Relations...
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
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fluffythewondercat
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posted on March 27, 2003 06:05:29 PM new
I adore ya, shop4shoes, but you're dead wrong.
Canadians living in Canada are not protected under U.S. Federal law. Not, at least, until we make Canada the 51st state.
If he refused to sell to a U.S. citizen of Canadian origin (that's that "national origin" stuff), then that is discrimination under the law.
Which is not to say that some State Department weasel in charge of sucking up to snotty foreign countries wouldn't get his schnozz out of joint.
If CompAtlanta has anything I need, I won't hesitate to buy from them.
--
"I'm thinking of the immortal words of Socrates, who said `I drank WHAT?'"
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shop4shoes
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posted on March 27, 2003 06:26:05 PM new
You do not need to be a U.S. citized to be protected under federal discrimination law.
My neighbor's customer wasn't a U.S. citizen.
A few months ago a judge ruled in favor of non-citizen baggage handlers at airports. He said banning them from certain airport jobs because they were non-ciizens was unconstitutional.
Florida Commission of Human Relations
Yeah, that, but some shadier branch of it...I think. It had a grandiose name.
This is a link to an earlier case involving non-citizens and discrimination.
http://www.lp.org/press/archive.php?function=view&record=552
[ edited by shop4shoes on Mar 27, 2003 06:32 PM ]
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classicrock000
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posted on March 27, 2003 06:34:57 PM new
I REFUSE to ship to gomers, goobers, froggies, and left-handed Tasmanians!
tomwiii-I agree not shipping to gomers,goobers,froggies,but dont you think not shipping to left-handed Tasmanians is going to far????
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shop4shoes
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posted on March 27, 2003 06:34:58 PM new
I wonder though if this only applies to no-citizens that live in this country????
MMMMMMMMM......
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rustygumbo
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posted on March 27, 2003 06:38:07 PM new
I'm an American, I absolutely oppose the Bush Oil War. I still sell to Americans, French, Canadian, Martian, etc. I might back out of a transaction if George W. Bush came knocking for something I had. Hell, I'd be proud to get a negative from him.
On a side note, the very same Florida judge, Terry Lewis, who ruled against the recount in Florida also ruled against me in court back in 1996 when I went to school at FSU in Tallahassee. My old roommate sued me because I kept his deposit. He left the place in shambles, and scorched the wall in his bedroom b/c his waterbed caught fire. I had pics, witnesses and everything. Judge still ruled in his favor. Crooks I tell ya! Crooks!
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classicrock000
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posted on March 27, 2003 06:45:07 PM new
Now I am hun ??
Hun:
1. A member of a nomadic pastoralist people who invaded Europe in the fourth and fifth centuries A.D. and were defeated in 455.
2. A barbarous or destructive person.
3. Offensive Slang. Used as a disparaging term for a German, especially a German soldier in World War I.
Kiara--ahh dont tell my wife that--I call her that all the time
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uaru
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posted on March 28, 2003 05:25:51 AM new
If a seller wants to decline bidders with more than 4 vowels in there name that's the seller's choice. Unless this was an eBay policy I don't see the reason some are so upset.
I refuse to sell to Indonesians and I don't care if it causes them to get their panties in a knot.
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