posted on April 23, 2003 07:07:20 PM new
I sold a lot of fift Lp's a few weeks ago. Packed them, shipped them and got this today.
"I received the package today. The first seventeen records in your auction listing are missing. Also, you included 32 copies of the same record, mentioned nowhere in your ad, Josh Patrick's Talkin' To Me. Do you have the missing records?"
I know all the records were there, they are not here... plus, I've never heard of the record or artist that he claims he now has 32 of... I never had one, let alone 32.
I checked on the other auctions he bid on but did not find anything close to a lot of fifty... He has strong good feedback.
posted on April 23, 2003 07:13:04 PM new
The person could have won the items from a non-ebay auction site and confused them with your auction. Something's definitely rotten in Denmark though.
posted on April 23, 2003 08:41:34 PM new
This is a tough one. I suppose even if he took a picture of the 32 duplicates, that wouldn't mean they'd come in your shipment. Hmmm. Someone smarter than I am will have the perfect answer for you here.
posted on April 23, 2003 09:07:20 PM new
Seventeen and 32 = 49 not 50. He probably bought a lot of 30+ LP records
from someone or somewhere else. Or a "gift" from someone maybe.
Else someone in between switched them for whatever reason. Or he hasn't
received your package yet but thinks he has and the box he has is something
else yet. Which brings us back to my first thought above.
posted on April 24, 2003 05:08:20 AM new
He just followed up with this...
"Tomorrow, I will write out which albums were included and take a
digital picture to send to you.
The return address is Kyms xxxx West xxxx, Chicago, IL 606xx-xxxx. (my address)
The Josh Patrick record is a 12" single. I played one. Its a club
dance kind of record."
This is not possible! I never had a single one of the 32 Josh Patrick 12" records and swear to God we sent the correct number of records and the correct titles. What can I do now? I don't want to think this good bidder is a scam artist but I am positive that he is either mistaken, a lier or just plain crazy. Is it possible that someone at USPS opened the package on replaced the contents with something else? That seems very hard to believe.
posted on April 24, 2003 07:11:04 AM new
Ask the buyer if he / she still has the package the records came in. Your return address or some return address should be on it.
You might want to suggest to the buyer that you could fill out a form 1510 (mail loss/rifling) with the post-office. If it WAS a postal employee that did a switchero (which I agree is quite unlikely)... maybe the investigation would uncover it. If not... maybe just the idea of an investigation for a federal crime of mail fraud might cause this guy's problem to disappear. Hope that helps!
posted on April 24, 2003 07:59:37 AM new
sounds like a cute guy,playing the LP.
call him up and chat with him,is he single,are you single??
let us know if there is romance in the air!!
posted on April 24, 2003 08:09:35 AM new
some men are old fashion,they dont know how to appraoch a woman,so they stay home and order some LP and wish there is a woman in their life to share their interest and it sounds like you may be the one.
dont be shy,make the first move,call him
posted on April 24, 2003 08:58:14 AM new
I looked up the DC # and it was delivered last night. He claims the address is mine and I have no real reason to doubt him... I just filed a complaint with the Postal Inspectors and emailed him the case number... I also told him I would send that form to him.
Still no answer. I called his house and he is still sleeping... I'll keep you posted.
UPDATE:
I just spoke to the bidder. He says that 20 records are missing, but the numbers he gives are 2-18 on my list. He says he has 32 of one Lp, but that Lp is a homeade single with white lables. I sent none of these, I have never had one to send.
Bidder thinks I mispacked the package. That may seem possible if there were not 32 records I have never seen inside. I think I'd remember having 32 of any one item.
I am just baffled.
Now the bidder wants me to come up with all missing records. I don't have them, I sent them to him.
I feel I've done all I can. Do you think I need to issue a refund? That seems really unfair. I would be out 50 records as well as bid price and shipping. Even when the DC slip shows it was delivered. I know for a fact I never had these 32 hand made records and that we packed correctly, all fifty of them. I can't send someone something I don't own....
[ edited by kyms on Apr 24, 2003 11:18 AM ]
posted on April 24, 2003 02:30:58 PM new
Now he tells me that he looked very close at the box and that someone cut all the postage marks, DC slip, address etc off my box, pasted them on a plain white box, (I shipped in an Orgill Box with lots of markings) and replaced 17 of my Lp's with 32 disco singles, all the same title.
He says he will keep the box and everything for the inspectors but feels funny about getting involved in this...
I find all of this very hard to believe. Should I just refund and be done with it?
posted on April 24, 2003 02:48:38 PM new
something smells fishy!!
i would not refund and let him deal with the usps postal inspector.
i dont think anyone within usps has tempered with your package,i think this guy is a weirdo!!!!!
let the post office deals with him.
posted on April 24, 2003 04:34:17 PM new
Let's see...Ahh..Yeah. You shipped in a brown box. He received it in a
different sized white box.
You shipped 50 LPs. He received 32 Disco Singles and 17 of first 18 LPs
you are pretty sure you sent minus number one. Was good ole numero uno
something desirable? While the other 2 thru 18 so-so as far as a collector
would think. And then the last 32 possibly be special or valuable? Was the
original box marked Fragile LP Records? Maybe? Elvis Memorabilia?
It's quite possible this guy is on the receiving end of some scam or maybe
a prank that happened between your post office and his front porch. He told
you what he sees and I'm thinking he might be as baffled as you are as to
how this happened. I'd let the postal inspectors deal with this one.
I'd love to know how this turns out. You know what you shipped and he
seems to know what he got. And with your original Labels on the new box
It sounds like someone swapped the stuff around. I wouldn't refund until the
postal inspectors declared their findings. I'm sure at that point they'll have
some good info and it won't be your fault. And maybe they'll even have paid
the insurance on it then anyway.
posted on April 24, 2003 06:26:53 PM new
Yes the box was marked Fragile/Records but contained no really good stuff and the PO tells us we need to write that on the box.... All 1980's garbage. Thriller, Human League... that kind of stuff. The missing records are all dime a dozen stuff. Hardly worth anyone stealing. And if someone would swipe a package full of records, why add more records? Why not just keep the entire box? This is so crazy.
posted on April 24, 2003 06:46:36 PM new
he is trying to make the case more plausible by spinning a story of being tempered with .
instead of feeding him more fuel ,best is to leave the case to usps inspector.
there has to be better things to do than to speculate why he did what he did.
he may have past success with other sellers who sell so much they dont recall what they really shipped.
posted on April 24, 2003 07:42:31 PM new
You are really nice to be going to all of this trouble for the guy...like personally calling him after you filed the claim. I feel bad for you, this sounds like a mess! Who's to say he did'nt pull the switch himself? Maybe HE had an overstock of this album and thought he could get away with the big switch. He was probably hoping you would just refund his money and be done with it. Sounds like he's trying to take advantage of you. As Roadsmith said, what's the point of him taking a picture to email you? He probably does have the 32 bootleg albums he states ( that proves nothing) and taking a picture of them means nothing as far as your case goes. ANYONE can take a picture of anything they have and say This is what WAS in the box you sent me". I mean, the box has been opened. He can send you a picture of the box...of the albums...of himself... of himself holding the box and the albums.....of his dog holding the albums.....it means nothing now. I would definately wash my hands of it, you did what was best and turned it over to the postal inspectors. YOU know you did nothing wrong, you can not figure out what happened, move on and don't lost sleep over it. If he did nothing wrong, he will be compensated through the claim process.
I would NOT refund his money. Let us know what happens.
posted on April 24, 2003 08:09:46 PM new
many years ago when i first graduated out of college with a liberal arts degree,i spent many days visiting employment agencies asking them to find me a job,any job.
one day ,a woman/man arrived wearing a pulldown knitcap,a plaid skirt and a man raincoat with a pair of bobby socks and man shoes.
he claimed he is a woman and he can type so he wants a secretary job.
the agent was very polite and treated him with coutesy ,gave him a form to fill out and then told me they would never send him out anywhere ,they are not stupid.
posted on April 25, 2003 12:42:47 PM new
tell him the postmaster needs a date and time when they can come to his house for a deposition and to photograph the evidence, I'll bet you never hear from him again.
posted on April 25, 2003 01:42:58 PM new
I kinda have a different take on this. Obviously, he's going to know you know it was delivered, so if he's a scammer, he'd have to come up with another story.
On the other hand, the story he came up with just seems too weird to be made up.
Can you get him to send you pictures of the white box? Was the box stamped or metered? I don't believe you can cut a metered postage mark off one box and attach it to another, so if the white box actually has postage on it, and the postage is cancelled, that lends credence to the buyer's position.
Either way, it's kinda moot .... either someone else ripped him off or he's trying to rip you off. You know you didn't ship the wrong mdse, so refunding is probably out of the question.
posted on April 25, 2003 07:07:24 PM new
I filled out the 1510 form today and sent it to him with a copy od the DC Slip & Postage Paid Envelope. He will file it or we will not even begin to talk about refunds.
I spent all day Thursday pondering this one, the bidder can deal with it. I have proof of delivery and frankly I think my butt is covered. If the PO tells me the box was tampered with I will issue a partial refund ans split the loss with him, otherwise I'll just take a neg and move on.
The entire thing is too twilight zone for me to think about. Let the USPS deal with it.
posted on April 25, 2003 07:28:09 PM new
NEVER - REPEAT NEVER indicate the contents of a box on the outside of it, unless required by law.
Marking the box as to; Fragile, Do Not Bend, Do Not Freeze, Etc; is all that is needed.
Why give the scumbags of the world, a shopping list. USPS, UPS, FED-EX, DHL, etc; are suppose to be a common carrier service, NOT a smorgsboard for thieves and other %@$#@$%$#$^.
posted on May 3, 2003 03:28:19 PM new
I had buyer who bought a lens filter from me. I listed it as in "Near Perfect Condition". I am very anal about selling things and making sure everything is accurate. I am a photographer, and I can guarantee you that I would be pretty upset if I got something like this guy claimed to have received from me. He claimed the filter arrived and had a permanent finger print on the glass, that the ring had dents and scratches on it, blah, blah, blah... He even went as far as telling me he took it into a Professional Camera Store and they told him that it was in "good" condition at best. He demanded a refund. I called his bluff, and told him that I would gladly refund the payment after I receive the filter back and inspected it. I explained to him that I mark each filter in a way that only I know where the marking was. It's been 2 months now, and I haven't heard back from him. Moral of the story is... If you are a hard working and honest seller, you know what you sent. Make him jump through the hoops of filing fraud and insurance claims. It is his ass on the line if the government finds that he was lying.
Also, if he paid via Paypal, and tries to force a chargeback, he will lose, provided you have the delivery confirmation info, and it was shipped within 7 days of his payment. I've been on the buying and selling side of this with paypal. I received chargeback attempts, and squash each and every one with proof of delivery. Here is the only catch being a buyer though. If the seller can provide proof of delivery, Paypal will rule in their favor. Even if the box was empty on arrival. Why? Because Paypal doesn't guarantee the product, they just guarantee the delivery.
posted on May 3, 2003 05:05:08 PM new
Rustygumbo, you are right.
I sent a radio to a winner last year, neat and clean but untested.
He emailed me that it was dusty and dirty and didn't work....
Well if it didn't work that's his problem, but if it was dusty and dirty then I told him it wasn't the one I sent him and I would do nothing about it.
Goddam switch artists...
