kasue
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posted on May 7, 2003 07:04:26 PM new
I have gone crazy buying charms. I prefer older ones, but new is just fine as long as I know they are new when I am buying them. I believe over 90% of the charm sellers on Ebay right now are calling brand spankin' new charms "Vintage". This is crap and they know it. "Vintage Style" is closer to the truth. Is there any way to get Ebay to crack down on this? I hate to be cheated, and I hate almost as much to see others cheated. There is no point in emailing sellers and asking as too often the answer is vague and evasive.
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Libra63
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posted on May 7, 2003 08:49:21 PM new
I think this is a problem with other catagories also. We just talked about listing new jewelry or reproduction jewelry in the vintage area. I think when they put vintage in the title it draws more buyers but it just clutters up the catagory. Ebay doesn't employ enough people to scan through all the auctions so it is easier to let it go. They don't have to worry about the fakes sold on eBay as Vero does that for them. But there is nobody to do that in the jewelry catagories.
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auctionace
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posted on May 7, 2003 10:30:39 PM new
Ebay is just a venue ( or so they use to say ).
You hear these same things at flea markets. Sellers lying their asses off with words like vintage, antique, rare, etc. The flea markets could care less and the same with ebay. Ebay preaches " Buyer Beware ".
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CBlev65252
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posted on May 8, 2003 03:44:28 AM new
Some of what I sell is vintage style. So, in the title I will put vintage style, but will list it in contemporary jewelry. If you see the word style in the heading you can almost be certain it's contemporary.
The one thing I have to force myself to remember is that Ebay is a selling venue. Sellers are sellers and are trying to get you to buy their wares any way they can.
Cheryl
http://mygallery.timegonebuy.com/customer/kcskorner/kcskorner.html?
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ahc3
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posted on May 8, 2003 08:23:40 AM new
Ever hear a phrase called Caveat Emptor? It goes back a couple of thousand years. It still applies today, ebay ain't gonna crack down when it would cost them money. Yes, they will remove illegal items, but the word vintage is a subjective one. It's up to the buyer to know the difference. They are not going to remove an item or items for sale when it doesn't break any of their rules, and this one doesn't.
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stopwhining
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posted on May 8, 2003 08:35:40 AM new
misuse of vintage is nothing compared to the 1000 years old archaic relics on ebay,some dealer even issue certificate of authenticity.
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kasue
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posted on May 8, 2003 09:58:31 AM new
Guys, when YOU'RE the buyer, it is a BIG deal. Brand new is not "vintage" by any stretch of the imagination.
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kasue
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posted on May 8, 2003 10:00:52 AM new
Cheating someone is cheating someone no matter how inexpensive an item it is.
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ahc3
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posted on May 8, 2003 10:05:20 AM new
Why can't something be brand new and vintage? Some time ago I sold a transistor radio from the 1950's - It was never used, in its original packaging. It was brand new AND vintage. Again, it is a case of buyer beware. Ebay won't remove listings because it uses the word vintage and it does not fall within your definition. When you see these exaggerated descriptions, you should hit the back button on your browser.
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eauctionmgnt
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posted on May 8, 2003 10:11:20 AM new
One of the beautiful things about the English language is how so many words have SO many different definitions. Before you start attacking the use of a word in a description... it is probably best that you understand all these different definitions. For example, one of the definitions of vintage is:
adj. 2. Characterized by excellence, maturity, and enduring appeal; classic.
Source: The American HeritageŽ Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Notice that NOTHING in this definition dates the object in any given time period. It is only necessary for something to have the qualities of excellence, maturity, and enduring appeal. Something that MANY new pieces certainly have because they are copying those characteristics from older pieces.
So... while the average person may associate vintage as being the same as old... they are certainly not synonyms. Please understand the meaning of a word before you start shouting "cheat", "liar" and "fraud".
edited for typo
[ edited by eauctionmgnt on May 8, 2003 10:12 AM ]
[ edited by eauctionmgnt on May 8, 2003 10:13 AM ]
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kasue
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posted on May 8, 2003 11:44:38 AM new
In what way does "maturity" pertain to something new? There is absolutely no reason NOT to put in "Vintage-Like" or "Vintage-Style" other than to deceive. No reason.
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eauctionmgnt
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posted on May 8, 2003 12:02:13 PM new
Again... to answer your question... just look at a Dictionary! A definition of maturity is:
noun 1.a The state or quality of being fully grown or developed. (same source as before)
A new item can most certainly have maturity! Just off the top of my head... take a copy of Macintosh OS 9.2.2. This is by no means an OLD product ( a year or two at most). BUT Apple computers has announced that they will not do any further updates to this operating system. That means that a copy of Macintosh OS 9.2.2 would have maturity, because it is a fully developed as it will ever be. If someone had a copy of this product they could certainly sell it as a Vintage operating system (even though it is still in use on many modern machines!). Especially since it also achieves the qualifications of Excellence and enduring appeal ;^) (in my opinion as a die-hard mac fan anyhow!)
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stopwhining
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posted on May 8, 2003 12:08:23 PM new
i would think a saavy collector of vintage items can tell if the item is vintage or not.
if not,keep it around and it will be vintage.
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kasue
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posted on May 8, 2003 12:12:17 PM new
That would not apply to a charm or any other type of jewelry. There is no "developing" to jewelry. Sounds like splitting hairs to justify ripping people off to me.
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eauctionmgnt
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posted on May 8, 2003 12:20:45 PM new
kasue,
I'm no expert at Jewelry... but aren't some pieces discontinued? If so... those pieces have met their full development (no more to be produced). Therefore... even though someone could have New ones left... they could be accurately described as VINTAGE. Just because sellers are not using the definitions that you are used to... does not mean that their choice of words is incorrect. Vague adjectives (like vintage) should never be used as the sole influence on whether or not an item should be purchased. Use common sense and ASK sellers for the age of a piece if it is not listed!
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