clivebarkerfan
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posted on May 21, 2003 12:45:21 PM new
My grandmother had very interestng taste in decorating the house. Below are two photos of the lamps she had in the living room and bedroom since as long as my dad can remember. My questions are:
1. What is the style that these would be called? Elizabethan, renaissance, or???
2. anyone have a clue on a mfg? I actually took one apart and there's no marks. I'm guessing they're from japan but am interested in if anyone has seen these before.
3. I have he original shades (they look like the one in the photo) but they are ripping due to the age. Should I throw them awy, or put them in the auction?
Thanks in advance!
By they way...the one on the far right of the first shot is the same as the far left of the second. It was a lamp and was turned into just a statue. The one with the shade is missing an arm, so I'm not too concerned about that one.
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Libra63
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posted on May 21, 2003 01:21:03 PM new
I can't think of the name, but your lamps are from the twenties. I want to say Corday but I am not sure. They not only made lamps but they just made the statue's like your lamp 2nd from the right. The statue's are expensive as I think they are $90.00 dollars each and the ones that I saw for that price were not pristine. The lacy part gets brittle and will break easy. I am sure the lamps would be higher. Your lamps are gorgeous and I wish I had them. Good Luck with them.
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Libra63
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posted on May 21, 2003 01:30:36 PM new
Okay I found what I was looking for.
"The Cordey China Company was founded in 1942 in Trenton NJ, by Boleslaw Cybis. The operation was small with less than a dozen workers. They produced figurines, vases, lamps and similar wares. Though the earlier wares were made of plaster, soon he developed his own formula for porcelain composition which he called Papka. Cordey figurines and busts were characterized by old-world charm. Rococo scrolls, delicate floral appliques, rulles and real lace which was dipped in liquified clay to add dimension and charm.
This is from the 1996 Schroeders Antique Guide page 137. It also gives prices from the bust $65.00, Full Figure $175.00 and Lamps $150. Remember this book is 8 years old.
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clivebarkerfan
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posted on May 21, 2003 01:34:49 PM new
does it say that the lamps would be marked? In the second photo, the second from the right (the bust) I took apart and there's no marks at all. Thanks for all of the info!
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auctionace
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posted on May 21, 2003 04:32:39 PM new
Price guides are kind of misleading. There is a guide that lists a Miss Piggy ceramic piggy bank at $90 but the going rate on ebay is less than $10. Ebay has crushed a lot of markets over the years. Also the number of people collecting certain older collectibles are dwindling day by day.
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clivebarkerfan
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posted on May 21, 2003 05:01:59 PM new
I;m not as much concerned about prices as I am about making sure I put these in the right category and include the right info about them. They will sell for what they sell for and I just don't have the time to try to sell them off eBay. I just need to clean out this house so there's room for our stuff!
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Libra63
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posted on May 21, 2003 07:50:19 PM new
Continuing the story from the Schroeder Antique guide---
Although on rare occasions some items were not numbered or signed. The 'basic'figure was cast both with numbers and the Cordey signature. The molded pieces were than idividually decorated and each marked with its own impressed identification number as well as a mark to indicate the artist~decorator. Their numbering system began with 200 and in later years progressed into the 8000s. As can best be established Cordey continued production until sometime in the mid`1950s.
Try looking at another one, like the one that is missing the arm and see if he is numbered. If he is his number might be #5043
I hope this helps......
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clivebarkerfan
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posted on May 21, 2003 08:06:18 PM new
The one armed man (now dubbed the fugitive) is signed twice with the Corday signature and has 5041 written in pen or paint. Under that is 15.
The one I had already taken apart does't have a signature but does have 426A written into the clay/porcelain.
I seem to recall the lone arm roamig around here, I'll have to find it and see if it's repairable.
Thanks so much for your help!!
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kiara
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posted on May 21, 2003 08:14:11 PM new
Your lamps are beautiful and if you check the completed auctions on ebay you will see a few. If you find the arm it could be repaired. Most of the time it is the fingers that get damaged. Good luck with them, I think you should do really well with them all.
Shipping them will be fun. 
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clivebarkerfan
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posted on May 21, 2003 08:31:36 PM new
I'm dreading the shipping! I've purposely been putting off selling htese because of it. Thy've been in our closet and my girlfriend is getting annoyed since her stuff is in the second bedroom because of them.
Well, just another thing to learn and master in the world of eBay
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rarriffle
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posted on May 22, 2003 02:26:52 AM new
collectors of these will not mind the shipping cost...make sure you mention the condition of the lace...items with the applied lace (and this has its own name but i cannot remember) is a collectible area of its own.
they are beautiful.
as far as the shades go, some people, especially decorators, look for the old shades and redo them, so don't throw them away. anything is worth at least one try at selling them.
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Libra63
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posted on May 22, 2003 05:19:13 AM new
I agree with rariffle don't get rid of the shades. I think the shades on these lamps are an unusual shape. So I would sell them with the lamps as shades can be redone. The lamp shade makers, crafters, look for old shades so that they can put the silk back on and decorate them with beads and fringe. New shades don't have all the metal on them.
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cherishedclutter
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posted on May 22, 2003 06:23:29 AM new
It's probably not really accurate, but I see these things called Victorian - you may want to say Victorian style. I'd suggest putting them in the Collectibles lamp category.
Good luck.
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lurkyloo
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posted on May 22, 2003 08:07:42 PM new
With the powdered hair and especially the garment "the fugitive" is wearing, I'd say he and the busts with hats are more Georgian in period (late 1700's). The lady with the high-waisted gown with lavender trim looks like the Regency period (around 1810's). The lady who is pictured twice and the hatless busts could be Victorian, I guess, but I'm not sure. If I needed an expert opinion about clothing period, I would seek out the drama department/costume shop of a university, or the costumer of an opera company or play house.
Good luck with these! They're very pretty and look like they're in excellent condition!
Not lurkyloo on eBay
[ edited by lurkyloo on Jun 17, 2003 01:56 PM ]
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smenkveld
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posted on May 22, 2003 09:31:39 PM new
When you wrap these up to ship wrap the lace up with lots of toilet paper then use the bubble wrap. That way the bubble wrap won't snag on the lace and break it when the buyer unwraps it.
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clivebarkerfan
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posted on June 23, 2003 02:10:37 PM new
ok...I sold two of the lamps! The really lacy Heirlooms of Tomorrow one without the lamp and the female with the off the shoulder dress in the second photo. I REFUSE TO DO THIS AGAIN!
First one went perfect. Buyer didn't want the base, so packing it was easy. For the second, she wanted the lamp, figurine and shade. So I pack up the shade separately since it's old and delicate. Buyer says she's reselling it and $11.00 for shipping both is too much (via UPS). Wants it packed in one box. So, I hunt down another box (this one is huge with lots of extra space since I had to base the size on the diamter of the shade and costs about 1/2 of the value of the lamp). As I start unpacking the lamp to put the shade on, it falls and breaks both arms. So, I emailed buyer and we shall see how mad she is.
GRRRRRR! Time to find a buyer in the area! If not, I put the others in with the garage sale stuff for next month.
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CBlev65252
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posted on June 23, 2003 02:14:56 PM new
clivebarkerfan
That's too bad. I hate packing and shipping anything breakable. I am on pins and needles until I now it arrived safely. Accidents happen and hopefully your buyer will understand. I once bid and won an very unique item that I was extremely excited about. Then, the seller emailed me to let me know her home had been broken into and it was stolen. I got over it.
Cheryl
My religion is simple, my religion is kindness.
--Dalai Llama
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Roadsmith
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posted on June 23, 2003 11:07:22 PM new
That's too bad about the breakage! I have to say that three times in recent weeks I've sold something for a lot (for me, $75 + is a lot). Breakable, of course. For each shipment I have wakened in the middle of the night in a sweat over whether I packed it securely enough and did I cut corners anywhere. No problem at the other end. But it does make me nervous.
Recently I bought a McCoy cookie jar at a thrift shop. The lid had been broken and reglued, so I talked the clerk down on the price. Got it home, the clerk had packed it insecurely, and the lid slid right off and broke into a hundred little pieces, too many to ever glue together. A real loss. From now on, I am the one who will pack breakables I'm buying that can bring a good amount! Live and learn, right? Every day there's something new to stuff into my head!
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Libra63
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posted on June 24, 2003 12:00:28 AM new
Soon roadsmith you will need a larger hat. No really this board gives you a wake up call every now and again as to what can happen and usually does.
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Roadsmith
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posted on June 24, 2003 08:00:07 AM new
Libra, how true. It's dizzying sometimes how much there is to learn just in the collectibles category. Frightening!
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