posted on August 15, 2003 09:31:14 PM new
If you have three NPB's, ebay kills your account right? I am asking because I am wondering if there is some time frame these three NPB's must fall in. Like, can you have 2 one year, then be a dutiful bidder/payer the next year, and still get naru'd for one more the following year?
posted on August 15, 2003 10:11:53 PM new
What if the bidder bid on 3 of your auctions and didn't pay for any of them and you file on all 3 do they get nurd or do they have to come from 3 dealers.
posted on August 15, 2003 10:18:08 PM new
Hmmmm,,,,how do you know you are number 3? As far as non paying Buyers,,,,,and that is truly what they are. Bidding has nothing to do with e bay. They placed an order for a product. You sold it, packed it, weighed it, Gave them the figures and heard NOTHING back! All that for NOTHING! And We lost money and e bay STILL collected.
Nail everyone of them! And Don't bother with the Negative feed back baloney. They will just come back and STAB you! Once you hit that final NPB circus of hoops button, that SHOULD be a lock on any further involvement with them. BUT thanks to e bay not giving us the touted safe guards, They can come right back and spout all kinds of lies in feed back.
posted on August 15, 2003 11:00:11 PM new
NativeAmerican...The NPB'S must come from three different sellers. They can stiff you on 10 auctions and you can file on all of them, but it only counts as one black mark. The same as feedback.
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posted on August 16, 2003 07:27:47 AM new
Jack, you are right. I am not "sure" I am number 3, but she does have 2 other complaints for NPB from last year. But whether the sellers actually filed for them or not, I dont know.
You know at first I wasn't very good at filing NPB's and it seemed alot of hassle on 30-50 cents, whatever it was - I only had one or two on small items, but even still, I couldnt keep track of the waiting days etc.
I guess that was a disservice to other sellers but I had not thought of that at
the time.
McJane, thanks. I do feel bad because it may be a simple oversight or something? Most of her FB is pretty good for this year. I will give it a few more days grace period. It is just today at 10 days EOA. (Only problem is she has not responded to any emails, or payment reminders.)
WTF?? I just looked at my FB, and she leaves, "great transaction!! A+++"
She has not paid for the friggin thing! How could she not know that??????? Now, I am pizzed.
(and for all you smart sellers, Yes, I committed the seller cardinal sin, I shipped pre-payment. But I was going away for a few days and figured i'd get it out on good faith.....Now I gotta admit to all of youse I got burnt and am a dummy.)
I'M SCREWED, RIGHT???
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posted on August 16, 2003 08:00:37 AM new
It was reported on the OTWA boards by ebay Live attendees that there is a rolling 18 month period for the 3 NPBs much like a persons driving record. The NPB will scroll off the ebay record after 18 months.
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posted on August 16, 2003 08:57:24 AM new
The ebayers at the classes at Orlando ebay Live said they grilled the ebay instructors in the classes about feedback, NPBs, PayPal and other subjects. One of the revealations they got was that the 3 NPB rule had a rolling 18 month window similar to a driving record at the Motor Vehicles Departmant.
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posted on August 16, 2003 09:16:50 AM new
Your first mistake was sending the items before you were paid for them. I'd pull her contact info and call her. Couldn't hurt. If I'd received items prior to paying for them, I may think I paid and forgot that I had. But then, what do you want from a blond? If you still get no satisfaction from phoning her, leave the negs, file the NPBA and move on. Best advice I can give.
Cheryl
Power to the people. Power to the people, right on. - John Lennon
posted on August 16, 2003 09:24:37 AM new
Thanks, Cheryl. I knew it was a gamble, but I did it anyway because I wasn't sure if I'd be back in four or five days.
posted on August 16, 2003 09:43:30 AM new
In 6,000 or 7,000 auction transactions I've sent the item before payment in only a few rare cases. I remember once sending a Merle Haggard autographed item to a lady that needed it right away for a birthday present for her husband. No problems with the few items I sent early but I would hate to see an item get lost in the mail and then try to get the payment for it.
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posted on August 16, 2003 04:44:59 PM new
neroter,,,,YES! I saw where she gave you the great feed back. Please read my IDEA again. Perfect timing!(sorry you have been burned however). You got a GREAT rave from a customer. Imagine having 96 feed backs sitting there to give,,,,,,pretty tough act to juggle,,you see a great feed back SO,,,,,,,,,,you just return the favor with your sparkling feed back....NOOOOOOOOOOOO,,,,,,,it was her!!!!!!oops,,,,,too late,,,,,,,Now, if your feed back page had been WEEDED out,,,,,,Those could be and Should be delete buttons are a managing tool.....
posted on August 16, 2003 05:12:14 PM new
Replay ... it was several prominent posters over there at OTWA that posted the info. I think they are trying to justify the cost of going to Ebay Live by showing off what they gleamed at the conference. Many of the ebayers at the conference were very irate that the ebay rules are so vague and they got a lot of the info out of the class instructors.
Doesn't it make a heck of lot more of sense that it is a moving 18 month average rather than a seven years on ebay and youre third NPB gets you permanetly tossed? Imagine the DMV not erasing the tickets after three years? " Let's see thats your seventh speeding ticket and it looks like prison " says the cop to the 63 year old driver that started driving 45 years ago.
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posted on August 16, 2003 09:15:14 PM new
Actually, Ace, unless there is a really good reason for not paying; if its done more than 3 times in a lifetime - why should they let one carry on?
So what then, you pay when you feel like it?
And every once in while go deadbeat because you can?
I am sure everyone's who buys has had buyer's regret, but probably still honors their winning bid. I have.
If these people do it once, ok, twice,...well..starting to look sh**y.
Three times, NO.
It says all over the place your bid is your contract, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. If somebody doesnt understand that after the 2nd time of welshing, (welching?) they shouldn't be allowed to bid.
Its disruptive.
posted on August 16, 2003 09:39:18 PM new
Three times is bad alright but what if it was a user that started using ebay in 1996? Thre speeding tickets is very bad but even the Motor Vehicles Depatments and insurance companies let them drop off after three years.
Ebay loves it's 61.7 million users numbers ( year 2002 ) too much to lose a few million per year because of old NPBs.
I agree with you that they should be booted after the third NPB but the greed-meisters at ebay apparently badly want their Enron-like numbers.
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posted on August 17, 2003 07:57:57 AM new
At least the insurance companies charge you a big fat surcharge for getting the tickets. And it is some incentive not get another ticket.
Now there's a novel idea.
What do you think, Jack?
Could Ebay find a way to penalize NPB'rs where it hurts?
posted on August 17, 2003 08:13:31 AM new
but if the id is just for buying and no selling,so what it has been naru'd??
can he just register a new id ??
posted on August 17, 2003 08:50:51 AM new
So this bidder has a run of bad luck after winning a couple of auctions... but in the next 2 years they are perfect...
...now they miss one more, they should be Naru'd? I don't think so... sh*t happens and in business more times than people like.
posted on August 17, 2003 11:39:14 AM new
dodo: You are correct about that, but I am sure in that vast ebay database somewhere they could easily matchup records if they wanted to.
twelve: What is a run of bad luck in auctions?? I dont get that at all. Do you mean paying for stuff and finding out it was crap? If so, thats the chance ya take.
And yeah, sh** does happen all the time, but I think alot of sellers (and maybe I am wrong) give winning bidder's alot of room with excuses and extensions.
Its kinda like how many times can you claim bankruptcy and still get credit??
posted on August 17, 2003 11:45:55 AM new
Over your lifetime you can claim bankrupty as many times as you need to... it goes away after 7-10 years and you do not have to report that on a credit app.
posted on August 17, 2003 12:48:43 PM new
Okay, twelve, so let somebody buy a truckload of merchandise off your credit arm; then wait in line to see if you ever get paid after the bancrupcy.
The point is, you dont get to use credit again during those 7-10 years - unless your willing to pay 30% or some other ridiculous percentage, so there is a penalty for it.
posted on August 17, 2003 01:41:19 PM new
I think ebay favors the buyers over the sellers for some strange reason. Maybe because sellers are a dime a dozen and buyers are what actually brings the sellers to ebay in the first place. EVERY auction site needs buyers or else they are considered a dead site with only a few sellers buying amongst themselves. That can be the only rationale that I can come up with as to why ebay pampers the buyers and treats the sellers like crap ( except the powersellers maybe ). "
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If you still get no satisfaction from phoning her, leave the negs, file the NPBA and move on. Best advice I can give.
